What does the Devil advocate?

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Two questions. If devil's advocates always attempt to counter an argument on principle - do they actually advocate anything except dissent? Has an argument ever changed your opinion in something - and did you then hold your hand up and say so?

More importantly why don't professional footballers nick off during a half for a piss? I've never seen it happen and surely uncomfortable bladder states happen to them too. It happens to me all the time when I am watching football.

Pete, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Christ Pete if you cannot go for 45 mins without a piss you are clearly not as unbreakable as you thought.

Emma, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Do Devil's Advocate's only counter on principle? That's not what the Official Catlick Church Devil's Advocate does. But anyway. Yes, an argument has changed my mind. Course, I wouldn't have the grace to admit it at the time.

Footballers have special colostomy bags that are emptied at half- time.

Nathan Barley, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It would appear that my ability to exercise for up to an hour without pissing makes me on a par with elite sportsmen/women. Who'd have thought it?

Emma, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It might be something to do with what I am usually also doing when I watch football. I'm not saying it should happen often. But I've never seen it happen.

I devils advocate all the time - especially people I agree with just to make sure my future allies can argue the position properly. This has often displayed the shortcomings in my own arguments which have come in useful later.

Pete, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Footballers tend not to get pissed before and during the game. Supporters on the other hand do hence the big rush for the toilets at half time.On the other hand tennis players drink loads every five minutes or so and are on court for 1-3 hours generally yet toliet breaks are still pretty rare. I suspect the answer lies in sweat.

Jonnie, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The power of sweat! Heals as well as drains. Er, yes.

As for arguments -- I think I'm more prone to considered rethinking than sudden changes, but often an aggressively opposite opinion will at least give me the chance to see a stance from another angle, which is useful.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hooray for my experiment in dual unrelated question threads. Something for everyone - what a populist I am.

Sweat = the piss of the fit? I'll never look at beads of sweat on someones forehead in the same way again.

Pete, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Stear clear of Marcus Trescothick then. His head was like Niagara Falls when England palyed in New Zealand.

As for arguing and accepting that my mind has been swayed, it depends on who I'm arguing with. Never concede an argument to a friend , even if you know they're right. It really riles them I find.

Jonnie, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I guess if you sweat enough noone notices if you piss yourself. That's what I count on. Devils's advocates don't change my mind much, because I don't really take sides often, so I just see it as someone who thinks they can say something to further a debate, not change my mind. My mind is mush.

alix, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thou shall ROCK!

jel --, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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