I mean, is there a cogent argument why Jonathan Ross isn't worth a thousand journalists?

russell brand - C or D?

1. He's a git

2. He never ever ever ever ever ever stops talking

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3. the haircut

There are, of course, differing degrees of Asperger syndrome.

4. Disproportionately high support base when talent like Paul O'Grady Graham Norton Ant & Dec Loose Women okay let me have a think about this one.

exactly!

The dilemma is that I cannot stand him but can't think of anyone better.

(that is still living/working)

he made They Think Its All Over completely unwatchable.

he made *.* completely unwatchable.

(warning: opinions)

2. He never ever ever ever ever ever stops talking

lol yes *shudderss* opinions. but i agree with this one as well

I'm struggling to try and think of anyone who made They Think It's All Over watchable!

I've no real antipathy toward him. I'm gonna miss not watching his talk show. He likes comics, so that's a plus. He's a big kid who has been given too much freedom, and got away with a lot. I can't think of any 'journalists' I like.

Also, don't forget, he's not PAUL Ross. Things could be worse.

I can't remember who was in Ross's place before?

actually yes, xp to Marcello, i hate Hancock too.

i always cringed when someone i liked went on his talk show (eg janet jackson, serena williams) - he'd do his thing of constantly interrupting them to make smut jokes or lech on them and generally take the piss, and they'd always end up sitting there with this rictus grin on their face, just enduring the awful experience of being bellowed at by this strange little man. listening to ross's voice really coarsens the soul.

agh flashback to when he read out janet's sexier lyrics in his retarded voice aaargh, brain brillo pad please

Paul ross. Now presenting on Bid-up TV...

Not this very second (prob)

Lex, most chat shows that aren't Parkinson do this. It's a shit format really regardless of whoever's hosting as they always end up looking like smug 'look at me' cunts, or complete sycophants, or both.

Fuck a thousand journalists, but he's easily worth the rights to a big sporting event or three or four big budget productions or something.

It occurs to me I have no real appreciation of the craft of presenting at all, on TV or radio, unless the presenter is doing news or sport or an election or something else where their job is to be as unobtrusive as possible.

parkinson was shit too!!

tyra's chat show is great, i watched her interviewing T.I. on youtube and it was excellent. like her first three qns were all variations of "i want to bone you right now" and then suddenly BOOM in with the jail/felony questions

i wish there was such a thing as a british tyra :(

Why is Tyra doing the "I want to bone you" routine good, but Ross doing it isn't?

first three qns were all variations of "i want to bone you right now"

Well, Jross did this, and Gwynneth hasn't had a jail felony...

xpost obv.

What's with the 1000 journalists nonsense? Do they only get 6 grand a year at the BBC?

"Fuck a thousand journalists" is not a cogent argument.

Why is Tyra doing the "I want to bone you" routine good, but Ross doing it isn't?

I was gonna say 'lady if you have to ask' but on a more serious note that's a pretty good way of lulling someone into a false sense of security. I mean, assuming TI wants to bone Tyra more than Janet Jackson wants to fuck Jonathan Ross, which I think is a fair assumption.

Sexually explicit Friday night TV for student/out the pub audiences, News at Ten.

Parkinson was great. He knew how to guide the guest into talking about the right things, and importantly he knew when to shut up. Yes he was a crotchety old bastard when faced with e.g. Meg Ryan but when put against Jonathan Ross he rates very highly indeed.

(Yeah I know, I was being facetious, I am aware that BBC journalism is better than journalism in most of the rest of the world.)

I think he emeans "JRoss is not worth a thousand jn's, but he is worth a cupfinal"

xpost but the comparison is: I mean, assuming TI wants to bone Tyra more than Jonathan Rosswants to fuck Janet Jackson , which I think is dunno...

Fact is, his chat show is easily the best thing on tv on Friday night, and, whatever you think about him (his tendency to talk too much, whether he's actually funny, the hateable way he tries to come off like he's 'edgy' one moment and safe for ma and pa the next), it's a reliably funny show. (I don't listen to him on the radio, fwiw.)

Why is Tyra doing the "I want to bone you" routine good, but Ross doing it isn't?

cuz tyra does it w/poise and humour (and not actually in terms as vulgar as "i want to bone you"), whereas ross kind of lurches across his desk like a drunk office creep and makes you long for a shower to ~cleanse~ yourself of his gaze.

and what matt said

omg that parkinson/meg ryan interview was an embarrassment - she wanted to have a serious discussion about a serious film that she'd clearly thought deeply about, and parkinson either dismissed or ignored or deliberately misunderstood everything she said. a clear case of "how dare you have serious thoughts about art on my light entertainment bullshit programme, i'm going to try to cut you down to size". thankfully meg was having none of it

They are different types of show though (Parky v Ross) - Parky is about the guests, FNWJR is about Ross as much (more?) than its about the guests. There's a reason Parky was prime-time Saturday night and JR is post-pub Friday telly. I agree he is a bit rapey with some of his female guests, but some guests give back as good as they get (Thandie Newton, Minnie Driver, for example), others should maybe think about sacking their agents for booking them onto a show that requires a modicum of humour to get through. As creepy as he is to female guests, I still cringe at his interview with Tobey Maguire who blatantly Didn't Get It while Kirsten Dunst sat next to him being smart, finding it hilarious, and was all but ignored.

some xposts there

One of my favourite Profanisaurus entries is still "wilty", as in "the state of awkwardness when someone is talking to someone they had a wank over a photo of earlier in the day, as best evidence when Jonathan Ross interviewed Dita von Teese"

It's spelled 'rilty'.

omg that parkinson/meg ryan interview was an embarrassment - she wanted to have a serious discussion about a serious film that she'd clearly thought deeply about, and parkinson either dismissed or ignored or deliberately misunderstood everything she said. a clear case of "how dare you have serious thoughts about art on my light entertainment bullshit programme, i'm going to try to cut you down to size". thankfully meg was having none of it

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Yep, and Parky spent the next 2348272389742987432 years of his career banging on about how ghoulish she was. But he's still better than Jonathan Ross.

xpost to ailsa
Ross's DOM routine usually works when the guests can usually give as good as they get, it doesn't work when they're not in on the joke.

I didn't see the Janet Jackson interview but I must have watched a different one with Serena Williams as she seemed to be really enjoying it and played along with his persona, plus if she was so uncomfortable with it she wouldn't have went back on his show another two times.

ew it's the worst when he interviews american celebs who thought they were signed up for a 'cup of tea' chat show.

Nah, those can be great.

the "can you say that on TV?" face...

Has he ever done Mariah Carey?

Ring her grandad!

I thangyeew...

Or Paris, for that matter?

Mariah Carey was on Paul O'Grady, so she must have done Ross?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_guests_on_Friday_Night_with_Jonathan_Ross

Nope, neither.

Results 1 - 10 of about 320,000 for reality has a liberal bias. (0.20 seconds)

haha

not a reactionary git, just an idiot

:D

The BBC isn't going to be so pro-Tory when they start to systematically dismantle it later this year.

You'd be amazed how much finding out your bit *isn't* being dismantled can sway your opinion. The people being chopped won't have a big platform from which to make noises and the people staying in work will stfu and keep cashing the cheques.

):

the bbc is actually pretty big...amazingly many people working there are just trying to cover stories neutrally because they work day to day, on a story, on a programme, not for the views of the entire corporation.

there are so many women there!

and what if...that increased diversity had contributed to the perceived liberal bias. chicken/egg scenario tho.

women can be conservative too. there was that one woman, forget her name -- quite shrill.

mrs bucket

BBC diversity levels etc. just a good snapshot of changing 'middle class' demographic, nothing more or less. Some of those people read the Guardian, others the Mail. Still others have to read all of the papers because it's, like, part of their job to.

people love the mail in my office, not cos they're right wing, but cos it's a good source for tv stories...

surely the middle class demographic hasn't really changed, it's just literally a bit less white and male (and old?)?

but cos it's a good source for tv stories...

yeah that's my Mum's excuse. she's just gone back to the Beeb as it happens.

BBC diversity levels etc. just a good snapshot of changing 'middle class' demographic, nothing more or less.

possibly *london* middle-class demographic.

but it's more specific even than middle-class, isn't it?

RTE- bible class

bibble class

middle cross

im not a member of the metropolitan media elite so don't know what youse are on about.

Apart from some of the music people, for whom there is working -> middle class mobility, I feel like whoever's going to work there (regardless of race/ethnicity) is probably from some permutation of the middle class, but within that, white lower middle class types are not acceptable to the higher-status white people doing the hiring. This is how chips become balanced on the shoulders of certain gringos.

Come June they'll just put Top Gear on 24 hours a day - bias corrected!

Claudia Winkleman named as presenter of new-look Film 2010

eh i kinda hate her.

I actually don't mind her.

well i did only say 'kinda'

http://listicles.thelmagazine.com/wp-content/upload/ironhide_facepalm.jpg

although i guess anyone who isn't kermode is alright with me?

I don't mind her either but isn't this is a bit too much of "a proper job" for her?

yes FILM 2010 is an important and vital programme since the internet stopped working.

She's married to the producer of Kick Ass, btw.

a hoy hoy posted her in WS iirc? she already looks smashed enough tbh

eh, thats before i wiki'd her and noticed that she is actually pretty fucking evil

jesus that's worse. smash/don't smash but never consider personality imo

She's beige enough to do this job perfectly adequately imo

she really brought something to fame academy after hours iirc.

The beeb should have got Jenny Powell in.

Should've got Alex Cox in, now that would be worth watching.

Yeah, I remember his "cult film" series. Including "Repo Man", the bashful

She's married to the producer of Kick Ass, btw.

really? isn't jonathan ross's wife the screenwriter of Kick Ass?

jane goldman? damn, i was gonna see that.

I for one welcome our new Kick-Ass overlords of film reviewing.

Matthew Vaughan is the main producer, and he's married to Claudia Schiffer.

CW's husband started out as a PR at Freud.

is this him?

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108/Rubixcubeofyou/GreenPowerRanger.jpg

looks suspiciously like the Kick Ass guy...

more importantly, when are they going to drop the 20? fucking dumb-downers

Claudia W's husband is mates with Matthew Vaughn, and they make films together. And I read too many shitty magazines.

The thing with CW is that a few times I've seen her on other people's shows and she seems OK, like she might be kind of fun and witty, but on her own shows she is so desperate to give off this gushing persona of being brazenly in love with celeb culture beyond all things while also playing it in a way like she's trying to make you question whether it's all ironic and really she's a bro acting like a GURL for laughs but just ends up in a big wacky Davina-esque annoying whirl.

Didn't mind Wossy too much on Film actually.

Well, so does Wossy on other TV shows, but in the big armchair he visibly relaxes and the TV 'persona' isn't evident.

So, it could happen the same for CW.

http://i.imgur.com/0C02U.jpg

morrissey's not looking well these days