Reading Harlod Bloom While Watching A film that you should have seen three weeks ago cause you have an exam tomorrow

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anthony, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

DUDE you have to ask? seriously though i saw Harold Bloom lecture on the Western Canon a couple of years ago and it was the DULLEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN! grrr...

katie, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and um goodluck with the exam! and sorry for calling you DUDE.

katie, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

haha two more victims for that 77k kOgAN-sinkaH !!EMAIL!! i think...

it depends which HB: at the risk of provoking phil masstransfer, his stuff on W.Canon = rub...

mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The anxiety of indolence?

Andrew L, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

also what is the film?

mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

andrew l: hahaha more like the anxiety of being VERY VERY DULL. ooh yes anthony what is the film?

katie, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This thread title keeps reminding me of le pastie de la bourgeoisie.

N., Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The film is titus the essay is on titus adronicus the only good thing out of his shakespare book i am going ot kick ass

anthony, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

eating yr own children in a pie, unbenownst: classic or dud

mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Classic, but only if the children have eaten pies beforehand making the child pie into a child stuffed with pie pie.

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Would that be called a pie pie child pie?

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nah, it paranthesises as (child stuffed with pie) pie, not child stuffed with (pie pie).

RickyT, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

pizza = pizza pie => pie = pie pie = pie pie pie pie = pie pie pie pie pie pie pie pie etc

mark s, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Last night I was reading A.R. Ammons who has two poems dedicated to Harold Bloom... while I should have been writing a paper that was due four weeks ago, etc, etc.

bnw, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

PIE

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

bloom sucks, yr wasting yr time/energy/brainspace

titus on the other hand roxos - if only shakespeare in skool had've been that much fun.

Queen G, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I tried reading that Western Canon book once a couple years back while puttering around my sister's house before Thanksgiving or Christmas or some turkey-eating holiday. After 15 pages of that stuff, who needs turkey? I think I actually dozed off multiple times before the meal was served. Thankfully, I remained groggy as the benefits of mail-order meat were discussed during the main course. Yeah, they deliver these huge steakzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

One of these days, I'll try again. And again. And again.

Daver, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh btw anthony the ILE categorization = excelsior! ((c) jel)

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bloom's recent work is mediocre, but The Anxiety of Influence is classic, and I'm glad someone champions Thomas Pynchon and Cormac McCarthy for the general American reading public. But it is awfully annoying to hear him say literature begins and ends with Shakespeare. One thing in his "canon" at the end of that book is admirable though. That's his omission of Kerouac, Ginsberg, and Burroughs.

bryan, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kerouac and Ginsberg are already dated.
This is the problem with the cannon though

anthony, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kerouac's "American haiku" are sublime!

Josh, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

some of them are decent and i think he is a better poet ten a prose writer , the beat that needs to be looked at w. more detail is Hunke. Now there is a great writer .

anthony, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One thing in his "canon" at the end of that book is admirable though. That's his omission of Kerouac, Ginsberg, and Burroughs.

Kerouac's poetry doesn't work at all on the page. It can work when read aloud in the right mood. Ginsberg definitely belongs in the canon based on his great '50s work: of course it's 'dated', but so what? Shakespeare is also pretty dated, in case you hadn't noticed. It's easy to dismiss Ginsberg for being the patron saint of bad indie poets, but "Howl" and "America" are still amazing works. Though Burroughs was easily the most talented of the lot (funny thing about the Beats is that only the really obvious ones - the Big Three - are any good; another funny thing is that those three writers have next to nothing in common) I'm not really surprised that Bloom stiffed him, since he seems a bit clueless when it comes to modern stuff.

Bloom also thinks Sylvia Plath is crap, which made me hate him when I was an angst-y teenager. Now I'm not so impressed with Sylvia anymore, but I still can't bring myself to like Bloom. Really boring writer, sucks all the life out of the classics. It also bugs me that he gets away with publishing all those pencil-thin books on classic lit for lazy college readers under his own name with some two- paragraph introduction he probably cranked out on his lunch hour. Those books can be useful, but on the other hand the thought of reading an actual book by him fills me with dread.

Justyn Dillingham, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
Jmmm, I was pretty harsh on Bloom, I've been going through his Shakespeare book and I actually really like him now. I think there's a lot of good stuff in there, including a very sensible discussion of Merchant of Venice. (Bloom sez the play is incoherent now because modern actors/directors make Shylock into "an Arthur Miller hero wandering around in a Cole Porter musical" but there's no way to get back the original play with its comic villain Shylock, for obvious reasons) He's good on the comedies (of which he likes As You Like It best because, as he confesses, he has a total PASH for Rosalind) but a bit vague on the higher tragedies, as his whole thesis rests on Shakespeare's most brilliant characterisations (Hamlet, Falstaff, Rosalind, Iago) stealing the show and transcending their plays. He does tend to repeat himself, to a ridiculous extent (take a drink every time he says something about the genius of "Falstaff" - for which he not-so-subtly encourages us to read Harold Bloom) and even that laziness, that unwillingness to edit himself, is part of his whole Falstaffian shtick.

Come to think of it he never really does anything to PROVE that "thesis" of Shakespeare "inventing the human personality," it's just an excuse for him to talk about his favorite author, which gives the book a strangely informal, rambling quality, like a slightly pompous but endearing old professor. Occasionally he rouses himself to bitch about modern (mis?)interpretations of S., which can be funny if frustratingly curt (Branagh's Much Ado Abt Nothing is bad because the scenery is distracting? What?) Here and there he slips into a weird pseudo-gnostic tone: "Shakespeare can read you better than you can read him," which pretty much kills ANY sort of criticism except Bloom's brand of hyper-Bardolatry (it's like Greil Marcus talking about Sleater-Kinney!). In the end, tho, I did rather enjoy the book.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Uh, for "Jmmm" read "Hmmm."

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:33 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
how the fuck did harold bloom die a month and a half ago with no acknowledgment on ile?!

and what, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

harold bloom's not dead

Mr. Que, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

ok harold bloom's body double, whatever.

That one guy that quit, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Bloom

Harold Bloom (July 11, 1930, New York - February 15, 2007)

and what, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

dear and what

please do not trust wikipedia for anything except laughs.

love

the internet

Mr. Que, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

ok i cant find any other refs but considering it took every newspaper almost a month for anybody to notice george trow was dead im not saying its a hoax

and what, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

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and what, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Umm, wtf??

Wikipedia mucking about?

But what's this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0867162/

Frogman Henry, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:13 (nineteen years ago)


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