Is Dawson's Creek fucking people up, basically? By portraying unrealistic and unattainable relationships, by portraying beautiful people with expansive vocabularies as still incapable of having decent relationships, is Dawson's (combined with various other factors) raising a generation of people (girls) who can't deal with real human feelings and relationships? "If Pacey and Joey can't be happy how can I ever be?" Is this, considering the fact that most young men are emotionally retarded, a contributing factor in the decline of decent relationships in our societies and our resultantly ever-more-needy natures as we seek solace and satisfaction in increasingly more decadent and expensive and emotionally vapid ways?
Or am I taking a dodgy US teen soap too seriously?
― Nick Southall, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Matt Fallaize, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
also it's a bit weird saying "our children" in the thread then talking about women the same age as you
― mark s, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― DG, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
I sort of agree but this may be just a contrarian respect for the stiff-upper-lip culture combined with a naive willingness to strip it of its political aspects. Also I never watch TV and am still no more emotionally stable than anyone else I know. I think the problem certainly isn't that people are comparing themselves to TV characters, though.
― Tom, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― felicity, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
I'd chose My So Called Life over Dawson's Creek anytime. Who's with me (and against me)?
― Lindsey B, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Fave bit of Fight Club - Jared Leto gets pasted.
Fave bit of Requiem For A Dream - Jared Leto gets amputated.
Can anyone add anymore pieces of filmic destructio of Jared Leto's pseudo-perfect form?
― Kiwi, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― anthony, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Jared/Jordan got chopped up by Christian/Patrick in American Psycho!
I cut Jordan some slack when he played Jawbox (a band not an object) in his car.
― Andy K, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Jordan, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
He gets axed in the face in American Psycho. It's a beautiful thing.
Anyhow, I'm an emotional retard without watching Dawson's Creek, thank you. One of my better friends from school, or at least the one I most fondly remember, was a boy in our crew who looked just like Dawson. If that's even the main character's name. That blonde guy. Is he Dawson? James Van Der Beak???
― Ally, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Ron, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
i guess i just admitted to seeing the show, oops.
― keith, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― bnw, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
He gets axed in the face in American Psycho. It's a beautiful thing. Ah..but he also gets shot in the head in Panic Room, and we get to watch all his brain bits and blood pour out onto the floor.
― JC, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
And fuck you you gin-smoking crack living realist. I was majorly fucked in the head long before I ever heard the name Pacey and got shivers up my P Spot.
― Queen G, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
you are talking about 5 ppl = of course it can be a coincidence. also surely the causality could be the other way round???
― toby, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― dave q, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Is pop culture a conspiracy to fuck us up so we take more psychotropics?
Do Coca Cola (for example) use sex as an advertising tool not because we like sex and will associate it with their product, but so that we have enough sex to ensure more babies to buy their product in the next generation?
I sense a revolution...
― Nick Southall, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― RickyT, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― gareth, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Emma, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― francesco, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― jel --, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Alan T, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Dawsons Creek = Science Fiction.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Hahahahaha, ahem
As If though. Now THERE'S a fantastic teen drama.
1) big words are good; 2) it's advisable to be friends with more than three people; 3) moralising grandmothers are objectively funky; 4) knowing intellectually that life sucks doesn't make it easier to accept it or to see how that general suckiness is affecting you; (this is a Freud thing BTW); 5) perfect relationships != "perfect relationships"; and 6) if you do sleep with the perfect person they will turn into an evil vampire.
Ooops, sorry, the last one was Buffy. But go watch that instead - it re-articulates all the good stuff that Dawson's Creek puts forward, adds a considerable amount extra and avoids DC's air of crapness.
― Tim, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Yes yes but he was in the Frozen Embryos and he was also a GRATE leaner.
Fifteen = best teen drama soap evah.
― Andy K, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Unfortunately, yes.
― Ally, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― DG, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Ronan, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
"If Pacey and Joey can't be happy..."
How are these two sentenves compatible?
(I wuv Dawson's and am currently worrying about the claims it's only a fantasy world)
― Graham, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
Fairytale lifestyle yadda yadda yadda.
And isn't someone being told they're special and they're fantastic from an early age a recipe for disaster in a world which may not ever really acknowledge this.
― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― The Original Queen G, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― N., Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)
― Pete S, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Brittany, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)
Except in M's case it's the other way around! Ha, I can say that cuz he won't curse at me in front of a 14-yr-old.
Anyway, everyone's glad you're here Brittany, and you've done a great job of answering ridiculous questions with reasonable answers. Though I still say No Doubt is bad for the youth.
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)
Politics is supposed to be about helping people, right?
― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)
You think too much!
― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)
Pete, you feel too much!
Keith, you use too many exclamation points!
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)
Somewhat mistaken
― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)
dude: laws, sausages and record reviews, know what I'm saying?
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)
Damn! Exclamations marks are fun! I will use them all the time now! Thanks, Keith, for inspiring me in this fashion! You won't regret it!
― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)
'Twas a silly gag anyway
― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)
And no, irony is hard to pull off here. That's what we all sound even jerkier than we are.
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)
I thank you for giving me this phrase.
― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 05:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)
I've never watched an episode all the way through. It's mind-numbing.
― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)
I will say, though, that I've seen shows like Dawson's work as a kind of screwed-up wish fulfillment for scenester-types in their 20s (and 30s). What's usually written off as a cliched "fear of committment" in these post-kids seems to me more a love of the melodrama that comes from drifting through inadequate, serially monogamous relationships. I think the appeal of DC for people who are demographically "too old for it" is tied in with this.
All that said, I'm sure last season must have severely drained the serotonin out of the diehards who hadn't already had their expectations crushed. (Just like last season's Buffy did to me.) As an outside observer, I thought DC '02-03 was one of the most fascination car-crashes in recent TV history, and I couldn't look away.
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)
May i say I feel AMBIVALENT towards YOUR tits, HOWEVER?
― Pete S, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― Brittany, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Brittany, Sunday, 23 November 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Sunday, 23 November 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― Brittany, Sunday, 23 November 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 23 November 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Brittany, Monday, 24 November 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 1 April 2004 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)
BTW, that song is all about anal sex.
― Queen G of the morning after, Thursday, 1 April 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)
I give up, we're all fuckeda pile of bodies for the dustbin manit was a party where the truth spilled outand people woke up with a different plana skinny hippy, in the kitchendoing magic - turning water into wineit looked dodgy but it tasted fine...
wrap me up in sellotapebind my body to my mistakesthe daily mail readers have defeated mespend another sunday watching dawson's creek
I was a scientist until I was 22I had an education ready for usebut mother nature gave me head on the beachand she hung out of reach until I begged for herI told her everything... I told her too muchI told her everything... I told her too muchI told her everything... (you always do that)
we will carry on and on without youwhen you leave the room without youbreathe the open air, remember why you're thereor you will be the first against the wallwhen the revolution comes - we'll be having fun
wrap me up in sellotapebind my body to my mistakesthe dumb motherfuckers have defeated mespend another sunday watching dawson's creek
vs.
You think you know it all,I see it in the way you’re speaking.The long words that you use,Are starting to get irritating,I’ve got the urge to knock you out,And i can’t handle this. The ladder outside your bedroom windowReally takes the piss
Step back take a look where you’re at,You’re just a raving Dawson’s maniac...
You think that you know everythingTake one step back and look at yourselfI think you dont know anythingAll my friends think that youre such a freakAnd your just a Dawson’s geekDawson’s Dawson’s geek
Why cant you see that you dont look like himin anywayAt least that kid has friends and thats alot morethan you can sayyouve lost your mind and i dont think that youknow who you areNaming you dog ‘Pacey’ was taking things a little too far
step back take a look at where youre atyoure just a raving Dawson’s maniac...
I guess I’ll have to wait for your life to be over,I guess I’ll have to wait,I guess I’ll have to wait...
Oi!Oi!
I think you dont know anythingAll my friends think that youre such a freakAnd your just a Dawson’s geek.
(One of those songs plagiarised one of our songs, so obviously I'm picking the other.)
― Super-Kate (kate), Thursday, 1 April 2004 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 21 June 2004 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)