Living on Your Own vs Living with Other People

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Me and DJ Crow Atak went to see Together the other day, this film about a commune in Sweden in 1975. When it started out I thought it was going to be a cheap shot at hippies ("can you believe that guy's HAIR???"), but in the end it was a GRATE study of what compromises you make in order to avoid being lonely. While the hippies had arguments about whether Pippi Longstocking was a capitalist and had silly sex lives, overall they seemed slightly happier than the people living in loveless, abusive nuclear families or claustrophobic coupledom. I lived alone for about 18 months, and while I initially thought "FINALLY I WILL SETTLE DOWN TO MY GREAT WURK!", in the end it kind of sucked, shouting at the tv on my own and eating over the sink. Now I live with a couple of mates, and I still shout at the tv and eat rubbish, but there are other people to talk to when I have finished.

But what do you think?

stevie t, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

through some teriffically bad planning i shall be living alone as a student for three months. i don't look forward to it. living with others introduces discipline, i think. plus communal cooking is great.

matthew james, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i think living on your own is the greatest. for several years i flatted with my friends and while i had mostly a good time, i really hated having nowhere to retreat to be ahermit.

this year i moved into a flat: not strictly by myself but with people whom i didn't know and still don't really know because we are all engrossed in our separate lives. (we literally do not talk to each other) so i am practically living on my own, and i am glad of it. i finally get the privacy i need.

however i would not always recommend living by oneself. if you are unemployed for a long period of time you can get quite restless and bored and lonely and thats when you start to want to have people around that you can talk to. what i am trying to do here is to make an opening for myself to tell everyone that

TODAY I FINALLY GOT A JOB AFTER SIX MONTHS OF UNEMPLOYMENT AND ITS A GREAT JOB AND I AM VERY ECSTATIC!!!!!!!!!!

i'm off to the pub now to celebrate!

lady die, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I had roommates all through as an undergrad (one year both of us in a small dorm room, the rest of it multiple roommates in separate rooms in a house). The past year I lived alone. It's kind of hard for me to tell which I prefer because a lot of the friends I would hang out with in person moved away right when I started living alone. That part of it sucked. I do like living alone, but I don't really think it offered me many more freedoms. Maybe the freedom to walk around nekkid, or to not have anyone hassle me about cleaning my kitchen. But the discipline that (possibly - not necessarily) comes from having other people around, saying, hey, you've left that plate sitting there for 2 weeks, etc., is a lot more valuable, I think. Especially since if you have your own room you probably will mostly get to do what you want anyway, if you live with agreeable people. And you can also shout at the tv with them.

Josh, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, I still live with my parents, which sucks except for free laundry and food. I hope they're not reading this...

DG, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I had a friend I was sharing an apartment with go completely psycho on me, and after that I would never ever share an apartment with a friend again --- I won't catalogue all of the downright freaky/scary things she did, but suffice it to say it was enough to put me off communal living for good. Living on your own is far nicer.

Nicole, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh yeah, once we got a roommate who was this loser guy who came east from the coast after leaving his wife. He wanted to live with the college girl he met on the internet. They turned out not to get along that well, which is why he needed a place on short notice. He talked on the phone all the time, and as soon as he had DSL, almost never left his room (he owned, as far as we knew, a few changes of clothes, and the computer that he bought with his sales job after he had moved in). One day I didn't hear typing from his room all morning so I peeked in, and he had vanished - owing us like $400 because we were such suckers on letting him pay us rent. New rule: only live with people we trust (haven't had a falling-out like Nicole's yet).

Josh, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The divine LC once had a Lodger From Hell, the story of which I'll happily tell if anyone's interested.

DG, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What exactly do you think ILE is for, DG? Tell. ;)

Josh, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hmm...it's late now, but I'll whet your appetite by saying it involves me being beaten up. I'll tell all later.

DG, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This thread seemed like fate to me when I saw it today, because this morning I decided to live alone when I have never even wanted to before and always thought that it wasn't for me. But suddenly the advantages of being able to spread out all my stuff and be loud seemed obvious and all my fears went. I have to work by myself all day anyway. And I need space to spread out things I want to fix and stuff like that. Space is the main issue here, and being able to make noise without disturbing anyone. But am I making a mistake that I can't anticipate? I read what everyone else had to say with great interest.

maryann, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I hate living together. I get clastrophobic. We have to book alone time, esp. with this tiny apartment.

anthony, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Space? The options here are: (a) live alone and pay $600 for a studio, or (b) live with someone else and pay $600 for a two-bedroom apartment.

Plus: I am not clean. When I lived alone I was perfectly content to live in filth, which was not a good thing.

In fact, I'm currently looking for a roommate so I'm not forced to abandon my lovely apartment and head back to a lonely overpriced studio. So if you happen to be thinking of moving to Chicago, hey! Why not do it next month? :)

Nitsuh, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It depends. I live in a big house (five bedrooms and three bathrooms) on my own. But sometimes people rent a room. This way I get the best of both: I'll live on my own for a month and then suddenly there's someone staying for a few weeks. But if I had to choose, I'd probably choose for a solitary life where I can run around naked and talk to my imaginary friends. ;-)

nathalie (nathalie), Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I lived in the back of a house like that for 3 weeks in the midwest. All i did was read and write. I remember it as a highlight of my young life.

anthony, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's nice to be alone when you want to be and in company when you want to be, unfortunately too often living with people, you get them in your face when you want solitude, and everyone fucks off when you're bored. Actually, I dislike other people unless they're attending to my needs.

dave q, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hmm.

I've just come out of a year the best and worst of living together and living alone. 6 months sharing a one bedroom flat with a belgian I really didn't get on with,plus she smoked 30 a day. It wasn't my choice of situation but where I was in Italy it was nigh on impossible to find somewhere to live and we just took the place. It was by no means . then she went back to belgium. and I lived alone.

That was good, except I do like to be socialble and I love to cook for people. And I do like to have the support of close friends around me. Admittedly I haven't tried living alone in a city where there are a number of close friends close by and I do definately appreciate the space.

Anyway today I move into a good sized house with friends of mine up in sheffield, so we'll see how that goes

Ed, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have lived with 3 lots of people: the first lot included a couple = bad idea as they are nesting and the rest of us kept getting in trouble for ruining their domestic idyll. The second lot were fantastic and we all got on incredibly well as we were all as drunk and lazy as each other and would spend many a happy hour with rum, fags and Tekken. The current lot includes Pete which is a nightmare. I have lived in a house of 5, then 4, then 3 - I must be due to get married about now. I would hate to live on my own, I get nervous and hear bangs and need people to make me tea and stuff.

Emma, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

living with other people definitely. i live with 3 girls at the moment, but am moving very shortly to get a nicer and bigger place. its been cool, living with people who are different and stuff ("gareth, thats not more weird books and records again is it?" heh heh)

i think its best to live with 2 or 3 other people, the danger with 1 other is what nicole said upthread

gareth, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Stevie - your question is good and thought-provoking, and I'm not sure of the answer. (I *think* the answer is: on your own is best, IF you can get it.) But meta-questions:

1. Who is DJ Crow Atak and what are you doing going to the pictures with him / her?

2. What was your Grate Wurk, what happened to it, and when are you going to get back to it? None want to see it more than I do.

the pinefox, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Living with four people you have nothing in common with after answering an ad in Loot is a very big dud. Even when I got to the stage where I was doing the interviewing for new housemates I still managed to choose people who I didn't get on with.

I'm now living with one of my oldest friends and her bloke and it's great. We've all got similar tastes in music/books (but still different enough for a good argument) and eat the same food and shout at the telly together.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I lived in the best shared house in Hampstead which was cheap and cheerful (I have the knack for jammy housing). My flatmates were architects, curators etc and it was a maisonette on three floors with enough room for all and we threw great parties. The other times have been nightmares ruined by Evil Landlordism though in all cases I liked my flatmates.

I miss cooking for people while living on my own, also less likely to go out and be active. I never really had space of my own 'til 1995 so it was weird and full of hidden costs. The social life in shared houses can be exceptionally good; I have been known to stay in if I can't get a plus one for the various gigs, etc. I go to.

suzy, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've been living on my own for 8 months now and I have to say I'd prefer it otherwise. But I'm not sure how much of that is due to being on my own and how much is due to living in Oxford instead of London. It can be nice to just slump out of an evening and cut off all outside world contact, but also living alone blunts your social skills and ups the temptation of your various bad habits.

So hopefully I'll be back in London in November and fingers-crossed will find some people to live with too.

Tom, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I could very happily live alone in a basement flat somewhere. Anything would beat living with Emma, she is easily the worst housemate I have ever shared with. The house is carpeted with her hair and she never does the washing up.

Our flat is lovely though and we have an ace landlord. It is also very, very orange.

Pete, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But on the plus side, Pete, you get to go through my knicker drawer when I am asleep. And also regular and detailed updates on Eastenders. And I give you wine when I have a bottle i.e. most nights.

At least I don't lie on the sofa in a short dressing gown with my chest hanging out like SOME people. And I am the only one who ever buys bog roll.

Emma, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I *love* living alone more than anything. I just like the freedom to do whatever I want and not worry about anything. The only problem is that I tend to shut myself off so completely that I lose touch with everyone and vanish.

Now I live with someone, and it's fine. My job means I'm never there, so it doesn't really feel like living with anyone at all. I'd like it if I was home more, to be honest. That said, I can never get near the computer at home...

Paul Strange, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm never alone. they're always there...they follow my min d around. One of them cooks, and one screams at the midnight noises

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hrm. Touchy subject right now. I love my roommate, she's a great girl. I am just not made to live with someone. I can pull up examples of things I just cannot live with, like I'll be trying to go to sleep cos I'm sick, lying in bed with HEADPHONES on trying to relax and sleep, and she'll just come up and start talking to me, louder and louder until I take off the headphones and chat, but it's never like something important or emergency, it'll be some story about her friend that happened 5 years ago that just popped into her head. Little things like that remind me that I shouldnt live with people. I really do love her, she's a great friend, but I'm too much of a snotty moody bitch.

Ally, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You sound liek a snippy housemate Ally. snip

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Currently live on my own & like it. Present abode has a spare room which I'm contemplating sub-letting (want dosh) but prolly won't. But yr right (persons above), there is tendency to shut out world &/or indulge bad habits. But is that so bad? [Does bad habit w/o guilt = good habit?]

AP, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Added to my to-do list: Go to Mike's house while he's sickly and sleeping and shout at him til he wakes up so I can tell him about the one time (in band camp) how I was hanging out with Angela, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah for 2 hours.

Ally, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
thread revival!! roommate troubles!!

i want to live in a cave

:(

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 01:27 (twenty-three years ago)

they're always there...they follow my min d around. One of them cooks, and one screams at the midnight noises

Can I borrow one of them to do some cleaning up around here?

Homegirl Alone (j.lu), Wednesday, 11 December 2002 04:39 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
Revive.

Though, specifically, with the complication of living with a *couple*.

My housemate got married a few months ago. I was really happy for him his fiance/wife is a lovely person. The house seemed big enough to absorb another person without any problem, and he said that they were perfectly happy for me to go on living with them.

However... I feel like a selfish, heartless bastard, but things have changed in a way which is really exacerbating my loneliness (is that even the right word? More like alienation).

It's not just the physical problems of having another person move in. (We've tried to schedule the mornings so shower/kitchen conflicts are not a problem, but the evening is a different story - no matter what time I come home, it seems that they're in the kitchen.) It's a "personal space" thing - the Wife is obviously nesting, making the place her own, but this means she's intruding in areas that were formerly mine. Reorganising the garden, for instance.

And apart from all that, it's hard for me, as a terminally single person, burned out on relationships, not very up on "love" and all that, to be constantly rubbing up against this happy relationship. It's like I don't even get to relax in my own home. Lazy bad dinners in bed with the TV have become the norm, instead of a luxury, because they're being coupley all over the kitchen. I haven't even seen the inside of the living room (TV, cable, video, DVD, etc. which my housemate always says I'm welcome to use) for months.

Should I just give up and move out? Honestly, I'm sick of moving, and I *liked* this house. It's not even something I can really *talk* to them about, because it is me being oversensitive, but it's painful constantly being around newlyweds. I could certainly afford to rent a studio or one-bedroom and live by myself. (I was planning on buying such a thing in six months to a year anyway.)

What do I do? Grit my teeth and bear it for another year? Move out? Am I just being oversensitive and selfish and I should shut up and just be *happy* for them?

Argh.

Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 08:27 (twenty years ago)

If you are planning on buying in the near future K, I would try to stick it out. Living on your own would be nice, but I don't think would be very good for you at the moment. If you can move in with a friend without too much upheaval, that could be a good option.
Am I just being oversensitive and selfish and I should shut up and just be *happy* for them?
You are not being selfish at all, but you cannot blame them. They are just caught up in newlywed bliss & it's hard to see how others might be affected by this. Any chance you could try to talk to them about the situation. Not "stop being so annoyingly happy" more "is there any chance I could spend some time in the kitchen/living room/garden this evening?"

Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

I don't blame them at all.

But I also cannot help feeling a bit rubbish and put out by it all.

I mean, the few times I have asked to cut in, and said something like "Look, I am very hungry, my dinner will take 15 minutes to cook, do you mind if I use the kitchen now?" I've felt guilty and awful as hell about it.

Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

Well you live there too, so stop feeling guilty. You have as much right to be there & they should be slightly more considerate. Do you cook separate meals? If so, what about saying, I was thinking about cooking us all a meal. This could work to integrate you into their little couple world so that they see there actually is someone else living in the house.

Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

We've *never* eaten together. Even when it was just housemate, before he got married.

I don't really want to be mates with them, I want to keep it as businesslike an arrangement as possible. We're housemates, not friends - I really need that kind of layer of insulation/privacy or else it makes personal issues out of things that are not. (In a way, it's better for me to live with strangers than with friends.)

Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

i want my own place so much. I share a house at the moment, it ain’t bad but I know I would be happier with my own place. I’m fortunate enough not to get lonely as well, which is a bonus as friends say “oooh you’ll get lonely”.

not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

I feel far less lonely/isolated/whatever living On My Own than I feel living with other people who are locked in their own private world of happiness in which I can never participate. :-(

Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

I don't think living with marrieds is ever an ideal situation. Obviously you should be be happy for them up to a point, but of course it's not easy given your current emotions about relationships etc. If being happy for them feels forced, then I think you should do yourself a favour and accept that you can't be. Having to suppress negative emotions ALL the time you are at home (a place where you should feel contented and relaxed) can't be healthy.

My feeling is that you should plan for moving out. They are obviously moving into another stage of their lives now, however happy they are to have you there as well. Talking about it might clear the air (if indeed it feels unclear) but it won't change the underlying situation.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

Maybe in six months' time they will have split up horribly and messily anyway

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

I lived alone for over 18 months and was getting sick of it. I live in a two bed I rent from family and was luckily getting a great knock down rate in a fantastic neighbourhood. Originally the house was nominally purchased as a base for family should they ever be in Dublin but it was really for my sister to have a base for college. Fortunately for her she got offered a brilliant chance abroad for her further studies and wisely took it. I moved in during my final year of college (2001 - 2) and was living there with friends/strangers until December/January 2003/4. I did have a Nicole moment as described upthread and do miss that friend an awful lot but I have accepted that they're bad news. Anyway, point of story is this: Alce my sister moved back about a month ago with her boyf. They are all over each other and this is ‘it’ for the two of them. They’ve moved from country to country for each other and now are looking at living together for an indefinite period for the first time. My problem is that they’re staying until they buy and with the way things are in Dublin that could be a long time. From day one there has been open warfare which only recently got resolved by talking like adults rather than brother and sister so thankfully you already have that emotional distance. Explain that you want to use that room. Fuck em if they come in after you and start smooching, invite friends around and reclaim some of your home. Eat wherever you eat, if you clean up after yourself it'll be hard for them to complain. The nesting and throwing away of things is to stop. She should ask you to remove them and you should feel within your rights to say no! Remember, she’s come into YOUR house and while you are to be accommodating as is only fair it is also up to her to realise that she is the new arrival and should respect your ways as well. Discuss what can be done. Basically just talk, you can’t go wrong! Don’t leave until you buy, moving is such a pain so just stick it. If you talk you stand the chance of making it much more comfortable!

As to the original T/S, I will be renting out the room again when they leave. Why? Well I'm a social animal. For all my misanthropy and cynicism I LOVE people. For a long time I loved living alone because it allowed me to switch off and not have to do anything. Now I want to have someone else in the house. Pure and simple it's a good way to meet new people but also it's someone making noise in the house. I was getting sick of the silence only broken by me or the neighbours. I think part of the motivation is that if someone’s in the gaff it means that you don’t need to go out to have a chat with someone (I hate phones) so I can save to buy, hopefully.

God I do waffle. Sorry.

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

i live on my own. i own my place. it er... owns.

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

"I'm Living Alone and I Like It" - Sophie Tucker

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

making tea in the nude in your own place = classic.

carly (carly), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

living with others introduces discipline, i think. plus communal cooking is great.

These two points are both the exact opposite of what I would say.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Isn't communal cooking, but its very definition, the most bland, unimaginative vegetarian cooking there is?

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

making tea in the nude in your own place = classic.

we have a winner!

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

Spilling tea on yourself in the nude... well, don't do that.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Everything I've ever heard says that living with a couple = get out now.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

i promise to be careful with hot water and encourage other nude tea-drinkers to do the same.

carly (carly), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

carly otm.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 11 August 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

I'd be more worried about the kettle.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 11 August 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Frying bacon in the nude: classic/dud?

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Hrm. Touchy subject right now. I love my roommate, she's a great girl. I am just not made to live with someone. I can pull up examples of things I just cannot live with, like I'll be trying to go to sleep cos I'm sick, lying in bed with HEADPHONES on trying to relax and sleep, and she'll just come up and start talking to me, louder and louder until I take off the headphones and chat, but it's never like something important or emergency, it'll be some story about her friend that happened 5 years ago that just popped into her head. Little things like that remind me that I shouldnt live with people. I really do love her, she's a great friend, but I'm too much of a snotty moody bitch.

-- Ally


This describes my living situation in my last two years of college perfectly. I can't say a bad word about this roommate, truly a Good Person as well as creative/intelligent/friendly/etc... but I usually need a bit of time alone, and he generally needed to be interacting with people constantly. So there were plenty of those situations described above and it got on my nerves.

Now I've lived alone for about a year, which obviously has its drawbacks, but I like it much more overall. I can still hang with friends a lot, but they're not popping into my room every 10 minutes. It is more expensive though.

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 11 August 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm too much of a snotty moody bitch.

Moi aussi.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

Eating bacon in the nude = classic.

carly (carly), Thursday, 11 August 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

I like living with a dog, as it gives me someone to talk to, and I never really feel lonely when he's always poking around. I've always been pretty happy living alone, but living with my pup is perfect. He's a sheepdog, so if I stand up and move from one end of the apartment to the other, he'll follow me. Not all dogs are good for this, a friend who has a husky says her dog does about the opposite... if he's brooding alone in a room and she enters it, her dog will stand up & go somewhere else to be alone.

Dogs might chew up your favorite shoes, but they aren't going to up & decide that your stuff doesn't look nice in the living room and remove it or anything. Really, the worst my dog is stuff like pull the pizza carton out of the recycling by the door & tear it apart looking for mmmm-yummy-3-day-old-melted-cheese.


lyra (lyra), Thursday, 11 August 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

In 3 weeks, I will be living on my own (again, for the first time in 3 years)!! I'm looking forward to the nudity. Will wear apron/clothes when in kitchen though (unless, y'know, making chocolate sauce with special friends or something...)

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 August 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)


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