Ask Dr. Freud in ghastly murder-suicide shockah? You decide.

yeah, this is very coincidental, if not

i can see how you'd become obsessed by finding out

the thing that makes it GAH is this guy's "I'm going to talk at length about marriage to you in some pretty high tones" ("hand in hand, on your wedding day") and the lack of details in the guy-killed-wife-then-self story - if they are the same guy, then we get vague yet creepy insight into what might have gone on in the news story.

"inconclusive" is the right vote of course but I would not be surprised.

also, suggest ban Justin Norman, justin case

First Dante and Aja, and now these two?

If this article is anything to go by, it's fair to say that God orchestrated the murder-suicide in order to bring Justin & Jaclyn's bereaved families closer together as brothers and sisters in Christ. As far as I'm concerned, it's a closed case.

also, suggest ban Justin Norman, justin case

I lol'ed out loud.

People who lol at others' misfortunes are sick and twisted souls, etc.

You have to wonder what brought the guy that particular thread two days before his wedding. Did he google "gay" + "fiance"? "cancelled" + "wedding"? "feeling devastated"? Either way, I imagine he came to the thread with some personal baggage, and he decided to leave a message that would serve the double purpose of comforting Katie and easing his worries about his own marriage. He seems like an empathetic guy with a mature (if idealistic) approach toward relationship issues -- but obv that doesn't earmark him as a future murderer, unless there's a double meaning to his advice "the 'solution' is right here for you."

Why yes, unregistered, I'm sick and twisted. Just lol'ed at the suggest ban, take it easy.

It wouldn't be the first murder-suicide perpetrated by an ilxor

are you going to explain this or what

I have been wondering about this too.

Chaki's suicide bomb

are you going to explain this or what

no

Really good article on Psychopaths from the NYer that has a short statement on the power of influence from working psychopaths on psychologist.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/11/10/081110fa_fact_seabrook?currentPage=all

I'm kind of shocked. I suppose the chances are that it's going to happen eventually but I'm no mathematician.

WHY IS ADRIAN STILL BREASTFED?

That NYer article deploys the word "empurple," and to great effect!

looks like he hit up a few more threads before the big day:

Control

Well, being a guy I think people like that are Assholes. There are nice people out there, it's just hard to find them.
Let me teach jack asses a lesson. Stop being a dick and treat women with respect also. Who the hell do you think you are? Are you any more special then the person next door?
By the way, if I ever see a man hit a lady I will kick his fucking ass into the ground. Oh, I'm wise too, I'll make him throw the first punch. Hiting back then can be labled as "self defense". After all I am defending the woman.
Why the hell as an adult can't you learn to treat all people with respect and diginity? Is that so hard to do? How would you like to be treated like you are two years old all day? It would get old pretty quick I feel.
My point is made. Hope you feel better Melanie.

― Justin N., Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:42 AM (4 years ago)

General

What about anyone here, are you married?

― Justin N., Thursday, 15 April 2004 05:43 (4 years ago)

heh, i am i guess.

it's shithouse i'm afraid.

― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Thursday, 15 April 2004 05:44 (4 years ago)

This is the thread where we are HAPPY:

...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Well, I am log'n off to get some shut eye. I know I am not that good with this type of communication. I am new to this site. I am better at writing long essays or pomes. Oh well, thanks for putting up with me!

― Justin N

log'n off

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/the-blender/files/2008/05/kenny.jpg

I agree about going to bed. I have a busy day latter and on Friday I am getting married.

― Justin N., Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:38 AM

Trying to think of some mixed metaphor here that combines sifting through the entrails and scraping through the barrel.

I still want unregistered to tell us wtf he's on about with the so called "other murder-suicide".

sorry, Trayce, I'm afraid I'm not at liberty to discuss the incident on a public message board.

http://archives.ecmpublishers.info/static/ABC/2007/may/25murdersuicide.html:

David Johnson, Blaine's safety services manager and chief of police, confirmed Justin Ashley Norman, 27, 9220 Quemoy Court N.E., used a knife and hatchet to fatally wound his wife, Jaclyn Bernice Norman, 27, before taking his own life by jumping from a nearby freeway bridge.

Johnson confirmed Justin Norman called Anoka County emergency dispatchers at 1:38 a.m. Wednesday, May 23, 2007.

http://marriage-divorce-records.mooseroots.com/d/c/Justin-Norman
https://www.moms.mn.gov/Search.aspx?S=1:

County: ANOKA
Certificate Number: M040193
Marriage Date: 03/08/2004
Applicant 1: NORMAN, JUSTIN ASHLEY
Applicant 2: MAUCH, JACLYN BERNICE

I understand. I am getting married three days from now on April 16, 2004 to my fiancée Jaclyn. I have heard this before from women. This man is the "one”, you feel it. You care deeply for this guy so much that you love him no matter what.
What this dream suggests is that you possibly may have been hurt emotionally or physically before in a relationship (I hope that I am wrong). This could also suggest that you have had hard relations with your father growing up, or are currently having troubled relations with him.
Trusting men is hard for you to do; it takes a while for you to "open up" to a man. Because it took a while to fully open up to the one and you are not fully trusting with men you are scared that your fiancée will leave you and abandon you like "the others". There is nothing wrong with that.
The truth of the matter is that he has been there for you, even possibly through something major in your life. The fact that his sister took you to pick up someone at the airport (could it be him?) in your dreams suggests that she too sees the real love you and your man have by always being there for each other when it counts. Because of this trust you developed a close relationship with her as well (or closer if you knew her before you met “the one”).
In this dream it shows she could not depend on her brother as well at the time (moved out) and her brother also let her down by letting you down (by him not marring you). Because of this close relationship she has built with you, she chooses you, not someone else to go to the airport with in your dreams (if it’s picking up her brother she could have gone alone to talk to him). You both are hurting. She wants you to comfort her just as much as you want her to comfort you.
Because you choose to go to the airport even though you were emotionally hurt shows that you also know that his sister is dependable and will always be there for you during tough times as well (like having to face him at the airport?), just like you have always been there for her.
Also, in your dream you now need to depend on somebody else by having his sister there for you because you feel the need to fill the “void” of losing “him” by receiving genuine caring from someone to help make you feel alive again.
This dream strongly suggests hope. It shows that you actually don’t need to go somewhere or to someone else to find and fill this void. Someone is already there to fill this void for you as I type.
The “solution” is right here for you, has been here for you, and will always be here for you. Just like his sister, “He” is there, you know it. Just as you know that he will be there for you in July of this year, his hand in your hand, on your wedding day.
Go with that knowledge and take it into your marriage. If you truly love each other as strongly as this dream tells me your marriage will be wonderful and something truly special. Take care Katie.
-Justin

― Justin Norman, Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:12 AM (11 years ago)

:(

Surely a marriage certificate could be issued before the actual wedding, though?

yeah, that's why I think it's (pretty solid) evidence that this is the same Justin Norman. but idk if I should be proud that my internet sleuthing skills have improved over the past 7 years or ashamed that I ever started a shitpoll about a real-life murder-suicide.

(and I'm not sure why I googled this particular random googler in the first place)

smdh that no one has made a podcast about this

Woah

Oh hell. I don't think I've ever seen this thread before.

Brrrr