Not All Priest fuck kids and the church is trying to sort it out

By the way it is not appropriate to print this page out and then throw it away.

Celibacy may breed devoted priests (I'm not sure about this one actually) but celibacy (as well as unsupervised access to children and the protection of a church) certainly seems to be a perfect place for sexual predators.

Sexually predatory priests need to be sent to jail. Parents who molest their own kids need to go to jail. Sexual predators and child abusers need to go to jail. Period. This is not a cureable sickness, it's a fucking crime. This hand-wringing and namby- pambying around sexual predation sickens me. These are children at risk (woo hoo, "Think of the children"). I'm not gonna take the abusers side in this, they can rot in jail for the rest of their lives as much as I care about them. The way our criminal justice system reacts to child abuse/molestation is abyssmal enough that the Catholic Church protects these fuckers is even more abyssmal.

I mean which is it? Personally I think if you start talking about prison in terms of "punishing these bastards" then there's something wrong.

not entirely sure whether i believe it or not, but a recent study claimed that about 80% of paedophiles who have been imprisoned don't reoffend.

as for the abolition of celibacy, i'm for it - juggling family and parish seems to have worked for church of england vicars. even at that, why do people think that this child abuse is a consequence of enforced celibacy? has more to do with sick people than sick roolz, i think.

I really don't know where I stand on this - the emotive argument is very string and I don't like much of the language I have used above to describe it. But I think if you are going to use the sick to describe them then you should also accept the possibility that sick people are usually not responsible for their sickness. ('Cept the bird on Hollyoaks with throat gonohrea).

the justice system is entirely flawed, but i can't think of any viable alternative. rehabilitation alone is not enough.

i hate picking flaws when i can't think of a solution

The demonisation of paeophilia is emotionally understandable but it creates a big problem - if you are a paedophile who has never offended but feels the urge and desire to, where can you go for help? The most urgent need in dealing with child abuse isn't punishment, surely, it's stopping it happening in the first place.

That all said, the line in the sand is clear. Once one moves beyond fantasy into the realm of action, "sickness" is no excuse, "genetics" is no excuse, you are committing a crime against another human being and it should judged as serious as any other crime. Serial killers are supposedly "sick" and are compelled to kill too if their own stories and the medias tales are to believed. Create a prison solely for pedophiles if you like. The only thing I care about is that people who committ crimes against children are removed from society and unable to reduplicate their crimes again and again and again. The line once crossed is crossed and going back is not an option.

I'm not sure what the exact sentences are for child molestation in the US are, but I know for certain that parents that molest children rarely get more than a slap on the wrist and that repeat offenders (60 plus victims) are often released. This is unacceptable. This is the problem here. We are creating a nation of damaged children who will beget another generation of damaged children. This circle has to stop.

But the point I was making isn't really about punishing paedophiles, it's about the creation of this extreme hate-figure, 'the paedophile', who cannot be redeemed. The extremity of the hate means that potential paedophiles probably feel that the only people who could possibly understand or sympathise with them are active paedophiles, and that way lies tragedy. Especially if the reason you have sexual desires for children is because you yourself were abused and it was normalised for you.

I don't know what the solution is really - I agree that there's a line that is crossed, I'm just saying that society and the law should be trying to make sure that line isn't crossed in the first place - and that goes for ALL kinds of crime.

Is this normal?

Yours,

Desperate in Dublin.

Actually I feel this about crime in the abstract, if someone says "paedophilia" or "murder" or "mugging" I don't feel anything - but a report of an actual specific crime with specific victims can make me really boil with anger.

You say this as if it was something new.

Right, Muslims are more flexible with their religion - allowing teenagers to strap a bomb to themselves and blow themselves up and others along with them - all in the name of Allah! Go, fly a plane into a building, and when you die and go to heaven there will be 7 virgins waiting for you. Train very young children to be terrorists, the "leaders" are not going to blow themselves up, they are training the young ones to do that - it is called "brainwashing" - they are trained to hate, kill, and destroy anyone who is not a muslim.

Yeah, that is real flexible.

As for pedophiles, there is no cure, except for castration - that is the only cure. Pedophiles imprisoned for years will tell you themselves, if they come out of prison, they would do it all over again because their attraction to children is so great...that is all they think about in prison - getting out and having sex with children. (from documentary aired on TV last year)

Celibacy does not make a pedophile and marriage does not cure it.

You're a fascinating and intelligent young man. Tell me, when you wake up in the hospital after yet another evening of drunkenly picking fights with anyone not exactly like you and then collapsing in a stinking heap, don't the staff on duty get tired of having to explain to you that the porridge in your brain cavity is susceptible to easy leakage through the Saran Wrap that's in place of your skull?

1) Read posts a little more carefully before responding to them. It was pretty clear that I was speaking of flexibility solely in terms of their respective birth control policies, a fact you might have realised if you had bothered to read the other fucking thread!?!?! Why you felt the need to post your bit of ill-informed racist nonsense is beyond me, but it might have something to with the fact that you should:

2) Get your head out of your ass. While I'm not one to advocate any of the collective psychoses we call religion, I must say your over- simplified doofus-y view of Islam might benefit from a perspective a little broader than watching HARD COPY.

Investigators appointed by the Vatican have been instructed to review each of the 229 Roman Catholic seminaries in the United States for "evidence of homosexuality" and for faculty members who dissent from church teaching, according to a document prepared to guide the process...

"Not All Me fuck kids, man"

My mum is having to go through all kinds of psychological tests to make sure that she's sane and has no odd paedophillic tendencies and would make a good priest .... the irony being that often the "best" or most charismatic and inspiring religious figures of the past have been completely bonkers and wouldn't make it past the selection process these days.

Like Bush saying (paraphrased) "One out of four shootings results in a fatality. These numbers aren't good enough."

Phila. Priest Accused Of Stealing $900,000
PHILADELPHIA (AP) ―
A priest who led the largest Roman Catholic high school in Philadelphia stole $900,000 and used some of it to ply a student he had molested with drugs and alcohol, prosecutors said Thursday.

The Rev. Charles Newman became president of Archbishop Ryan High School in July 2002 but was fired 15 months later when questions arose about his handling of school finances.

Forensic audits show he stole $331,000 from the school and more than $500,000 from his religious order, the Franciscan Friars, District Attorney Lynne Abraham said.

Newman, 57, gave $54,000 to former student Arthur Baselice III, who later sued over what he described as a sexual relationship with Newman that started when he was a high school junior.

The pair would meet at Newman's office or residence and often used drugs together while having sex, prosecutors said.

Baselice unsuccessfully sued the archdiocese and spoke publicly about the case before dying of a drug overdose on Nov. 30, 2006. He was 28 and had struggled with addiction to cocaine, marijuana and alcohol, according to his lawyer, Jay N. Abramowitch.

The indictment unsealed Thursday charges Newman with six counts of felony theft and one count of felony forgery, the latter stemming from his alleged use of another friar's signature stamp.

The deadline for filing sex-abuse charges in Pennsylvania had passed before Baselice raised the claims.

Prosecutors believe that Newman sexually abused at least three or four other underage students during his time at Archbishop Ryan, where he spent nine years as principal and 13 years as a religion teacher before his promotion to president.

After his dismissal from the school, Newman was sent to a treatment center for priests and now lives at a Franciscan retirement home in Pulaski, Wisc., where he remains a restricted member of the clergy, authorities said.

Abraham's office will seek to extradite him to Philadelphia in the coming days.

It was not immediately clear if he had retained a criminal lawyer. A message left in the general mailbox of the Assumption Friary in Pulaski, Wisc., was not immediately returned Thursday.

PAEDOPHILADELPHIA

c'mon catholic church, sort it out, willya?

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Not All Priest listen to teenpop and the church is trying to sort it out