What are you going to do if McCain wins?

I will try to convince Scott to come with me and the kids back to the Netherlands. Will you riot in the streets? Act natural? Carry on as you always have? How would a McCain victory affect you?

Well, I hear they got plenty of field pickin' jobs in Californay that could offer a man a good opportunity if he's got a mind to put in some work.

This is a dumb non american question but surely anything's better than Bush?

Not that him winning would be that good.. but even Al Franken (used to at least) like McCain. Which confuses me, tbh.

:/

everyone in the american media used to like mccain, 5 years ago, because he spent every waking moment fellating each and every one of them personally in his bus.

Pretty much.

anyway, it's not about "anything's better than bush" (which i'm not sure is true--i mean, at least the bush administration is now admitting iraq was maybe not the greatest idea, more than mccain is willing to admit), it's about the fact that there is one candidate so clearly better and the only reason anyone in this horrible country is still considering mccain/palin is because omg scary black man, and a mccain win would indicate something is so fundamentally fucked in america that it might not be worth trying to save this hole.

my answer to the question btw is castro's cuba! my sister and i just discussed it last night. renouncing seems fun!!

I refuse to entertain the idea.

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Ally 1,000% OTM ... sadly ;_;

also, Dutch is not too difficult to pick up if english is your native language and you have a good understanding of German -- yes?!?

the only reason anyone in this horrible country is still considering mccain/palin is because omg scary black man

Hahaha. Um, no.

The Netherlands seems like my kind of place.

Srsly. I'll go down with the ship.

I'll wait it out for 4 years. McCain will be greeted with a Democratic Senate and Democratic Congress.

Now if McCain drops dead after he wins... well, let's not talk about that.

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If McCain wins, the only thing I can do is hope that he catches Bin Laden and kills all of Al Qaeda and terrorists so that war wont have to be an issue at the next presidential debate. Oh wait that's impossible.

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It doesn't exactly suggest America is all "omg scary black man" so much as they continue to remain in cultural bunker mode. If McCain (i.e. incumbent party) wins with America's ground conditions being what they are, it will so fly in the face of election physics that it will be far more dispiriting than a nation simply refusing to switch ponies in wartime, et al.

I'll probably being moving abroad in the next few years anyway, but McCain winning would certainly encourage that decision.

Basically it wouldn't change much for me, because I've already kind of lost faith in this country. I live 3,000 miles from the mainland, which is a necessary buffer.

I realize my attitude is stupidly cynical, but I just don't believe much in the process and think American society is fundamentally fucked up no matter who wins.

be moving that is

doesn't the mayan caledar end in 2012 anyway?

yeah, but will it be a weather disaster.. I forget... what kind of disaster did the mayan's predict?

the only reason anyone in this horrible country is still considering mccain/palin is because omg scary black man

Wow, the US is so incredibly backward in so many respects. I feel sorry for you all, having to deal with shit like that.

fwiw if Howard got back in here last year I would have left the country.

Wow, the US is so incredibly backward in so many respects. I feel sorry for you all, having to deal with shit like that.

I won't pretend to know the first thing about Australian society, but how many Aboriginal PMs you guys had so far?

let him have it, super cub.

Settle Super Cub, it's not an attack on you ffs.

If McCain wins, I at least won't spend 3 days in bed mostly crying, like I did when Bush won second term 2k4 election.

sorry Autumn. I got a little carried away.

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SC makes a good point though, Adam, we're in no positon to be all patronising abt people not liking obama for being black when blacks in our country are treated like complete shit.

That was a muddled sentence but you know.

Europe calls America racist ... then they burn down huge gypsy camps raping and murdering innocent people all under the apathy of their own governmentsw. . A ltitle reminiscent of what people came to America to escape from?

SC makes a good point though, Adam, we're in no positon to be all patronising abt people not liking obama for being black when blacks in our country are treated like complete shit.

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That's very true, but I get the sense the proportion of Australians against that kind of behaviour is far smaller than the vast chunk of Americans (i.e. states and states and states) who voted for Bush last time.

(not that Aus is void of hyperreligious screaming fuckwits, it just seems more muted here)

people voted for Bush for more than just he was some chum crum ijhh

I already know what I'm going to be doing for election night... making homemade mac & cheese and drinking a lot of champagne. This has become a tradition of sorts for election night.

If McCain loses: hooray mac & cheese and drinking! If McCain wins: hooray comfort food and early alcohol oblivion.

Ha! We do the same with homemade beef pot pies and scotch.

I'm just glad that this year I'll have a full supply of meds, so that I don't lapse into full blown depression the day after like last time.

If McCain wins, I'm just gonna hope that he stays alive for the next 4/8 years.

This McCain bloke is so not going to win.

At least Bush only invaded small countries without nuclear weapons. Ever since McCain took his position on Georgia I've been scared to death of a McCain presidency.

You know what's unfair? That NYC is the prime target for terrorism/nuclear weapons. If McCain wins and picks a fit with Russia, we're gonna be the ones bombed, even though we voted against him. How come no one ever fucking attacks fucking Tennessee?

i will be scared if mccain wins. worried.

in a nuclear war, everywhere gets attacked, or at least eventually dies of radiation sickness/nuclear winter. the upside to this, as that one cop in watchmen put it, is that "no motherfucker is crazy enough" to start it.

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if mccain gets in, (thanks racists) i'll be very depreessed indeed, and i'm a britisher.

although the fact that we're even discussing the possibility of a nuke war with russia in 2008 is super-fucking depressing and frustrating.

True!

I'm told I qualify for dual citizenship at this point, but I reserve the right to return to this question on Friday morning. Palin might be all the vaccination we need against this happening; most of her admirers are just doing this admiring to needle the liberals they know. I have a feeling there are a lot of "working people" who will not admit to an Obama vote before they go to their polling station, but who will vote for him, purely because they have loud jerk 'nObama'-type friends.

invading russia and/or iran is a bad idea for about 10,000 other reasons that dont have to do with nuclear weapons, which are pretty unlikely to be used

I've heard that the USA doesn't like dual citizenship and is liable to revoke the citizenship of people who do it - does this happen?

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I know a ton of people (20 or more) with dual citizenship between US and Israel, and I've never heard of it being revoked.

heh I looked it up and it seems my information was almost 20 years out of date and the law was changed in 1990. n/m

mccain will win. reps will scam the election (again) if he doesn't.

McCain is not going to win. Bailout bill fails = economy goes even further in the shitbin and Republicans will get blamed.

mccain is not going to win, I do not think this vote is going to be close enough for them to pull the shit they did in 2000

This was part of a conversation about how the Obama campaign volunteers talks a lot to people who vote Republican based on "social issues" abortion. She thinks they should be voting instead to improve their economic situations, and if they only knew how their votes could materially affect their lives they would change their minds.

Yeah, and I guess that comprises so much of the blue state/red state thing that has been on everyone's minds since 2004.

I could be completely and totally wrong in thinking this, but I'm inclined to feel that people who have in the past sided with candidate x b/c of their position on abortion legislation, their espoused love for baby jesus and family, etc... will this time around, due to the severity of the current economic situation, put the priority of feeding their kids ahead of that other stuff. It's not like there are a million Ghandis living in the heartland-- when push comes to shove, I'm thinking people will vote with their stomachs, as it were.

The problem that remains, though, is what has been echoed many times over as concerns the apparently willful ignorance of so much of the population. The fact that there are people who are still "undecided" at this point is more than proof enough of that. I hate to say it, but I also think that many people are swayed on such an unconscious level when it comes to things which loom this largely on the spectrum of events...so sadly you get the phenomenon of people voting based on the candidate who they perceive as being more physically attractive, or taller, or more fun to watch football with, or less intellectually intimidating, or more of a "big daddy" figure...

Not to mention the racism nonsense-- e.g., see my uncle, who had been volunteering for Hillary's campaign, and then upon her losing the nomination to a dark-skinned man, overnight became a McCain supporter. (BTW HE (my uncle) IS WHITE!!!!!!!!!!!)

mccain is not going to win, I do not think this vote is going to be close enough for them to pull the shit they did in 2000

How bout the shit pulled in 2004?

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Have you been watching the polls?

All I know is liberals have been in shock both times Bush has won saying things like 'I'm going to leave the country,' 'there will be riots' etc. etc. and look what's happened.

I've lost faith in the American voter.

i watch the polls via 538 and it currently indicates a pretty wide margin. I personally think 538 is being conservative as well.

Yes, god knows I've lost faith, but this is a pretty singular situation (insert A Chorus Line parodies here).

Shit is so fucked that even the most elaborately constructed edifices of people's potentially limitless capacity for self-delusion are falling apart.

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OK, the gap has widened from the last time I looked.

Perhaps this is due to Palin's hilarious interview with Katie Couric. Oh, if it could only be so easy.

I'll do the same thing I did when Bush won re-election in '04. Get drunk on election night, spew some hateful bile the next day, disengage from politics for a month or so, then resolve to get more involved with local politics/elections.

Around the time I resolve to take a more positive stance is when my relentless mockery of friends who claimed they would move to Canada will begin.

Dude, my friend who swore up and down he'd move to Canada if Bush won in 2004 didn't move to Canada, but did get depressed, gain a lot of weight, and drop out of school for a year. He was seriously that upset by it. No laughing matter.

I think if you're already voting on issues that clearly won't affect your economic situation, it's probably not because you're too uneducated and would just change your mind if you knew more about economics or sociology or whatever, it's probably because you have different priorities. Ones I strongly disagree with, but that still aren't the result of stupidity or ignorance.

I would replace " it's probably" with "it may" in this excerpt; at its heart, this is the part of diversity that everyone struggles with.

After 2004, I came home drunk and kicked over my Kerry/Edwards yard sign that was already falling apart due to the rain.

My birthday was the next day, and it was one of the most sullen birthdays I had had.

I'd drive through my neighborhood and see those Bush/Cheney signs, and wonder if somehow the only person who doesn't think he's crazy is usually the crazy one.

I bought a Playstation 2 soon thereafter and played Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas every night from ten until two for the next month when my fiancee arrived.

i was in fairbanks alaska working on tony knowles's failed campaign and i got tanked in the flophouse where i was staying, walked in on my roommate getting head, and passed out with my head resting on the toilet waiting to throw up

when i woke up at 4 am there was some dude shaving his head in the bathroom

I, personally, am voting for McCain because I am racist & hate azns

figures

Careful, crut... you know McCain lived in Asia for a while? Even longer than Obama.

We may be dealing with an Indochinchurian Candidate situation here..

I'm not gonna lie, in the 2004 election I was seriously bummed and fucking depressed as hell, I went on like a crazy pizza binge, gained 20 pounds, and I think I was in my slump for a good 6 months.

And while I will be pretty bummed AGAIN if McCain wins, I don't think I am 100% convinced that having one guy over the other is going to drastically change my life (aside from crazy war mongering or starting a Christian taliban state or something super extreme). Maybe I just am rationalizing it so I don't get so bummed out this go around.

There are freaks out there who think that if Obama wins the world is going to go to pot, and right now they, too, are planning their escape. I used to think the other side was just retarded, but recently found out an EXTREMELY talented, intelligent co-worker of mine is a far right wing conservative (he's also gay and a big Sarah Palin fan, which boggles my mind). I can't even begin to try and understand why he believes what he believes; why he supports a candidate who wants to pray his gayness away. I guess it's all just some ideology; that the hardcore righties think anyone who tries hard and works hard enough will rise to the top, and those at the bottom just are human loser bottom feeders.

Sarah Palin is kinda Judy Garland'esque?

I guess it's all just some ideology

daddy issues

Also in looking at electoral maps from the previous 100 years of elections, I really think one of the only things dividing our country is Roe v. Wade.

he's also gay and a big Sarah Palin fan

Maybe he can be her friend.

crazy war mongering or starting a Christian taliban state or something super extreme

i can see a or c happening...b maybe not so much.

recently found out an EXTREMELY talented, intelligent co-worker of mine is a far right wing conservative (he's also gay and a big Sarah Palin fan, which boggles my mind)

people are completely fucking insane. dunno what else to say.

i mean, isn't that something like being a beekeeper who goes into anaphylactic shock everyday?

The day after, back in 04, I organized a large and hilariously pointless anti-Bush demo on my campus. Then I threw everything I had into the poetry stuff I was doing, lost 15 pounds, and tanked my next two semesters.

Also started notes for a novel about "disillusioned activists fucking, drinking and dreaming of change in the wake of a second Bush victory" because lol college freshman

I think instead of moving to the Netherlands if McCain wins, I'll restart the old secession movement here. http://www.mvmagazine.com/2007/september-october/images/free_marthas_vineyard.gif

i know, i'm having fantasies involving transporting the conceit of that sci-fi novel about the pacific northwest seceding and trying to apply it to the seat of original guard freedom that was/is could be philly in present-day.

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In the 2000 election I was 20 and barely paid any attention to the election and voted for Nader

:(

This mess we're in is YOUR fault!

In 2000 I was able to vote for Nader b/c I was living in one of those states where you could do that shit while being assured of the fact that in any event the dems had the territory locked. Since then, everything seems to have gone horribly wrong, both in the larger realm of the world as well as personally.

There is no moral to this story, except that, for whatever reasons, I am not freaked out about the November results. I'm very possibly horribly naive, but I think the game is up for the opposition?

SO NOT GOING TO WIN

It's a good thing I passed on that great opportunity to invest in the Iranian nuclear power program

There are freaks out there who think that if Obama wins the world is going to go to pot, and right now they, too, are planning their escape.

That's good, right?

not for you aussies :D

In 2000 I was able to vote for Nader b/c I was living in one of those states where you could do that shit while being assured of the fact that in any event the dems had the territory locked. Since then, everything

similar story except where I live there's never hope of the state going any way but GOP.

popular vote does matter in case it comes down 269-269 tho - not legally obv but it certainly would make things easier

This bailout crises + the very real possibility of 269-269 scares teh ever lovin' shit outta me.

I keep looking at 269-269 and thinking "oh please please please please please please please" and then I realize I have no idea if I am fervently wishing for some votes to transfer to Obama or if I really want to see the country in a full-on deadlock.

Well, yeah, oncoming locomotives never stopped me from placing pennies on the railroad tracks, but I'd like to think that I'm looking further ahead into the future these days than what will happen when those pieces of copper come flying back toward my face.

keep looking at 269-269 and thinking "oh please please please please please please please" and then I realize I have no idea if I am fervently wishing for some votes to transfer to Obama or if I really want to see the country in a full-on deadlock.

Let's ask this man for advice.

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I mean, the same House that just agreed to settle this bailout bill and then bailed out on the bailout bill they agreed to settle would be the ones getting to pick the next president.

Or Obama and McCain could put aside their differences and share the Oval Office before a live studio audience.

this fucking imbecile needs to retire

tell him. we already know it