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Can boys and girls be best friends?

Of course lots of people say NO NO it will all end like Mr Dawson and that nice Joey girl. I mean, really best friends. Obviously they can be good friends. I'm talking about best friends.

Actually on that topic do you have a single best friend? It's just I've got this friend and he's looking for a date.........NO seriously folks ho ho I mean a single best friend who you get on with better than everyone else, no offence to everyone else etc.

And could this be a member of the opposite sex if so?

Ronan, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

New distract me from writing about Hitchens/Chomsky for the millionth time answers.....

Ronan, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's possible. I have many very close male friends I would never dream of doing anything with. Not because they are unattractive, just because. But, that said, there are others that have not been so platonic.

Anna, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes. No. Yes. Next question.

Pete, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes. Kinda. Yes.

Graham, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Speaking for me, good friends yes, best friends no. But I haven't had a best friend since primary school, so the question doesn't really arise in that form. But I have in the past got too close to women as friends because I was scared of the rejection that making a move sexually would bring. And that is the road to hell.

N., Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's particularly bad when you realise you don't actually find their personality anyway interesting anymore and you've gone and made this pseudo friendship.

Ronan, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The people I have considered to be best friends have all been women. I think this is cos I have allocated different jobs to different friends based on their skills and stuff and the blokes just aren't very good at: shopping, slagging off men, bitching (in a certain girl- only way, they can still be mean), gossiping etc.etc. They are good at drinking & making me larf though.

Emma, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

1) Yes. Probably works best if either girl or boy or both is gay, OR they have known each other since before puberty.

2) I probably have more than one best friend if that is possible; I get on better with each of them than anyone else, in different ways

3) Yes, some of them are boys.

I think you CAN even be best friends with someone when relations between you haven't always been platonic.

Archel, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I ask this because when I think about it I don't really get on with any of my female friends aswell as my male ones. This may be (a)due to my rampant immaturity (very likely) or (b)due to a combination of (a) and the reasons Emma gave, ie my male friends are more suited to doing the kind of things I enjoy.

I ask this also because I do have a best friend, lucky me, and I wonder if I could ever be that close to a girl without a non platonic relationship ensuing.

As a deeper question I guess I should have added, do you think there are essential differences between men and women, if so, what are they, and can we eat them?

Ronan, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To sort of vaguely answer this I think another of the reasons I consider women to be 'best' friends and men to be just good friends (no I don't know Paul Nicholas) is that men are, in my experience, useless in times of emotional crisis, and when I am having one I will always want to talk to a girl not a bloke.

Emma, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(I mean when I am having an emotional crisis, not when I am having a man.)

Emma, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no I don't know Paul Nicholas

Yes you do. You bloody introduced me to him. Quick! Call Nick Ross.

N., Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is it a crime to know him or to deny knowing him?

Emma, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I misread the question. I don't have one best best friend. But there are at least four/five lads I could go to in times of emotional crisis, but they are not the most blokey of men I suppose.

Anna, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

With some emotional problems I would never go to my female friends, mainly because they are more likely to have experienced similar things and would give advice starting with, 'well, when I was going out with...'. Whereas men, obviously, do not have emotions. So they will just listen with a baffled expression and buy me beer instead of trying to steal my pain.

Archel, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Whereas I have found it to be quite the opposite. Women make soothing, supportive noises whereas men start offering their (unhelpful) opinions & unasked for solutions.

E.g. me & long time boyf (mutually) break up. Woman friends are sympathetic & wait to see how I react before leaping in. Men friends shout 'hurrah! At last! He was a complete tosser!' which is not helpful at all as I was actually very upset about it.

Emma, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Men friends shout 'hurrah! At last! He was a complete tosser!'

I would never do this. I think I'm quite good at being a girl in these situations. Anyway, my dad taught me never to go down the 'hurrah he was a complete tosser' line cause half the time people get back together with said tosser and it's all a bit embarrassing.

N., Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well yes actually I had already broken up & got back together with him about a year earlier.

The 'what a tosser' approach is acceptable in certain circumstances btw.

Emma, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it depends on the person rather than the gender.

Me: And then he said that and it was awful and I knew that was it and it was all over.

Lucas [male]: Oh Fledgling, [hug]. Don't worry, I know it hurts now, but it will get better ... etc etc

Kate [female]: God, he's a wanker. The fucking tosser, they're all bastards, have more wine.

This is a hypothetical situation, but I know who to go to for sympathy and who to go to for indignation and booze.

Anna, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can boys and girls be best friends?

Absolutely. Of my two best friends, one is male, one female. Simple. :-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've found that I only have close female friends. My one good male friend is shit at keeping in touch and returning phone calls.

Mandee, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anna, I know I am making generalisations but based on my experience people do differ on this one according to gender. Maybe all the men I know are crap (and many could be reading this, sorry chaps).

Emma, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I know some spectacularly girly men Emma. There are others who I know are fond of me but would crumble into bits if I strayed too far from talking about music or films or whatever.

Anna, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thinking about this a bit more I realise that I am not friends with any / many girlie people be they girls or boys.

Emma, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am not 100% sure what I mean by girlie there.

Emma, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think your experience of men as friends partial comes out of what your stereotype of men is though Emma. I have plenty of female friends who would and have turned to me in times of emotional crises and apparently I have equiped myself very well. At the same time I don't think I would be a particularly good person for you to turn to if you were in a bad way because fundamentally you don't believe I can help you - so that barrier is already there. That and the fact that I annoy you.

Equally I think it is very unlikely I would come to you in an emotional crisis for kind of similar reasons. We are good friends but our relationship is based much more on the drinking, being funny and mutually irritating each other. I can't irritate properly if I also have to be understanding.

Pete, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes well this is all fairly personal but I think the reason I wouldn't go to you is that you think you know me better than you actually do. And it is a question of experience of certain things which my girl friends have and you don't. And I don't have a stereotype of men thank you very much.

Emma, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i had one girl who was a 'best friend', if you like, but, in the end, it probably got too close (nothing actually happened), but things altered, and it ended badly (it became a pseudo-relationship really) and we have been unable to make it back to normal since.

so, i guess the answer is yes you can, but you have to be very careful. most of my closest friends are girls also, i don't know why this is (i am probably very unthreatening and cannot be taken seriously AS A SEXUAL PREDATOR!! heh heh)

what ronan (or was it nick?) says is true, also about ending up with a pseudo-friendship because instead of making a move you followed the friendship route. ahh, story of my life i'm afraid!

gareth, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what ronan (or was it nick?)

Aye. It was me. *sigh* I'm never doing it again, mind.

N., Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Proof again - if any was needed - that I annoy men. And no, you certainly aren't about girly people Emma.

Pete, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

With me the division is between the people in my 'drinking circle' so to speak and those outside - the people I see all the time I don't really like confiding in or getting very emotional with, I find it hard to reconcile that with the flippant boozy sociability we have - this isn't a hard and fast rule but in general. The exception is Alex who I've known for ages.

But then outside that I have had very close female friends that I've turned to when I've needed support. It's been a mutual thing too, at least I think I've been helpful to them, you never really know I suppose.

Tom, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyway Ronan, what's going on with you and girl next door?

N., Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ronan, are you about to jinx yourself again?

(Answer to question: duh, YES)

Brian MacDonald, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nothing going on in my love life at the mo, let me tell you. Having come out of a horrible pseudo normal on off 8 month "relationship" I am single forever and incredibly happy. It's the first time in my adult life I've felt my love life is perfect, and I'm single.

Ronan, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyway Ronan, what's going on with you and girl next door?

Were you both butt-naked bangin' on the bedroom floor?

Dan Perry, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't have a single best friend, no. There are a handful of very good friends that I couldn't and wouldn't put in any order of importance or preference. One of them is female, and I've known her for over twenty years. There have been substantial periods during that time where I've spent more time talking to her than any of my other best friends. Having said that, she's not terribly girly, but then I'm not terribly boyey, whatever significance that has.

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I had a female best friend for years...we lived together as friendly roomates and I found myself falling in love with her after many drunken, late night conversations about relationships. She was dating a guy for four years at the time. A few nights we "accidentally" slept together, and it was ok for a few months. Feelings got in the way and ruined our friendship. I speak to her once a year now. Kind of sucks.

Chris, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan yes, and my girl is on the way home. It's ok though I didn't give her an extra key or anything......OH GOD! WHAT DO I DO?

Ronan, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Relax, yo. Tell her it wasn't you.

Dan Perry, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was waiting for the Shaggy joke!! Well done for not disappointing me!

jel --, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

this only works on nickelodean.

ethan, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, my best friend is female, it works well because I am in a relationship with someone else so we can pretend-flirt endlessly safe in the knowledge that nothing will ever happen. If it wasn't so we both agree that we would have ended up going out by now and then annoying each other to the point of murder, so it's better this way.

Ally C, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

its easier to do this if the member of the opposite sex in question is gay.

di, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, my best friend for the last close-to-15 years is a woman. She was my best woman at my wedding, too...

Douglas, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Most my good friends are girls. My mom calls them "my harem." I've done the friend/girlfriend game too. It's great for drama and sexual tension. Actually, I am still able to intimidate current boyfriends of past ex's by keeping the friendship stirring. It's a nice ego boost to know a guy is worried about you stealin' his gal.

bnw, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

jeeps: byron = mad bad and dangerous to know (mark s = 10 millionth person to make this joke also prob)

mark s, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've had both male and female best friends and they are all wonderful and sometimes you can have sex with your best friend and it doesn't change anything - so long as neither of you were harbouring sweet, secret desires for a relationship with the other one.

Funny thing is that usually my best friends and I have both been single for most or all of out best-friendship and have, in a funny way, been both faithful and committed to each other. Why it's different to a "relationship" I don't know - maybe because you don't try to change the other person and because you don't try to plan your whole future together in some suffocating way?

Anyway, I don't have a best friend at the moment (she moved to London) and it makes me sad. And lonely.

toraneko, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I find it hard to be freinds with boys i find attractive

anthony, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a male best friend and it works brilliantly. We're both people who spend most of our lives single but we somehow manage to keep sexual tension down to an absolute minimum. There have been a few drunken incidences where things have gotten close but it's always forgotten about the next day. We both love each other and tell each other so but we also know that we would make a terrible couple. It probably last a couple of months and then we'd break up and hate each other.

I think if you're straight you can be best friends with someone of the opposite sex that you fancy but if those feelings are not reciprocated then it will probably end in tears.

So as long as there is limited sexual tension boys and girls can make great best friends. There's something lovely and warm about being able to be close and loving with a boy without it being about sex.

Penny Lane, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

jeeps: byron = mad bad and dangerous to know (mark s = 10 millionth person to make this joke also prob)

Nah, but my Dad uses it so often I think it's the sole reason he gave me the damn name. (Also I am the most harmless geek you will ever meet, hence I cling to these delusions.)

bnw, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what penny said is true, but it makes me feel very sad, because that is exactly how things were for me. and then it got ruined

gareth, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think boys and girls can be best friends... My best friend is my boyfriend, but even before I met him I've always found it so much easier to be friends with blokes, and have them as best friends. I've not had a best friend who was female since I was about 14. Sorry I just don't understand women.

As for having best friends of the opposite sex who are single... I also say yes. I've lost touch with my best friend from uni (although I'm desperately trying to find him) We were inseperable, even sharing the same bed on many occasions. Everyone was convinced we were going out, or would at least end up together, but we never felt that way, and nothing ever happened. People tried to persuade us to get together as a couple, but we both knew that if we gave in to the pressure and tried a "relationship" we could easily lose the friendship we had, and that was more important to us than a quick shag.

I always take people as I find them (or try to) I try to ignore other people's opinions and use my own judgement. So far it's been okay.

The fact that my circle of friends includes about 8 or 9 blokes, and 2 girls (including myself) I haven't quite figured out the reason for yet, except that maybe the blokes can't cope with the bitchiness which always appears when you get more than 3 or more women in a room :)

celeste, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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