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I'm going to Spain (Seville) for a long weekend tomorrow and I have the option of going to a bullfight. Should I go? Have any of you ever seen one? What's it like? I think I'd like to, because it might not exist for very much longer, but I'm sure I will feel sorry for the poor leetle bool.

Sam, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

New Murder In The Afternoon Answers.

Sam, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i went to one - the bullfighter waz gored - i cheered and wished theyd plauyed 'anutha wun bites tha dust' thru a krackly tannoy.

a-33, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My grandpa used to go on about bullfighting at GREAT LENGTH and was always rambling on about Hemingway and how it was a 'ballet with death'. Hmmm. Having seen snippets on Spanish TV with the matadors / picadors etc. wearing pink pop socks I think that if not being tortured to death the bull would probably laugh itself to death instead.

Emma, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, there's every chance the spectacle won't exist for that many more years (especially if the animals-are-our-bwothers predictions in the 2402 thread come true), so I'd go. Try and keep the bloodlust and whooping under control, though.

So. Would anyone go to a public execution if they had the chance?

Mark C, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Personally, I wouldn't go. And, I'm not so sure about predictions of bull-fighting's demise.

jel --, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

toreador!

go shit yeah when i was in argentina they had a channel with 34/7 bull fighting and it rocks there is sweat and lust and bull death and blood and goring if your lucky it's like a rave only funnier

Queen G, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I would certainly go to a public execution. With a placard.

Pete, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think I'd want to go. Not out of any moral feeling for the bull really, I just think it would be boring and I could do better things with my time.

Ronan, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bi-horing?

Here bully, bully... (==|;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;>

Dissed!

david h, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

when i was in argentina they had a channel with 34/7 bull fighting

They must really love their bullfighting there.

Billy Dods, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

TO put an extra 10hours in the day they must be flipping mad about bull baiting.

Pete, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pete: hahahah. Sam: NO.

katie, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The more I think about this the more the attraction becomes a mystery to me. Maybe if I actually saw it in real life I'd change my mind.

Ronan, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I know - it must be a totally ridiculous spectacle. But ridiculousness has never stopped any traditional activity, or any tourist from wanting to see it. So silly pink clothes aren't a good enough reason not to go. The only danger is being bored. If that's the case then I suppose it's a non-issue, but do the people who view it with distaste think I shouldn't "support" it?

Sam, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Give it a miss. Read some Hemingway and watch the Chuck Jones Bugs Bunny bullfighting cartoon instead.

Martin Skidmore, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...
Ronan - it is absolutely fascinating.

I never knew how much there was to it. The preparation of the bulls, the shaving of horns, doping (though not regularly), the three acts, the big flechettes poked into the sides and broken, some crazy toreros choose to put these in themselves increasing the risk, some even break them in half pushing the bull closer to the body.

Standing in front of the gate of death waiting for the bull to rush out. The bull will sometimes find a space which it will try and return to - a haven. A bull can be made to charge by standing in this places way. Bulls can't really see in front of them, and don't have stereoscopic vision and can sometimes be bemused by running at across both eyes sight: they won't twig that what was once in the left field is now the thing in the right.

The ear-marking system for performances, the gorings, the femarol artery can paint a wall in seconds flat. The crazy toreros stealing into the fields where the bulls are bred at night, making a few cape passes. There not allowed to do this: the entry into the ring is the first time a bull should see a cape - so that the bull can't have opportunity to twig that the man not the cape is its real enemy. Lorca. His friends. El Juli and he goring. The middle classes in the rafters, the close sit of elbow on yr back, a comfortable hug of bone. Money passed up and down the aisles with ease.

Different bulls, different reactions. Is it an art? A sport? Is art destructive? Can something primarily destructive be art? Can something with no meaning other than the inner-intrinsic meaning of the act be art?

So much: so interesting.

Note: this is not an endorsement of bull fighting. [Though it is hardly a fight]. But an enthuse on the minutiae of the sport in an attempt to convince Ronan that it would be interesting as there is so much to it. The author has not considered the moral arguments - neither does he desire to.

I would go and see one. If only for research purposes.

david h(owie), Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A friend of mine is in bull FITE! not actually spanish toreros but more like rodeos. I think he has a few pics around on the net, ill see if i can find some

Chupa-Cabras, Saturday, 27 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
bullfighting is great.i cant believe you people like to see a matador get gored he is someones son brother

julian lopez el juli, Friday, 9 September 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

Perhaps this is already being discussed somewheres, but holy cow:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/22/julio-aparicio-gored-in-t_n_585941.html

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Saturday, 22 May 2010 19:11 (fifteen years ago)


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