C B Luce's "The Women" (1939) vs "The Women" (2008)

This thread is basically a warning to Surmounter. Have you seen the remake's percentage on Rotten Tomatoes, hon?

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/10009516-women/

this should have been sex and the city (2008) vs. the women (2008). a better contest.

but this way there's at least one film of some substance in the matchup.

Why are my apostrophes fuct?

the original Women on TCM tonight...

I really, really want surmounter to pick the 2008 version.

I think the original sucked.

that isn't the question

Shouldn't they have remade it w/ Kevin Spacey, Clay Aiken and Mario Cantone?

Lance Bass and Jonathan Knight were unavailable.

Ooh, snap. Wish you'd have written the remake.

(Especially as you picked Jonathan over Jordan. Man after my heart, et al.)

but Jonathan Knight, according to Perez Hilton, is One of Us.

Both Knights have been plagued by rumors of teh ghey. Jordan's particularly virulent during NKOTB's heyday.

You're proud you know these things!

I bet Surmounter authored the AfterElton film list.

As little as I think of Booth Luce, Rosalind Russel, Paulette Goddard, and especially Mary Boland turn in good performences in Cukor's version. Crawford is okay and Shearer predictably annoying. Remaking this is the kind of thing that makes wish blunt head trauma on someone, though.

I was 8 or 9 years old during NKOTB's heyday and had sisters; of course I'm going to know a couple of these things.

I had a crush on Jon, the most useless one.

The Right Stuff.

From the first handful of comments:

i know im young and all but isnt he the one that dated Tiffany?

Now that's a scary level of recall.

thread is CURSED

Oh, you thought this one wouldn't go gay?

not in a NKOTB way.

M White has spoken, anyway, good nuff.

The original The Women is about as serious as "Cover Girl," in my opinion.

by "serious" I mean artistically defensible.

and I like the movie

I kept wishing it was bitchier than hiring that cast, writer and director would suggest. Rich and Famous was bitchier.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LCeQ1Y4sQ2I/SFwWNAO9Q_I/AAAAAAAAA-0/wxTEqAl8BsQ/s1600/Norma_Shearer_George_Cukor_cast_and_crew_of_The_Women.jpg

Which of these is which ILX gay?

Must you gay up all the threads in the wake of your brief LGBT epiphany?

Hmm, I should've known better than to take from blogger ... here's the pic again.

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v320/203/62/513642357/n513642357_968226_2096.jpg

Is that Vera Drake on the left?

"I help The Women."

I know I'm going to get saddled with the old broad in pearls.

You could be Cukor, since you apparently like him as a director a lot more than (at least) me.

I wish "Old Broad In Pearls" had been the surtitle for the original.

Alfred is the bigger Cukor fam, I think.

I'm a fan of his, not his fat ass.

You know, in retrospect, I don't think there's really enough difference between the women in The Women to make it a suitable exercise for tagging.

I don't remember a thing about it, except... there was a fashion show?

i don't know why Cukor gets so much hate by cineastes in general. Yes he was very theatrical but he was great with performances

the original film is overlong. what does this remake even share with it aside from the title? doesnt meg ryan look freeze-dried from 1998, especially that hair?

A lot of the gloried craftsmen of Golden Age Hollywood (Cukor, McCarey, Curtiz) don't really do as much for me as they do for most other neo-auteurists, so it's not like Cukor's a special case in my case.

Cukor, like every glorified craftsman and genuine auteur (Sturges, Welles, Wilder), produced lots of junk.

Welles and Wilder seem to have a stronger sense of willful directorial presence than I'm talking about (another example: Wellman) but yeah, it's also not to say that McCarey's Make Way For Tomorrow isn't one of the two dozen best movies ever made. I'm just a little more immune to the smart-people-on-autopilot stuff that Manny Farber was all about in his early years of criticism.

How's that, Morbs? Rather I go back to espousing the gay?

Cukor reminds me more of William Wyler with his trajectory and the rep of directing "women's pictures." But only one of them had teh ghey

Wyler's another one I should've brought up.

Wilder was supposedly a fan of Wyler's

Wyler vs Cukor would make for an interesting poll. Cukor directed more films I care about, but their lists of stinkers are fairly extensive. A draw.

How 'bout a pic of The Men?

http://home.comcast.net/~flickhead/directorlunch.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~flickhead/directorlunch.jpg

I know which one I am in that pic.

No wait, I don't know who anyone is in that pic, Hitch and Bunuel aside.

not to say that McCarey's Make Way For Tomorrow Duck Soup isn't one of the two dozen best movies ever made.

Wilder Wyler Manet Monet

not to say that McCarey's Make Way For Tomorrow Duck Soup isn't one of the two dozen best movies screwball comedies ever made, which surely puts it somewhere among the best 3,000 films ever made

OK sirrah, I can take you mislabeling P Sturges as "screwball," but not the Marx Brothers.

I actually don't think I'm even a neo-auteurist anymore. Devalues writers, actors, etc too much (generally speaking, obv).

WELCOME BACK TO THE LIGHT, SON

not to say that McCarey's directing babysitting job is one of the funniest films ever.

Glad to hear you admit that good movies are inherently not screwball comedies.

not to say that McCarey's worth talking about all that much

do not bait the old broad in pearls.

Sorry, I just watched a bunch of Chris Marker movies and they make the Hollywood ethos seem even more useless to me than it usually does.

oh, look, the Three Horsemen of Film Apocalypse have stolen another film thread.

You can have this one back.

welles did not produce "lots of junk."

nor did sturges AFAIK though i'm not really counting the later stuff that no one's seen

well, that "later stuff" is 2 features.

Chris Marker fans... so volatile!

Don't go blaming Chris Marker for my Olympian dismissals. He is untouchable.

The Stranger and Mr. Arkadin are junk, J.D.

Pricking holes in Orson is fine, but that's going too far...

I like all the Marker films I've seen (and that's the awful truth).

http://thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=668958&hp

have not seen either of these movies, so instead:

what's the diff between auteurism and neo-auteurism?

replace mr. arkadin with othello and i'm w/ alfred

also heads up next time you start a new gay thread guys, srsly

joe, u mad re Othello.

did you know The Women had already been remade in the '50s as a musical? w/ Joan Collins & Agnes Moorehead?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049578/