SAT tests, what the hell?

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Would someone care to explain them to me? What's SAT I and SAT II? Whatever the difference is, I can't take them both on the same day. Do you have to take SAT II? How does it work? I can't find a satisfying answer online. Thank you in advance for your wonderful assistance.

Ally, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What the hell is this? Like a test of whether you can sit properly? I used to get called shuffle-bottom by my primary school teacher so I would probably fail.

N., Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The SAT I .is the regular old SAT everybody knows. A huge number of multiple-choice questions, 50% Math and 50% Verbal. The SAT II's are special subject-specific tests (Biology, English, Physics, etc) with multiple choice and essay questions. Most American schools required you to take either the ACT or the SAT (I), some require you to take one or more of the SAT II tests. It depends on the school. Never took an SAT II, but the ACT and the SAT I are both ridiculusly easy tests

fletrejet, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I got a perfect score on the verbal section of the SAT. I just wanted to brag about that.

Sean, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

when i was consdioering going to madison i go 1450 on both .

anthony, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

So is this where we're supposed to brag about what we got on the SATs? (I got a 1470, with most of that in the verbal section; but then I had to look up how to spell "supposed", so it just goes to show that the SATs don't test anything but how good you are at taking tests. Still, it got me into college, so that's cool.)

Dan I., Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And what, by the way, is the standardized testing situation over there in England? Do you have a test analogous to the SATs?

Dan I., Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nope. We have exms in partiocular subjects: GCSEs at 16 and A-levels at 18.

RickyT, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A-levels are the things that determine your entire life-career-arc in Britain, if I'm not mistaken.

* googles *

O no I'm wrong; it's "class" that does that.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bragging about your SAT score is so freshman year.

Dan Perry, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, no, no, the reason I'm asking this is because, as a high school drop out, I never took an SAT. I now, at age 21 (22 when I take the test), have to. I WILL BE THE MRS. ROBINSON OF THE SAT TESTING CENTER!!!

What are these other tests you speak of? ACT? Do I have to take that too? Bloody hell.

Ally, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah.. well I got an 800 on the maths when I was 14....

there were loads of people i went to college w/ that had perfects on one or the other section, and i know about 3 people who had perfect 1600s. a lot of kids do really well on the SATII math test too.

that being said, i don't really know how many people perfomed on the GREs - which was the most stressful test taking experience of my life. mostly because of it being given on the computer, unable to skip questions, and getting your score the second you hit "submit". yikes!

marianna, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ally! yes you will be the oldest person in the room! and yes! you should also take the ACT. if i were you i would take each test twice - once for practice, and twice for score. i think if you are familiar w/ the test and the situation you automatically score a point or 2 higher on the ACT and 50 pts higher on the SAT. Don't practice for the SATII though, colleges dont really care what scores you get there, unless you plan to go to a highly technical school, in which case they might care about your math score, or harvard might care about the english test. :)

marianna, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

univ of cali combines the SAT I score and the total scores of three SAT II tests (must include english and math +1 elective) as part of a 'total score' with GPA, so in that case the SAT II is more important (max pts = 2400 vs 1600 sat i). dunno if its like that elsewhere

m, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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Perhaps suprisingly, class mobility (in economic terms at least) in the UK is greater than that in the US nowadays.
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RickyT, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Harvard didn't seem to care about my SAT II scores; I don't even remember what they were, they were so bad. (Actually, I vaguely remember that they were in the 600 range, so they probably weren't that bad.)

Ally, my comment wasn't directed at you; it was directed at everyone else. Personally, I only took each test once. I could have done better on the SAT had I not been racing a friend to see who could finish first (and he scored 20 points higher than me, the bastard), but it was still good enough to get into a snooty school. I think most schools are looking at SAT scores more than ACT scores, but I'm not sure. Really, I'm the wrong person to ask because I only applied to two places and one of them accepted me without recommendations, standardized test scores, or a transcript, plus I did all of this 12 years ago and don't really remember how it went. I'd say that going through online or computerized practice tests will probably give you enough of a handle on the types of things you'll encounter during the test to do well. Your life experiences are going to help you a lot, though; the stuff you've gone through and done will mark you out as a very interesting person, and that seems to be the deciding factor more than anything else these days.

Dan Perry, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A lot of schools require SAT I and II, and some let you substitute the ACTs for both. I don't know who it is that's requiring you to take the SATs, and you'll have to find out whether they require SAT IIs, as different places have different criteria.

The SAT I is three hours long, and it takes the entire given time period on a testing day, which is why you can't take SAT IIs on the same day. SAT II tests are specific to certain subjects (I've taken Latin and biology, I'm going to take writing and US history in May, and they offer more subjects) and each test takes an hour, so you can take up to three of those tests in one day.

Maria, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

God, I don't even remember which SAT II tests I took. I know I took Math I, and maybe English...? Go go Gadget-Sieve-Brain! (Although I'd probably be more worried if I could remember which tests I took...)

Dan Perry, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

take a class, they really help.

anthony, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember because I took them last year. Yippee for high school.

Maria, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Take them each twice! Good lord, those things cost money!

Does life experience actually matter? Do they care if you're going to a state college anyhow? I really doubt I actually need to take the SATs, now that I'm thinking about it, because I'm just going to transfer my community college and ASU credits, and I've got like 40 of those. I'm curious about the life experience thing, I never thought something like that would make a difference at all. Would it get me a free scholarship to a nice school? ;)

Ally, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If you already have an idea of what university you want to go to, you could probably save yourself some time and money and find out what their requirements are. You might only have to take the ACT or not have to take any at all, since you mention you have college credits already.

Nicole, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ally - if you are Mrs robsinon, who is Dustin Hoffman? ANd will Hanle y do the theme song?

Queen G, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

SAT II? Even I don't know what the hell that's about. I just remember math and verbal. Ah, 1987, so long ago...

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have ideas on colleges, the freshman admissions all mention needing to take SATs. The TRANSFER admissions do not but sort of seem to recommend it as a total package for out-of-state students (which I would be at any of the colleges - currently have looked in Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Florida - because there's no way in hell I could do the city thing, as I already explained in a way old post), because they give priority to transfers from in-state students.

Dustin Hoffman IS Hanley, duh. Theme song by Momus.

Ally, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can we start calling N. shuffle-bottom again?

rosemary, Monday, 1 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

All your SAT I scores get sent to your college, but you can choose which SAT II scores to send -- you can take it 5 times and pick the best score, or whatever. This means that SAT IIs are basically bullshit and SAT I is more important. So check this obviously but I bet as a transfer you will only need SAT I. If you have to take three SAT IIs, do the Writing, Math IC or IIC, and Spanish or French or something. Don't take both SAT and ACT, they're redundant, you don't need them both. Don't take it twice unless you're seriously unhappy with your first score. A course probably helps but it's expensive so don't bother. Just go to Barnes & Noble and buy a fat book called 6 Real SATs or something similar. Do a few timed practice tests before you do the real thing, definitely do one the night before. Understand beforehand the two most confusing sections of the SAT, which are the math questions with the A and B columns, and the This:this::that:that word questions. On each question read all the answers and if you think it's A, double-check it, because A is usually a trick. For any 5-choice question, the answer is more likely to be C or D than anything else. Also in questions where the answers are phrases, the answer is usually the longest one. On reading comprehension, read all the questions before you read the passage. That is all the SAT advice I know.

Ian, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

More advice: also look for computerized versions you can work at home. They make it easier to pinpoint your weaknesses. Tips: the later a problem comes in any section, the more likely the obvious answer is a trick. Always plug in your multiple choice answers back into any algebra questions. In reading comp. watch out for words like "always" and "never" as they frequently disqualify possible answers. If you can eliminate two or three choices, guess. If you can only eliminate one or none, skip it. Most important: don't freak out and freeze up like I did on my GRE. But if you do, cancel the test!

bnw, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

These SATS are multiple choice?? And they get you into UNIVERSITY?! They sound like Richmond tests!! For those who didn't do those in primary school, they're what we did at the end of our last year to see what set (upper/lower) you'd get put into at high school, all multiple choice and quite FUN! You could bring a book to read once you'd finished. I managed to finish the test and finish the bladdy MALTESE FALCON in one of those tests.

Sarah, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah the Richmond Test - the only real problem was that if you did them too fast the ink might evaporate before the two hours it was supposed to take to do them would be up.

Typical Richmond Test Verbal Reasoning Test: WHich of these words is the odd one out: a) Small
b) Large
c) Great
d) Big

(A. Big as it only has three letters).

Pete, Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
i wank over men

gay boy, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Possibly the best advice Ally could get at this stage. (??????)

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

How about the good ol' Miller Analogies Test?

1. SHAKESPEARE: MICHAELANGELO

a) Schumann: Berlioz b) Schopenhauer: Nietzche c) La Traviata: Tosca d) Barney the Dinosaur: "I Buried Paul"

Joe, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

When I took the SAT test, some girl in the class threw up somewhere in the middle. She got up, ran for the door, and made it about half- way there. They didn't do anything to remedy it, really; the smell was quite distracting, to say the least. I guess I'll always associate the SATs with vomit.

One of my roommates in college took the MCATs (Medical School Exam), and one of the other test-takers during the session when he took it 'clamped down' at his desk--completely frozen. They had to call the paramedics, and they had to lift the dude out of the class, desk and all! Obviously a GREAT future candidate for performing open- heart surgery... ;)

Joe, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the university of california has decided to scrap using the SAT as admission criteria due to its now longstanding crap reputation as a tremendously biased test. most other major US universities have indicated that they will probably follow suit, changing their admissions to focus mostly on GPA + extracurriculars + essays and the like. this is expected to change the makeup of 'premium' students and the schools they attend because it now allows hard workers (the main indicator of GPA) to gain equal access (or perhaps more) to elite schools than those who got by on ability but not work ethic.

bc, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I took the GRE twice, the first time I got something like analytical 500, math 700, and verbal 770. The second time I got analytical 800, math 620, verbal 780. I didn't study or anything either time; it seems the degree of error for whatever these tests are supposed to measure is well beyond the limits of usefulness.

I thought you were going to Hampshire or something Ally, they don't require standardized tests at these hippie colleges do they?

Kris, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I took the US History and writing SAT IIs on Saturday. The writing was first and the multiple choice wasn't too bad and i got to babble on about c.s. lewis for my entire essay, but the histroy was quite unexpectedly HARD. (i mentioned this to my history teacher and she said, "I didn't think so, i got an 800." yippee for you, lady.)

Maria, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
Isn't the ACT only useful for people for either live in like Colorado, or hope to go to school there?

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 27 November 2003 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

God bless the SATs. My English grades and my SATs were the only good thing on my high school transcripts (everything else screamed slacker/underachiever/the truth).

I'm looking to transfer to an actual art school (Pacific Northwest College of Art, maybe the Art Institute of Chicago), are they going to give a damn about my SAT score (being an art school, and being kinda old, as I took the SATs my soph. year in high school)?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 27 November 2003 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still spun out by the concept US college/uni-entry exams are multiple choice. Geez louise. Doesnt anyone write like, essays?

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 27 November 2003 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

(I think they tacked an essay question on to the end of the SAT, to satisfy the hippies who thought that aptitude could not be measured by multiple choice.)

Mary (Mary), Friday, 28 November 2003 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

The SATs/ACTs/GREs are just the standardized tests (and include optional essay components some schools require); most schools have essay requirements of their own, sometimes just personal statement type and sometimes more academic.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 28 November 2003 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)

It's not a entrance exam per se. Just an aptitude/skills test, kind of.

You still have to fill out apps, many of which require multiple essays (outside of schools where your entrance is based on scores and high school standing - ie in many Texas state schools, you're automatically admitted if you graduate in the top quarter of your class with an 1100 SAT).

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 28 November 2003 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard they took analogies off the SAT? What's up with that? Analogies were the best part!

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 28 November 2003 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah right. Now that makes more sense, thanks guys.

Here, we do exams in year 12 that, well when I did it anyway, were weighted along with an entire years worth of work (assignments etc) to form an entry score out of 500 (I think it changed massively after I left school tho). So your exams counted for much of the final score but so did some other work. Depended on the subject too, eg for art, you had to do a major work that took half the year and was sent to Sydney for judging. For music obv you had to perform in front of examiners, do talks, etc. Other subjects just had essays or tests.

They used to also weight your final result against the kinds of subjects you did too, which I was vehemently opposed to. ie you were punished with a lower score if you did subjects regarded as "easier" like art, home economics and music. I mean wtf!?

I had a panic attack and fainted in my practice biology exam, heh.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 28 November 2003 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

THEY ARE ADDING AN ESSAY PORTION TO THE SAT! And they're doing it my junior year! Help! I suck at essays! It will be out of 2400 rather than 1600, which totally fucks with everything good and rational in the universe.

Should I take it this year in case I totally bomb the new portion? I got a 1340 or somesuch on the PSAT last year, so hopefully I should get something in the 1300-1500 range if I were to take it this year...

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 28 November 2003 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I am mad at myself because I MISSED THE EASIEST QUESTION IN THE MATH SECTION BECAUSE I MISREAD IT and did not realize it until time was up. This means that I can get no greater than a 770 on the section :(

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 28 November 2003 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I suck at essays!

Speaking with supreme authority as a former writing instructor, senior writing tutor, and award-winning ice cream flavor designer, I beg to differ.

I have no useful advice, though, this is at least the second time they've changed the SATs since I took them. But if I were Provost of the universe, you'd have a free ride to Funkiversity.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 28 November 2003 04:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Well at least now I know what to fall back on if I really have no clue what to write.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 28 November 2003 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

T/S - people who get a better score on the SAT V or people who get a better score on the SAT M

(aka Camus-reading Goth poets v. Linux-programming roleplaying geeks)

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 28 November 2003 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha, I wonder how I missed this thread. At last I'm in the land of the Mythical Smart People What Did Well On Their SATs. I knew there had to be others in the land, as they sure weren't at my school!

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 28 November 2003 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i bombed out on mine

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 28 November 2003 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

(I still curse American spelling for wrenching my perfect score away from me, due to my refusal to recognise the word "gotten".)

Citizen Kate (kate), Friday, 28 November 2003 09:45 (twenty-one years ago)

you gotten screwed

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 28 November 2003 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

my circumstances were unfair was the person behind me kept tapping their foot softly on the back of my desk and shockingly my fifth grade girlfriend who moved to another school district in the seventh grade (long after we'd broken up) mysteriously appeared in the same room as i to take the test! o wicked hand of fate!

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 28 November 2003 09:52 (twenty-one years ago)


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