is anyone interested in the Irish general election?

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Well, are they? sadly I don't think we have a Le Pen figure waiting in the wings to pique everyone's interest - unless I take this as my cue to enter politics!

DV, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Irish politics interests me because it's so completely different to our own, and because every Irish person I talk to has a different take on how it works (in terms of the constituency of the two main parties, for example). It's all so weird, but it gets me thinking about why people vote for parties in the seemingly more rational, policy-based world of British politics. I think we're a lot more tribal here than we tend to admit, and maybe that's not even a bad th

N., Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ing.

N., Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Interested? Most definitely, particularly in the performance of Sinn Féin.

Though they prefer to portray themselves as romantic revolutionaries I'd argue the narrow reactionary nationalism at the core of their ideology is, if not directly related, certainly comparible with the Front National.

stevo, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hmm.. it's not my perception that anti-immigrant sentiment feeling in Ireland has come from Irish nationalists at all, though. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think nationalism is a very different beast when it's borne of being colonised rather than being a colonial power.

N., Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sinn Féin are actually very progressive on issues relating to immigrants.

SF are a funny lot - you would think their nationalism and violent elements would send them to the far right, but their policies have a very cuddly element to them.

DV, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah but they give me a pain in the face with their fucking che guevara posters and VIVA LA REVOLUTION imagery. They're around college every day, it's like giving candy to fucking apes.

And whatever SF say, I'm not so sure about their core support being anyway liberal.

As it is I'll be voting for Fine Gael, you all know about my uncle etc. I'm almost tempted not to, because Nora Owen is the FG candidate in my constituency and she's a total muppet. But still, I can't not vote for Fine Gael, I'd feel too guilty.

Ronan, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Guilty because of your family or guilty because that is the way you believe your political affiliation lies.

What are the current predictions by the way?

Pete, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

jospin will win

mark s, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

is Garret your uncle, Ronan? Jaysus.

the illiberalism of SF's supporters v. the liberalism (or leftism, whatever) of SF's official positions is an interesting dialectic.

DV, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You could say the same about Labour here of course (not that I'm suggesting they're all illiberal or that they're more reactionary than Tory voters). Leaders across the Western world are more socially liberal, or if you like PC, than the electorate at large, I suppose. That's why people like Littlejohn and P.Hitchens can go on about a liberal elite and have some truth to their claim

N., Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I will be following Sinn Fein south of the border with interest. Do the SDLP have a southern Irish equivalent? (should I say Eirish, Eireann or what, I don't really want to say republican it doesn't mean the right thing).

Ed, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Look at Ed tiptoeing on egg shells. As I understand it, the Irish Labour Party is a bit rubb. Democratic Left is where it's at.

N., Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Irish, and Ireland. NEVER! Say Eire or Eireann. Hehe. It's odd, I'm not sure how Eire became popular in Britain.

Guilty because of your family or guilty because of your political affiliations

Guilty because my uncle (Michael N*onan DV btw, not Garret as you'd be forgiven for thinking) has some chance of being prime minister and since I like him personally I feel I should try and make it happen. In fact after considerable thought I decided FG would get my vote as long as he was in charge. Afterwards.....different story perhaps.

Ronan, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Are you joking Nick?

Ronan, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Eire became popular because people generally don't know how topronbounce it - therefore it was a good excuse to never, ever talk about Ireland - or Southern Ireland or The Republic Of Ireland (all names which may be correct or incorrect but bring up by their formation the thorny issue of Northern Ireland, which we really don't want to talk about).

Pete, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Free State was renamed Eire in the late 30s, right? That's why it became 'popular'. 'Republic' dates from more like 1948 I think. The names have overlapped. Probably there were people in the 70s who still called it the Free State.

I have always been baffled, or tickled, by post-war Eire's UNILATERAL redefinition of itself as The Republic, as if what had been agreed with England suddenly didn't matter.

One thing ILX has never discussed: Free Statists vs Republicans, Collins vs de Valera, compromise vs absolutism etc etc. I guess this is because its few Irish members would be more bored by such a discussion than its English ones.

the pinefox, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

fuck the brits, Pinefox.

Democratic Left merged with Labour a few years back.

The Eire thing... people here get really annoyed about it, I'm not entirely sure why. Our constitution begins "The name of the state is Eire, or in the English language Ireland". So there you go.

I think the Brits use Eire to differentiate free Ireland from the occupied six counties.

And there is no southern equivalent to the SDLP. SF are the only all- ireland party (apart from fringe groups like the Socialist Party, the Workers Party, and the Socialist Workers Party).

DV, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three weeks pass...
It's not looking too good here.... the party of corruption and the party of smashing people up with baseball bats are both making massive gains.

I am thinking of emigrating.

DV, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You wouldn't want to be in my house tonight..........dear oh dear I feel sorry for my uncle. It's a tough game is politics.

Ronan, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

you wouldn't to be in my Dad's house either, he's a rabid FFer and is probably dancing around the house now that Nora Owen has lost her seat.

I bet the soldiers of destiny will now fuck the country up so badly that my life will be blighted for the next fifteen years. It's 1977 all over again.

DV, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Myles tried to co-write a book called CHILDREN OF DESTINY c. 1935. Has anyone ever read it; or failing that, written it?

What's up with Fine Gael? How did they become HALF as popular as FF? I don't get it.

the pinefox, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

5 years of good economy, Bertie is far more marketable than say my uncle in the sense that he's got this image of being a bit of an idiot but he's our idiot. Bertie's pints of bass, Bertie's bag of chips in Drumcondra local chipper yadda yadda yadda. Fine Gael spin doctors appear to be shit, judging from crap election slogans like "Vision with Purpose". I mean even the average joe can tell that means nothing.

They lost 23 seats I think, despite their vote only dropping by 5 percent. So the problem is obviously that they got no transfers really. Labour did badly too and I bet they now regret not entering into a transfers deal with FG. Fact is, they were trying to be smart fuckers and hoped to get in with whoever did better out of FF or FG. They'll be kicking themselves now after winning one seat.

Looks like the PDs might be back in government with FF, what a nightmare.

Ronan, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm wondering whether Fine Gael might just decide to give up.

DV, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They should merge with Fine Fare.

N., Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's pronounced Feeana you British "gobshite" you.

Ronan, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Or perhaps even Feena might be better.

Ronan, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It is a visual joke. Prob. a v.unoriginal one too I am sorry.

N., Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh don't worry I just wanted to use an Irish insult like "gobshite". I was trying to think of a non offensive old 1916 rising type term for an English person but I failed.

, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one of the guys at work was talking about how a Christian Brother in their school used to batter people who pronounced the Fine in Fine Gael to rhyme with the Fianna in Fianna Fáil.

"No!" he would say, "They are NOT soldiers!".

DV, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

five years pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/02/ireland

the pinefox, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 11:09 (eighteen years ago)

sadly I don't think we have a Le Pen figure waiting in the wings to pique everyone's interest - unless I take this as my cue to enter politics!

o_O

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 20:48 (eighteen years ago)

you'd vote for le pen, you closet righty you

darraghmac, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 22:19 (eighteen years ago)

What does o_O mean? is it like you are a cyclops with your mouth wide open?

The Real Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 3 April 2008 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

There's never a "What's That?" thread around when you need one.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 3 April 2008 12:26 (eighteen years ago)


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