Writer's Block

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Does it exist? How do you break it? Should - assuming you're not writing for your living - you even try?

Tom, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes it exists. Yes, try and break it: but you won't till you're ready.

A good possible trick is to try and write for a new outlet.

mark s, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I generally try to read my way out of it. Replenishing the well, so to speak.

bnw, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've been trying to finish some short stories for editing for nearly two years now -- and have finally succeeded -- so I can attest to the strength of the block. Best things for it:

1. Good fun reading -- something simple and uncomplicated that reminds you of what, at root, it is that makes you want to write in the first place. (Or, if it turns out lousy, reminds you that you can do much, much better.)

2. Change of scenery.

3. Best of all: deadlines. In lieu of external ones, just make yourself sit down and write crap. "Writer's block," I've decided, is the equivalent of getting lost driving somewhere and then just stopping by the roadside and standing around. When you think "this is going nowhere," keep going -- the more you wallow in the crap, the sooner you'll notice the way out.

Good luck, Tom -- you write good things, and we want to see more of them.

Nitsuh, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually, I suppose (2) applies more to fiction than music writing. I think the music equivalent would be something like going out to odd clubs and seeing bands you've never paid any attention to. Checking out a different genre, a different "scene." Change of "scene"-ry!

Nitsuh, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

easy - get some other writing work that gives you the shits but has a deadline, don't do anything until two days before deadline, then mainline a pot of coffee and write your novel - you'll never get that writing work again, but you didn't really like it that much anyway...

Geoff, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

AP, Thursday, 26 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I write for at least 20 minutes a night . Often i write shit. But making it a bedtime habit helps alot.

anthony, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The cure is to place a carrot in your liver.

Mike Hanley, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In my case it's good for humanity: this way I don't inflict the poulation with my mediocre writing. Mediocre? I am flattering myself naturally.

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I always think that reading will help, but it rarely does; when it does at all I think it's because it gives me time to avoid thinking about writing for a while.

Josh, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sympathy and advice most welcome, but what interests me is how pleasant 'writer's block' (if this is w-b) feels. Normally if I'm not writing anything I get silly and anxious - currently I'm quite happy just to tool around, drink with friends, chat here, and so on. The ideas are still there, but it's nice having them rolling about my head, relaxing themselves, rather than herding them out onto the screen.

Tom, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

AP, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've been grappling with this one for a while, as have several fiction projects (editing and writing) on the boil and anyone who might be subject in more autobiographical work tells me it's OK to extrapolate their experience for my own imaginary uses. I should not moan, because 'right people' are clamouring for me to write things for them, but that doesn't make it easier. Also climate of complete no-marks getting book deals WITHOUT A FINISHED MS is pants, at least in fiction. I also have very high expectations re: advances and stuff because of media knowledge, being a literary editor for a magazine and having a good agent in US and UK, meaning I expect the deal I get for work done already will buy me time to write next thing.

Luckily I am now at the point where posher friends with flats in Brighton/houses in France are offering me free, quiet space. I'm gonna need both. When I do sit down to write I can do a 5000 word SS in a day.

suzy, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Writers block is not only real, but it exists in almost all art media. It hurts me hardest in songwriting. I don't get them very often, as I'm normally quite prolific, but when it does, it's awful. It's like the emotional equivalent of being constipated. I just feel blank, and stuffed up and horrible.

I get over them by falling in crush again.

Kate the Saint, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't think that anyone has yet quoted Gore Vidal's cruel, provoking thought: "If you have writer's block, you're not a writer".

the pinefox, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was worried after I posted, since I seemed to be being considered RUDE to everyone this week (morning pinefox), that my post translated as WELL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND POST TOM SO-CALLED EWING. Which is not what I meant obviously.

I have discovered that I write far more fluently and (to me) interestingly, when I am NOT BEING PAID. This is a disaster.

mark s, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Variation on that thought: it's easier to write stuff you don't have to (ie. low priority) than stuff which is top priority?

the pinefox, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In contrast to Mark Sinker, I have no problems with writer's block because the words = money equation is pretty firmly hardwired into my system. I think that means I'm a hack. Which is OK with me

Mark Morris, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The secret is to write shit, rather than nothing.

berbis, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Amen to that Berbis. Because I am not writing to deadline I tend to go in mad whirlwind dervishes of writing. Most big pieces of work (ie 100,000 word novels) I knock out in a month, writing every night to get the thing out of my system - on the understand that the cleaning up will happen later. the discipline for the rewriting up is much harder - I've already told the story.

I've not written anything for a year and a half now, enjoying similar tootling about as you say Tom. Though I have two projects which are slowly building (I've even been doing research - a first for me!) - one of which I imagine will burst out with a vengence in October.

Pete, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom -- you once posted a link (must have been on Blue Lines, I think) to a whole list of people's solutions compiled somewhere on the interweb, many of which I thought were fairly helpful.

I've got the same problem at the moment, but the warm weather means I'm quite content to sit around and do arse all / play on ILE. Maybe I should move somewhere with a colder climate.

Deadlines are the only thing that really work for me however. Like Josh, I'm guessing, I have a terrible tendency to prolong the research when what's required is sitting down and starting.

alex thomson, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fuckin hell Pete, a hundred-thousand words in a month. my hat is doffed.

Blockage in songwriting exercises - these'll flush them: 1. write something in a style that you never use 3. steal a famous song, re-write the lyrics, then find a new tune. 7. brainstorm around someone you know, then sing a tribute.

berbis, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom - is this at all linked with your thread on 'Why you use ILM'? Do you find yourself writing things and thinking 'Oh, Mark S won't like that' or 'That's for Pinefox to say'? I ask because I've had problems writing things for communities where I know the people a little too well and, as I'm writing, I'm second-guessing people's responses, which kills the process dead immediately.

I also have trouble if I stay in one place too long; at the moment I've got no new stimuli coming in (possibly because I'm blocking them out) and, while this isn't particularly bothering me and indeed is fairly pleasant and calming, nothing's interesting me enough to actually write about it.

But I'm sure that question must have been asked here before: is it better to be content and never write anything again or spend a lifetime of agony producing a great body of work?

John Davey, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It is linked, yes. But not in the way you think. Basically my thinking about music writing has reached a kind of impasse whereby if I was to write stuff about why I liked certain tracks I would essentially be writing a diary, and I don't particularly feel ready to do that at the moment. But I also don't want to write neutrally about anything else. I've got a couple of ideas as to how to get round that. In the meantime ILE - which is obviously writing, duh - provides an excellent way around that.

Tom, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

After all, ILE is the filth that has "cleaned up" ILM and made it A Better Place, according to Mr. Pitchfork. Let our dirty thoughts and childish one-liners infect your writing! ;-)

Nicole, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Naturally, I now *demand* a list from *everyone* of all the stuff not being posted on the grounds that "ooh, mark s won't like that"...

mark s, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually the only thing I have censored myself on - not on the grounds that Mark S wouldn't like it, sorry - is saying that ILM has got a lot more rockist, cos even if it's true I'm bored of fighting over that word.

Tom, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Naturally, I now *demand* a list from *everyone* of all the stuff not being posted on the grounds that "ooh, mark s won't like that"...

well, i was going to write "mark s is a fool that needs to be beaten with sticks", but i thought he might not like it;)

gareth, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, the big vanilla.

Tim, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Naturally I now *demand* a list from *everyone* of the stuff that is For The Pinefox To Say.

the pinefox, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mark S - have always been too scared before now to say that I think Buffy is a load of old cobblers - gothy froth straight from the Poppy Z. Brite book of pseudo-daring 'subversion'. Give me Sabrina any day.

Please don't beat me up.

Andrew L, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Naturally, I now *demand* a list from *everyone* of all the stuff not being posted on the grounds that "ooh, mark s won't like that"...

Pokemon is overrated.

Nicole, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

THe term writer's block originated in France in the 1200 s when writers of bible would be made to bash themselves with blocks of rock if they coulsnt write

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

See, I didn't even think about those examples too closely and now everyone's ganging up on Mark S. Should I have thought about it a bit more, even if I wouldn't have been able to get the point over as instinctively, or maybe even get it over at all?

And already I'm thinking of possible retorts. Luckily I'm going home so I'll find out on Monday.

John Davey, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Call this a gang? Why I've seen harder gangs [etc etc]

mark s, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dr. Thomson, I cannot abide this baseless insult which you have slapped me with. Who ever said I did research?

Josh, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
'Specially for Doomie, a revived thread on writer's block!

Tom, Wednesday, 26 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey Tom, thanks!!

I'm getting out of it now. Slowly...slowly...

But it is a bugger.

I wrote thousands and thousands of pages from January to May. It slowed down to ten a week. Then stopped altogether as a questioned...am I talented??? Is this worthwhile.

And now it's started back up again.

doomie, Wednesday, 26 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Have you ever been scared about finishing a novel because you were enjoying too much?

How, when writing, do you break down chapters, I've been doing it by character and the similar amount of pages per chapter.

Is their any idea on how to break it down?

I actually analyse stuff like this when I'm reading. Hahaha...very sad and true. And the aesthetics, paragraphs and what not...

Does anyone else do that?

And naming characters...do I be ballsy and name the characters after the people they were inspired, or just make up names (very hard to come up with convincing names....)??????

My family is going to disown me after this is done, can't help it, they are genius lunatics!

doomie, Wednesday, 26 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
revive

alext (alext), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

alex i just searched for this and was about to do that!!!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)

this is why:

I am experiencing the most crushing writers' block right now. I mean I've got ideas but I have no confidence in them for some reason and just can't face turning on the word processor and looking at a blank screen thinking "Now I gotta fill this up". Has anyone else ever felt like this and how do you get over it...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

in the sense of "being unable to write at all" this has never come close to happening to me

in the sense of "being unable to start/complete" a specific task it happens when i lose confidence in the approach i have taken: the solution here for me is to switch into a mode of writing which is still basically comfortable and easy

(eg write a review of such-and-such as if it was an email to so-and-so about the same object)

i actually have a pathological fear of FINISHING anything (from books to marmalade): a good exercise for mark s fans wd be to spot the "joins", the unfinished paras/ideas/bits where i used deadlines or other excuses to say FUCK IT and press submit/post the envelope whatever


mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Lately I just keep not writing or not writing much because I'm used to starting work between 9 or 10 (p.m.) and now that I need to get up between 6 and 7, that doesn't leave me a large window. Trying to adjust to that, but it's slow going. Luckily (well, sort of) I am, for the first time in months, without any deadlines except two self-imposed ones.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

is it bad when you start envying hacks?

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i've been struggling with writing lately, and sadly the pieces i have due next week are for a good friend!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
:(

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 31 August 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

seven years pass...

Writing about music is much harder for me than writing a story or anything else. I don't understand why, but from time to time, I feel like anything I have to write about the music I love is null and void of what I really want to say. I don't know if this is writer's block but I wish it would pass.

JacobSanders, Saturday, 16 July 2011 06:04 (fourteen years ago)

Actually the only thing I have censored myself on - not on the grounds that Mark S wouldn't like it, sorry - is saying that ILM has got a lot more rockist, cos even if it's true I'm bored of fighting over that word.
― Tom, Friday, 27 July 2001 00:00 (9 years ago)

A hahahhahahahahahaa.

Sorry, it was the date on that which made me laugh. The idea that ILX has been getting steadily more rockist since less than a year after it was founded. (Did any of us have any idea that it would still be going 10 years later?)

I've had writers block for so long I don't even think of it as writers block any more, but more like "I just don't do this any more."

Karen D. Tregaskin, Saturday, 16 July 2011 08:08 (fourteen years ago)

Writing is much easier when it starts out as shameless playing around. You can always get serious with it if the original blob looks worth hammering into shape.

Aimless, Saturday, 16 July 2011 18:27 (fourteen years ago)


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