The 50 people who make Britain the utopian paradise it is today

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From the Jeff Stellin one-liners poll

definitely among the 50 People who make Britain the utopian paradiso it is today

― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Thursday, 16 October 2008 12:54 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

So, who are the other 49?

Billy Dods, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:01 (seventeen years ago)

um, Jeff Stelling one-liners poll.

Billy Dods, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:02 (seventeen years ago)

you only have to post the url :-P

100 tons of hardrofl beyond zings (Just got offed), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:02 (seventeen years ago)

I can't get with this new fangled technology

Billy Dods, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:04 (seventeen years ago)

the pinefox

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:05 (seventeen years ago)

Steady Mike

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:05 (seventeen years ago)

Steve Connor

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:05 (seventeen years ago)

Stevie T

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:05 (seventeen years ago)

James Joyce

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:05 (seventeen years ago)

Geoff Dyer

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:05 (seventeen years ago)

Roland Barthes

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:05 (seventeen years ago)

David Moore

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:05 (seventeen years ago)

Clement Attlee

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:06 (seventeen years ago)

Barack Obama

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:06 (seventeen years ago)

Pingu

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:06 (seventeen years ago)

Whoever invented the Robo-Pinefox on this thread.

Matt DC, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:06 (seventeen years ago)

Rob O'Pinefox

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:07 (seventeen years ago)

Who is David Moore?

Billy Dods, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:07 (seventeen years ago)

Tim Berners-Lee (apart from the whole internet thing obv)

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:07 (seventeen years ago)

Who Killed Davey Moore?

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:08 (seventeen years ago)

Clarkson.

the guy from top gear who nearly died

the old guy from top gear

the gum that i like has yet to come back in style (Roberto Spiralli), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:09 (seventeen years ago)

Didn't the Independent do something like this recently as a kind of anti-Quinton Letts thing? Can't find it online.

no amount of cajolery (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:09 (seventeen years ago)

Trampy-looking dude who appears on TV shows about horror films

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:10 (seventeen years ago)

would like to see, even it's awful shit (xp)

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:10 (seventeen years ago)

Auntie Quinton Letts

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:10 (seventeen years ago)

Serious answer, Sir Huw Weldon.

Billy Dods, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:10 (seventeen years ago)

Murray Walker

Ant Attack |=| (Ste), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:11 (seventeen years ago)

John Bluthal

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:11 (seventeen years ago)

DJ Martian
Stephen Moffat
my hot dentist

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:11 (seventeen years ago)

Roy Jenkins and Leo Abse.

Billy Dods, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:11 (seventeen years ago)

TV's Bradley Walsh, with crashing inevitability.

Westwood.

Desmond Carrington.

Eddie Prevost.

Me.

A. FIND MISSING LINK B. PUT IT TOGETHER C. BANG! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:13 (seventeen years ago)

who the fuck is Me?

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:14 (seventeen years ago)

Glen Daly
Glen Michael

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:15 (seventeen years ago)

you scots and your glens

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:15 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.kevchino.com/graffix/interviews/loscamp_interview.jpg

Points lost for Bikini Kill tee-shirt though

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:15 (seventeen years ago)

Charlie Harper

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:16 (seventeen years ago)

andrew marr

schlump, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:17 (seventeen years ago)

Johnny Marr

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:18 (seventeen years ago)

who's the cute stripey chick?

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:18 (seventeen years ago)

Shaft

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:19 (seventeen years ago)

The Independent's website somehow manages to be even worse than the actual paper.

50 National treasures;
A new book by the journalist Quentin Letts lists the people he believes have 'buggered up' Britain. But what about those who've changed things for the better? Simon Carr presents his roll of honour

BYLINE: Simon Carr

SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 14

LENGTH: 1400 words

1 Margaret Thatcher. For all her faults (FAHF), she smashed the consensus of the 1970s, that low, dishonest decade. The administrative class had settled on a job description "to manage the process of decline". She allowed those with talent to rise faster than their years. Her principle was "the many not the few". And for those who hate her - she shut more grammar schools than Tony Crosland.

2 Tim Berners Lee. He invented the world wide web and never tried to patent it. The single biggest invention in a generation might have made him the first trillionaire - but it seems he felt there were more important things in life than money.

3 Mandy Rice Davies. When told by a robed and wigged judge that Lord Astor had denied ever having met her she said: "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" The self-possession of her retort revealed to a whole class of society that they couldn't rely on the respect of their social inferiors any more.

4 Tony Blair. FAHF, he sold Britain into paying for Gordon Brown's amazing talent for public spending. Also, he declared the class war was over. Though hostilities had largely ceased some years before, the country at last believed him.

5 Sid Vicious. Wit, bon viveur, musical revolutionary. A continuing role mode for those who incline that way. Expressed a vigorous strain of the national character. He did it his way.

6 The copywriter for the deodorant ad Odo-Ro-No who came up with the concept of body odour (whispered, "Beee! Ohhh!"). Now, nobody smells like that and Tube journeys are possible.

7 Oz Clarke. The champion oenophile who showed by blind tasting that many cheap wines were as good as labels three times the price.

8 Norman Lamont. Getting us out of the ERM all those years ago started a run of relentless prosperity. We've been singing in our baths for 15 years.

9 The Queen. For 50 years she's never put a foot wrong in public life. Eternally respectable, responsible, knowledgeable. She has adapted slowly to the times and has been much mocked, but she has a grip on the hearts and minds of whole swaths of society.

10 Richard Ingrams. Created a permanent record of Britain's passing impulse to clobber the rich, the famous, the ridiculous. Also realised that Ian Hislop was his successor (that can't have been obvious at the time).

11 Richard Branson. The first popular entrepreneur. Floated his company and bought it back because shareholders just weren't worth it. FAHF, he keeps bigger, fatter concerns on their toes. He gave confidence to young Britons that they didn't have to be strangulated, effete, simpering fops.

12 The people who invented the Access card. It took the waiting out of wanting. The concept worked well for very many years, and may again.

13 Jamie Oliver. Food for the masses, yes. But he also remortgaged his house to pay for the school he'd set up, and didn't tell Mrs Oliver he'd done so. Rare courage.

14 David Dimbleby. Decent, quiet, modest, intelligent, well-mannered, purposeful ... what we used to call a gent. The weekly host of Question Time and role model of English decency in a bear pit of conflicting interests. I'd like my sons to grow up like him. I'd like to grow up like him myself.

15 Guy Ritchie. Indecent, noisy, exuberant celebrant of social types we would veer away from in private life.

16 Jim Slater. Our first well-known asset stripper dismantled under-performing firms and cleared the way for national economic growth.

17 Martha Lane-Fox. Not only did she practically create the fashion for weekend breaks in remote European capitals, she made money out of the internet.

18 Amy Winehouse. At last, someone has given rehab the name it deserves.

19 Princess Margarita. Eldest daughter of King Michael of Romania. She dumped the young Gordon Brown and gave him all that time to spend with politics. He might have become the King of Romania, but he preferred to serve.

20 Camilla Batmanghelidjh. Rare it is to find a Bird of Paradise in social work. She twice remortgaged her house to fund her work in Peckham.

21 Basil Edwards. My old English master, the type of teacher they write plays about. At his memorial service, one of his aged contemporaries observed: "He was unconventional, but an inspirational teacher." That "but" said much about the world we have grown out of.

22 Kate Moss. Obviously.

23 Bob Guccione. With no money, no reputation, no contacts, no position and no way to pay the printer, he produced the first issue of Penthouse and created a market for good looking pornography. He also gave Alastair Campbell his first proper job.

24 JK Rowling. Her writing is second-hand rubbish, but the children love it.

25 Jeremy Paxman. The reason we watch Newsnight, when we do.

26 Chris Morris. Where is he now? How we miss The Day Today and Brass Eye. Rumoured to have made a very funny comedy about Islamic suicide bombers. No one dares broadcast it.

27 The landlords of Marylebone High Street. The de Waldens. Who maximise profits by creating the right mix of shops in their freeholds - attracting smaller concerns with lower rents.

28 Damien Hirst. For industrial and commercial innovation. He got away with it.

29 Baroness Scotland. Civil partnerships. Well done!

30 Albert Pierrepoint. The most famous of Britain's executioners campaigned against capital punishment, and eventually won the argument.

31 Anita Roddick. She introduced a new theme into commercial discourse - one that many thought was irrelevant at the time. But ethics quickly became an innovative selling point.

32 Armando Iannuci. The Thick Of It is unprecedented and incomparable. The swearing (by Ian Martin) an entire genre in itself.

33 Gordon Brown (FAHF). His amazing public spending over the past 10 years means we can now get an appointment for an operation in a hospital.

34 David Cameron. We aren't aware of his faults yet, and he has lit up the political scene with freshness, intelligence and decency. No mean feat for a Conservative.

35 Boris. The only politician who attracts voluntary attention. Media and public press into committee rooms to see him. "What's everyone doing here? Pure routine. Prodding forward defence. Nothing to see," he says as we shoulder our way in. He has the first virtue of a democrat: to make government interesting.

36 John Major. Being the third consecutive non-middle class leader of the Conservatives he laid the ground for his successor. He also presided over the economic circumstances thatcreated the possibility of a 15-year economic boom.

37 Sir Norman Foster. Astonishing buildings. Soaring, imaginative, challenging. And if you don't like them - they won't last as long as a Georgian hovel.

38 Tanni Grey-Thompson. Yes, she can.

39 John Cleese (et al). Monty Python changed the way we laughed at things; sketch shows didn't need punchlines any more. Cleese is still funny, though Monty Python isn't.

40 Richard Curtis. Invented a particular form of floppy Englishness that makes us much more attractive to foreigners. One of the moving spirits - and much of the muscle - behind Comic Relief.

41 Dame Helen Mirren. The gentle eroticism. The acting. The parts. The modesty. The bikini.

42 Johnny Wilkinson. In the last moment of a bitterly contested World Cup final, the English fly-half took delivery of the ball behind a ruck and dropped a goal to win the 2003 championship in Sydney. He made us all believe that those stories we were told at school might yet be true.

43 Liz Hurley. This at least needs no explanation.

44 Sacha Baron Cohen. One of the few humourists to put himself in danger to make a joke. It is taking an uninsurable risk to make fun of the American national anthem in front of 10,000 Deep South rodeo-goers.

45 Peter Mandelson. You say "for all his faults". I say, "What faults?" It's impossible to look at him without smiling.

46 Tommy Cooper. So we still know that it isn't, after all, essential to be unkind to be funny.

47 Professor Tymms of Durham University, who produces education statistics that invariably undermine and often contradict official claims.

48 Max Mosley. For true pluck.

49 Banksy. Wit, verve, ingenuity, some physical courage. Art for those of us who don't like art.

50 The parliamentary sketch writers. Adornment to the constitution and vital ingredient of democracy. Would do yet greater work making jokes about the parliamentary process from Baghdad, Kabul or the Duma.

Do you agree with our choice? If not, email us with your Greatest Britons at tr✧✧✧@independ✧✧✧.c✧.u✧

bocken (j.o.n.a), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:21 (seventeen years ago)

the 1970s, that low, dishonest decade

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:23 (seventeen years ago)

http://yosemite-sam.net/Sam/Sam-Side.jpg

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:24 (seventeen years ago)

We've been singing in our baths for 15 years.

that water must be so disgusting by now

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:24 (seventeen years ago)

That is even worse than Quentin Letts' list.

ailsa, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:25 (seventeen years ago)

Lol Banksy.

Matt DC, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:25 (seventeen years ago)

43 Liz Hurley. This at least needs no explanation.

No, actually, it does.

no amount of cajolery (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:26 (seventeen years ago)

Willie Donaldson
Tinchy Stryder
Simon Barnes
Stan Tracey
Stanley Baxter

A. FIND MISSING LINK B. PUT IT TOGETHER C. BANG! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:27 (seventeen years ago)

Cleese is still funny, though Monty Python isn't.

Wrong on both counts.

Billy Dods, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:27 (seventeen years ago)

Jet Black
Massingberd

A. FIND MISSING LINK B. PUT IT TOGETHER C. BANG! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:27 (seventeen years ago)

The Anands - owner/managers of Curry Fever in Leicester. You rule.

no amount of cajolery (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:27 (seventeen years ago)

Oh, the bottom line should say Do you agree with our choice? If not, email us with your Greatest Britons at truth @ independent.co.uk

Truth?

bocken (j.o.n.a), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:29 (seventeen years ago)

Thomas Heatherwick

no amount of cajolery (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:30 (seventeen years ago)

Cleese is still funny, though Monty Python isn't.

Wrong on both counts.

HAHA yes this is totally backwards

Ant Attack |=| (Ste), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:30 (seventeen years ago)

Truth?

Is anyone going to vote for Dennis Greaves?

A. FIND MISSING LINK B. PUT IT TOGETHER C. BANG! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:32 (seventeen years ago)

Bob Guccione is American.

Mooncalf (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:33 (seventeen years ago)

Trevor Horn
Trevor Watts
Trevor Nelson
Trevor Bannister
Trevor Howard
Viv Stanshall
Neil Innes

A. FIND MISSING LINK B. PUT IT TOGETHER C. BANG! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:33 (seventeen years ago)

Pretty girls need no explanation I see.

Mooncalf (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:33 (seventeen years ago)

15 Guy Ritchie. Indecent, noisy, exuberant celebrant of social types we would veer away from in private life.

If they existed.

Mooncalf (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:34 (seventeen years ago)

Amyas Connell
Basil Ward
Colin Lucas

no amount of cajolery (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:35 (seventeen years ago)

Is anyone going to vote for Dennis Greaves?

Loved that album he did with Peter Blegvad

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:36 (seventeen years ago)

Nope, still no-one better than Jeff Stelling.

What no Stephen Fry, the stock answer for "national treasure"?

ailsa, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:37 (seventeen years ago)

18 Amy Winehouse. At last, someone has given rehab the name it deserves.

what? please spell out for me exactly what that name might be.

allez, allons-y, on y va (ledge), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:40 (seventeen years ago)

Richard Whiteley
Dennis Norden.

allez, allons-y, on y va (ledge), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:42 (seventeen years ago)

That's some rehab.

A. FIND MISSING LINK B. PUT IT TOGETHER C. BANG! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:45 (seventeen years ago)

obvious trolling, D-

100 tons of hardrofl beyond zings (Just got offed), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:45 (seventeen years ago)

All cast of I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue except for the crap new ones.

A. FIND MISSING LINK B. PUT IT TOGETHER C. BANG! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:46 (seventeen years ago)

I apologise, I didn't actually read the list properly, just saw lol Thatcher challop at 1 and lol Banksy at 50 and c+p'd it. If I'd seen how bad the rest of it is it could've had its own thread.

Nigel Blackwell, seeing as he hasn't been mentioned on this thread yet.

bocken (j.o.n.a), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:46 (seventeen years ago)

Nigel Blackwell's band play venues that charge an impossible 17 quid for entry, hence slightly behind Stelling

― 100 tons of hardrofl beyond zings (Just got offed), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:01 (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

100 tons of hardrofl beyond zings (Just got offed), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:47 (seventeen years ago)

Can we just write this thread off as a catastrophic failure and pretend it never happened?

Matt DC, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:48 (seventeen years ago)

Natasha Bedingfield
Alastair Gray
John Peel
Kevin Rowland
Tilda Swinton

A. FIND MISSING LINK B. PUT IT TOGETHER C. BANG! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:49 (seventeen years ago)

Can we just write this threadnation off as a catastrophic failure and pretend it never happened?

NickB, Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:50 (seventeen years ago)

Fuck off the pair of yers, there's some good names on here.

no amount of cajolery (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:54 (seventeen years ago)

I don't know why I take these things seriously.

no amount of cajolery (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:56 (seventeen years ago)

Peel's a good answer

Ant Attack |=| (Ste), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:57 (seventeen years ago)

tim smith

100 tons of hardrofl beyond zings (Just got offed), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:00 (seventeen years ago)

stop listing dead people

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:01 (seventeen years ago)

Tiger Tim Stevens
LBC's Steve Allen
Michael Holroyd
Kate Bush
Nick Lowe

A. FIND MISSING LINK B. PUT IT TOGETHER C. BANG! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:02 (seventeen years ago)

obvious pic url

"I List Dead People"

Mark G, Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:03 (seventeen years ago)

Clive Stafford Smith
JG Ballard
Eddie the Eagle

NickB, Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:04 (seventeen years ago)

rio ferdinand

coznebb (cozwn), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:05 (seventeen years ago)

tim smith

The guy from the Adverts? Yeah, absolutely, PUNK'S NOT DEAD!

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:05 (seventeen years ago)

I saw that Lydon butter advert. Punk is dead. Thank goodness.

A. FIND MISSING LINK B. PUT IT TOGETHER C. BANG! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:08 (seventeen years ago)

I was waiting for someone to mention that

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:09 (seventeen years ago)

In the spirit of Jeff Stelling, I hereby put in my regular vote for Sid Waddell.

It's not Nigel Blackwell's fault that tour promoters are money-grabbing cnuts, so Louis' objection doesn't count.

ailsa, Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:09 (seventeen years ago)

Am hoping the Tim Smith referred to is Steve Wright in the Afternoon's sidekick.

ailsa, Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:10 (seventeen years ago)

No it's not him, he's far more famous than the one Louis is talking about

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:12 (seventeen years ago)

I'm not really hoping it's him, if that weren't clear, except that I quite like the idea of Louis being the kind of guy that admires comedy sidekicks on Radio 2.

ailsa, Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:15 (seventeen years ago)

what is this "radio 2"

100 tons of hardrofl beyond zings (Just got offed), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:16 (seventeen years ago)

Confirmation of the thesis that politeness is the first line of defence of the existing order.

A. FIND MISSING LINK B. PUT IT TOGETHER C. BANG! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:20 (seventeen years ago)

Can't believe you guys are taking Simon Carr's thing at face value! I think it's pretty funny

The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:27 (seventeen years ago)

Terence Blacker to thread re. "taking Simon Carr's thing at face value" ALLEGEDLY.

A. FIND MISSING LINK B. PUT IT TOGETHER C. BANG! (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:36 (seventeen years ago)

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stfumato (wanko ergo sum), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:43 (seventeen years ago)

or something

stfumato (wanko ergo sum), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:43 (seventeen years ago)

Bob Guccione is American.

― Mooncalf (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:33

nobody said the people had to be British.

Also, Peel (John and Robert) and Jarvis (Martin and Cocker), yes.

CharlieNo4, Thursday, 16 October 2008 14:54 (seventeen years ago)

Blakey from "On The Buses"
Miliband's stylist

its cool bro i'm a rugby league player (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 16 October 2008 21:14 (seventeen years ago)

RAY MEARS
JAY SEAN

yungblut, Thursday, 16 October 2008 22:01 (seventeen years ago)

oh, and danny cipriani

yungblut, Thursday, 16 October 2008 22:01 (seventeen years ago)

the nation's favourite tranny-chaser

yungblut, Thursday, 16 October 2008 22:03 (seventeen years ago)

Patrick Moore
Morph
Rolf Harris
Bruce Dickinson
Riz Latif
Rob McElwee
Lisa Snowdon

Autobot Lover (jel --), Friday, 17 October 2008 16:42 (seventeen years ago)


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