Presidential Election 2008 Debate 2 Rears Ugly Head, Pals Around With Lollorists

more, more, faster, faster

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it's town hall style, right? will every question include and be greeted with a thank-you to the person, to the candidates, to the moderator, for letting us all debate the issues?

Wait, so is this a thread for the election, or just the 2nd debate?

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I personally am only interested in the part where mccain does his lizard-tongue GREE HEE HEE HEE to one of the audience members who shows him insufficient respect by asking a direct question about one of his policy proposals

I wonder if we'll get a moment like the last time round, where you could clearly see a lady with a pageboy haircut in the audience over Dubya's shoulder openly laughing at his responses.

Needed: timer for measuring how long it takes Mac to make proper eye contact etc. with Obama.

http://www.longnow.org/projects/clock/prototype1/images/general-model-uprightproto_lightSm.jpg

Whazat? Some sorta beryllium clock?

Brokaw selecting the questions from among those provided by the people in the audience is really just a way for him to essentially write the questions and pretend not to have done so, right?
(and he likes McCain, so there's going to be tons of bullshit questions, isn't it so?)

depends on what you define bullshit question as. If you mean "gotcha!" questions, I wouldn't worry.

Yeah "gotcha" like the "Bush Doctrine" question, no chance.

Is there a link anywhere that will explain how exactly they screen the questions and the people who are let in? (A "no" answer will not surprise me, I don't guess.)

secret borad 77

"senator which fanta girl u blap?"

lol

i wonder what traxx mccain would zshare to 'pure moods'

dancing queen

posting daily "Johnnycam" shots of palin to ws

"what is the worst DVD that you own?"

"The Fog of War"

"I Accidentally Domed YOur Son"

"What is the most unacceptable thing to ever come out of your assets?"

^We have us a winner here, you betcha.

"Which of the following terrorists is your closest personal friend?"

McCain, 72, will try to leaven his attacks with humor, said Republican campaign aides, some of whom plan to wear cufflinks with a mock Obama presidential seal. McCain and his surrogates will be ``aggressive truth tellers'' on debate night, said senior adviser Nicolle Wallace. ``I don't accept the premise that that makes the campaign negative.''

lolz you can't see cufflinks on TV you retards

You can if certain networks decide to zoom in on them.

I think the key word in that quote is 'try'

The official cufflinks of desperation. McCain doesn't have a chance in hell of winning this election.

leaven his barely-contained rage with lunatic grins and inappropriate chuckle-twitching. yeah, you did that last time.

Like wearing a rep tie when you don't even belong to the regiment. FAUX PAS!

^^ Looking forward to these kinds of boom-shaka-laka's.

i want barack to ask "can i call you joe tonight?" except say "are you going to call me a terrorist tonight?"

with mics open

i want to see some sparring on social security / medicare / medicaid / health care because i think we all know who'll win those topics

people aren't interested in that stuff man
hopefully brokaw will ask them if there are any significant anecdotes they would like to relate which inform their character to this day

ugh brokaw

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/10/07/following_up.html

lolz you can't see cufflinks on TV you retards

the other thing is that that whole "presidential seal" thing only makes sense to mad right-wingers and politics nerds. mccain made a joke about it in the 1st debate and you could hear it clunking unregarded in living rooms across america. (but the guy who wrote the line was probably backstage anxiously monitoring malkin and the corner for recognition of his zinger.) there's a point where the delusions encouraged by the self-containment of right-wing media become a political liability -- like, a false belief that most of the country is up on the fake outrages of the week, or shares the same automatic horror at the words "community organizer."

Brokaw, working hard:

Producer: How's it going Mr. Brokaw?

Tom Brokaw: Well, I've gotten it down to 473,019 excellent questions. I just can't decide if Tom from Riverside California's question about education reform should make it to the next round.

agressive truth tellers be tellin' the truth aggressively

gotta imagine brokaw will allow at least one (and no more than one, probably) ayers/wright question, since that's the officially designated issue of the week.

telling an aggressive truth

aggro trugressive telling

there's a point where the delusions encouraged by the self-containment of right-wing media become a political liability

this is a really polite way of putting it

i know. i actually find it kind of heartening to read the corner these days. they're convinced that as soon as people understand obama's ties to ACORN, the whole thing's over.

I hope the ayers/wright question is directed at mccain

then they can ask Obama why he would think bringing up the keating five is a good idea

they're convinced that as soon as people understand obama's ties to ACORN, the whole thing's over.
yeah - pull off the mask!! No realization that they are massively, hopelessly out of touch

Hahaha http://community.nytimes.com/article/comments/2008/10/08/opinion/08wed1.html?permid=71#comment71

I am an Associate Professor of Astronomy at the University of Chicago (the University that today has added yet another Nobel Prize winner in the sciences for the US). I would like to comment on Sen. McCain’s statement during the today’s debate that Sen. Obama has earmarked “$3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Ill. My friends, do we need to spend that kind of money?”

The way Sen. McCain has phrased it suggests that Sen. Obama approved spending $3 million on an old-fashioned piece of office equipment (overhead projector).
The 3 million is actually for an upgrade of the SkyTheater - a full dome projection system, which is probably the main attraction of the Adler Planetarium and is quite sophisticated and impressive piece of equipment.

I find it appalling that Sen. McCain would call a science education tool for public (largely children) for
a historic planetarium with millions of visitors a year a wasteful earmark. The planetarium’s focus, as stated on their website (http://adlerplanetarium.org) is “on inspiring young people, particularly women and minorities, to pursue careers in science.” Is an investment in such public facility at the time when US
competitiveness in math and sciences is a constant source of alarm a waste?

“American’s ability to compete in a 21st Century economy rests on our continued investments in math and science education,” said Rep. Brian Baird, Chairman of the Research and Science Education Subcommittee in Congress, after the passage of The 21st Century Competitiveness Act of 2007.

Considering such investments “wasteful earmarks” today, even in the face of the financial crisis, will severely cripple US economic competitiveness in the increasingly high-tech world down the road.

— Andrey Kravtsov, Chicago, IL

via http://cosmicvariance.com/2008/10/08/that-darn-overhead-projector/

Adler Planentarium is one of the top planetariums in the world, one of the few that is affilated with a top academic department in Astronomy — several of the PhD research staff at Adler have cross appointments in the Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago. Their exhibits are among the best presentations of science to a public audience that I’ve seen, bringing cutting edge research in astrophysics to a very broad audience, mostly students. The Sky Theater at Adler is phenomenal. Now, there may be a legitimate debate about whether a line item request in the federal budget is the right way to fund such projects. But anyone who values science education should appreciate that this is 3 million dollars *very* well spent. The fact that McCain decided to bring this up to a national audience again gives me serious concerns about his view of science education.

CNN (675 debate watchers): 54% Obama won; 30% McCain won

CBS (516 uncommitted voters): 40% Obama won; 26% McCain won; 34% draw

Survey USA (904 debate watchers): 56% Obama won; 26% McCain won; 18% draw

Also it is teh awesome.

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The laffs continue.

Re: The Ayers Card is a Deuce, Not an Ace? [Andy McCarthy]

"Does anybody really seriously believe that Barack Obama is a secret left-wing radical?"

You're right, David. Why would anyone think this guy is a left-wing radical? Just because sought (and got) an endorsement from the Chicago branch of the Socialist International, got his training from ACORN and a Saul Alinsky outfit, wanted to surrender to terrorists, thinks the Constitution vests alien combatants with rights against the American people, fought a law prohibiting infanticide, praises Bill Ayers' views on education and the criminal justice system, approved millions in subsidies for hard Left education "reform" projects, wants to nationalize the healthcare industry (for starters), wants to transfer $850B to the international community through the good offices of the UN, and (having voted against Roberts and Alito) says he thinks the key qualifications for a Supreme Court justice — after considering a candidate's positions on affirmative action, reproductive rights, and the rights of the disabled — are "empathy" and "what is in the judge's heart"?

Is McCarthy's entire career trying to get over the fact that he was appointed to be a US Attorney by Bill Clinton?

(for starters)

i think obama is the absolute best bet to marginalize people like this d-bag, if he sincerely tempers the politics of polarization in washington.

Voter registration - so radical

My thoughts on McCain's foreign policy 'expertise'.

fought a law prohibiting infanticide,

haha

we've got some thread creep going on here but u guys srsly need to read the mccain profile in rolling stone.

every paragraph is like daaaaamn

http colon slash slash...?

this one? http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

m hm

"a mean little fucker."

people grousing about 3m for science is totally infuriating.... esp when wars and blockbuster movies cost as much as they do

There was a good pie chart of pork vs. the budget. I would like to see a pie chart within a pie chart of the $3m as a fraction of pork.

(shame the general public would not grok the hilarity of this on a logarithmic plot.)

3 million seconds = 35 days
700 billion seconds = 222 centuries

dr. morbius stfu

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Biden_McCain_looked_like_angry_man_1008.html

— Andrey Kravtsov, Chicago, IL

lol I know this name from ApJ good one caek

The way Sen. McCain has phrased it suggests that Sen. Obama approved spending $3 million on an old-fashioned piece of office equipment (overhead projector).

The 3 million is actually for an upgrade of the SkyTheater - a full dome projection system, which is probably the main attraction of the Adler Planetarium and is quite sophisticated and impressive piece of equipment.

lol I turned to my wife during the debate and said "that overhead projector mccain keeps talking about is probably a planetarium"

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"Those attacks don't hurt Barack Obama or me," Biden said. "They hurt you. Every single false charge and baseless accusation is an attempt to get you to stop paying attention on what is going on in this country."

this is A++

the frontpage photo on the providence journal was great today, obama looking presidential with mccain in the background, microphone limp with a sadass look on his face

too bad its not online

I mean, here you have out there these kinds of, you know, incitements out there - guy introducing Barack using his middle name as if it's some epitaph or something," Biden said, apparently confusing the words 'epitaph' and 'epithet,' the Associated Press reported.

epitaph works here too, though

Providence Journal front page at the Newseum.

"stfu" has no power over me, gr80, so, um, EAT IT.

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you know who voted for it?
you might never know it
that one!

I've watched this clip, what, 50 times, because it's poetry. McCain's got excellent flow here! I would love someone to use it as the hook to a house song.

That Rolling Stone article is pretty nasty/great/informative.

I've had "say it ain't so Joe" stuck in my head since the veep debate. Last thing I need is another GOP hook in me.

I never realized that the Reagans hated him until that article, and it made last night's reference to Reagan loltastic. xp

thanks for the newseum link

loev this one

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sometimes a microphone is just a microphone

remember when mccain busted out his idea to make the government buy all the bad mortgages? guess what, it's stupid

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/10/john-mccains-ne.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/08/debate.reax.irpt/index.html

lol at the McCain supporter ("We need someone who will tell us what we want to hear!")

misrepresentation isn't really necessary Dan, particularly when the supporter is parrotting a stump speech line verbatim

"We need someone that's straightforward and will give us what we need to hear, not someone who will give us what we want to hear"

oops, I totally misread that

in my defense, I have been rewriting a data access layer all day

i liked that the presidents McCain referred to were Hoover and Th. Roosevelt.

i couldn't help thinking he might have actually voted for both of them.

i too was very impressed by the "should health care be a commodity" question. it was too big, too moral - it cut too close to the fucked-upness of american capitalism for either of them to feel confident in answering it head-on. although i bet if obama had more than a few seconds to turn it over in his mind his answer would have been the right one.

i think obama's boner for bin laden is unfortunately still part of the job requirement in 2008

all in all i feel so freaking proud of obama - he's the most thoughtful and sophisticated presidential candidate i've ever seen

and the SEXIEST

you both mean since Nader, ja?

since nader? i got my absentee ballot yesterday, he's on it.

i think obama's boner for bin laden is unfortunately still part of the job requirement in 2008
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, October 9, 2008 7:55 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest

Definitely unfortunate. You would think after the past several years the majority of Americans would understand Bin Laden and Iraq are totally different targets. It's truly sad.

daily show wrap up:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=187584&title=Word-War-II

I watched the debate in HD. Both guys have terrible complexions. And McCain looks dead-er and angrier than ever.