So, _Spider-Man_ then...

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It breaks records! But I have yet to hear from anyone who has actually seen it...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

...so speak up, unless you were so transfixed by a certain wet-dress shot you could do nothing but sit there.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bah, wrong link above (though that is the story for my other thread just now). Try this.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw it friday night i think i liked the aesthics of it , i guess it was good.

anthony, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Interesting, Anthony. I honestly didn't expect you'd see it, see (not after your complaints on LOTR being a faceless Hollywood product etc.).

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tobey Maguire,William Defoe and Sam Ramimi- i judge things on actors and directors mostly-which is why i ended up seeing LoTR

anthony, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it was pretty bad. cheesy dialogue and comic book plots do not translate well to non-comic-book, non-cartoon settings. it was amusing at least, though.

Maria, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Short thread detour: does anyone out there remember Kirsten Dunst's performance on Celebrity Jeopardy about five years ago? Ouch.

Joe, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i think that is what i apprecaited about spider man-is that it made no attempt to humanize the text-it was almost animated-it's aesthic retraine the charm of the origin texts

anthony, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

First impressions were good as it had really cool opening credits - I can't believe they didn't update the original Spiderman theme though. The scenes just after Peter is affected by the spiderbite were really quite funny. As for the villain - phooey. The Goblin's costume was really foolish looking, which almost ruined the whole film for me. Other complaints too, like the way some of the characters just didn't translate into a contemporary setting, but overall I did enjoy it. I liked the fact that they didn't sacrifice character development just to add superfuous action scenes, which has been my number one complaint with most movies of this genre. Surprisingly I didn't mind Tobey in the role, as I was fully expected to be really irritated by him. But yeah, worth seeing for sure.

Kim, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Way more fun and solid than I expected. I like the fact that they took the first hour to do character development and go through the origins, which I found more enjoyable than the actual hero-villain stuff. And I have a soft spot for Sam Raimi and Willem (and Bruce Campbell in a cameo!), so I had a good time. I'm sure it will be a profitable franchise.

Jordan, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just liked it. Too tired to be more analytical than that. Didn't wuv it, but I liked it.

Nicole, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bet it's not as gd as P. Bagge's recent ' Meglomanical Spiderman' one- shot.

Unforgivably geeky question: does Steve Ditko get a credit?

Andrew L, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't believe they didn't update the original Spiderman theme though
But this is a GOOD thing, right?

On the basis of the trailer, I can't wait ... but I'm going to have to for quite a while grrr

Jeff W, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A good thing? Perhaps. But (for once) I was trying not to be so cynical about things. :)

Kim, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!!! WHAAAAAA!!!!!! (though I did see Y Tu Mama yesterday)

jel --, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah, any good?

Matt Fallaize, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Steve Ditko got a HUGE credit in the opening sequence. He's listed as co-creator.

I really, really enjoyed the movie. More thoughts later when I"m not running into a meeting.

Dan Perry, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, thoughts on the movie:

Casting was really good. Tobey Maguire was a perfect Spider-Man, particularly since Peter Parker is about the most unglamorous person on the face of the earth. Kirsten Dunst did an excellent job of humanizing MJ, as well; she was the pretty popular girl with a lot of friends whose personal life was an absolute disaster. Willem Dafoe came across as a very tragic character, in keeping with what I know of the Green Goblin's history. Giving Harry a misfit angle made his friendship with Peter make more sense than it did in the comic book. The fight sceness were LOVELY and the way Peter evolved into his powers was handled really well. I also liked the pacing of the film; more time was spent on fleshing out the characters, so that when a confrontation happened, you actually cared about the outcome. Also, the overall tone of the movie was fantastic and fit in very well with the "with great power comes great responsibilty" tagline that forms the center of the concept. The ending in particular I thought was outstanding; you certainly don't see that many summer blockbusters go down that route, and they did actually manage to finish telling the story while leaving enough threads for a sequel to pick up. I'd even go as far as to say that it's the most mature of the Marvel films released so far.

The thing I was most surprised about, however, was the preview for the Hulk movie! Directed by Ang Lee? EXCELLENT. At this rate, Marvel won't need to produce comic books any more.

Dan Perry, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Andrew, the question of Ditko's credit was a big issue in many lists. Apparently Raimi's an old comic fan and he kicked up a fuss insisting that Ditko had to have a credit.

The movie got a very good write-up in The Guardian today.

Martin Skidmore, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Odd piece here. From the various descriptions above, it sounds like there was more of what this guy wanted in the film than he might have guessed (the dangers of jumping the gun, I think!).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Would it be mean to link this on my blog under the tagline "Josh Feit is a zit-ridden, wank-stained fanboy"?

Dan Perry, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

sam ramimi be thou my god

mark s, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah, and did anybody who watched the movie think Green Goblin = Momus?

Nicole, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Then I suppose Norman Osborne = Nick Currie? It was good, but the movie spent far too long on Spider-Man's origin for there to be a decent plot with the villain. It felt very rushed in that respect, even at two hours. I would have preferred a Batman-type "reveal history over a few movies" or a longer movie.

Vinnie, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I forgot to mention my favorite part of the movie: Dafoe's awesome monologish scenes!

Vinnie, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Torture! I was wavering on whether to even bother seeing it. Seeing Willem Defoe in anything usually rates high with me, but I'm almost being swayed by your opinions. After all, star-powered kitsch can only take you so far....

Nichole Graham, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, I felt that the development of the Green Goblin was excellent, particularly with Dafoe's monologues. Seeing him totter back and forth on the edge of sanity was great; they managed to make him just as strong a character as Peter with fewer strokes as well as retaining some amount of sympathy for him. The final confrontation was heart-breaking.

Dan Perry, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Given that it's a Sam Raimi flick, it reminded me a lot of the mixture of kitsch / earnestness he concocted for The Quick & the Dead (you know, leavening the father / son dialogue between Leonardo & Hackman w/ big honkin' perfectly cylindrical bullet wounds). I have some issues w/ a good portion of the non-origin plot being ripped straight from the comic (GEEK!), and some of the MJ / Peter scenes tickled the same sort of awkward bone that some of Kevin Smith's "meaningful" couple scenes scratch (for better & worse), but damn if I'm gonna let that stop me from loving this flick. The first 90 minutes are stupendous, Kristin managed to look glamorous even when looking goofy (cf. the hospital scene), Tobey was pluperfect as Spidey, and the guy playing JJJ was the best part of the flick! Makes the X-Men movie look sad, sad, sad. (Of course, the X-Men flick was taking inspiration from the serious / semi- boring "literary" Claremont years, while Spidey drew its blood from the rich & creamy jugular of the Ditko / Romita / Lee years.)

Requests for sequel: lots more Daily Bugle stuff, MJ uses "tiger" at least 60 times, and the Sandman is involved in some fashion. (I'd REALLY like to see some Sinister Six action, but that'd be pushing it.) (And I don't want to sound like one of Those Fans, tho it's painfully clear that I am.)

And while I'm here, I must say the 1st issue of Ultimate Spider-Man - given away as part of Free Comic Book Day & @ the theatre - is damn disappointing.

Daver, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It was pretty good, but it's much worse 48 hours later than 48 minutes.

My biggest gripe was with the action sequences. Well choreographed, but totally weightless. I hear raves about the integration of the CGI/greenscreen stuff and the live-action stuff, but to me, it was like watching a movie break into extended Playstation sequences periodically.

When actual actors/stuntmen are fighting, there are only four words that come to mind -- Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. 'Nuff said. (Yes, that's on purpose).

These are not good things, especially given the level of the quiter moments. It hewed pleasantly closely to the comic (I'm a fan), and the modernizing updates worked fine (although it would have been nice to see the movie set in the early '60's). Tobey is quite good as Peter Parker; he's not much as Spiderman (see Morphin comment above). Everyone else is adequate in context.

Ultimately, a disappointment, but I've come to realize that when you religiously read comics from age 3-15, the movie is bound to fall short of expectations.

Best moment -- preview for The Hulk. Just a teaser. In a GIANT theater in Times Square, the place erupted. Loudest moment of a loud night.

Rufus King, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Best moment -- preview for The Hulk. Just a teaser.

Well, be sure to come back and complain when that comes out, too.

Nicole, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

*sigh* i shall prob. have to go and see this despite grrrrTobeymaguiregrrrr being in it. i seem to remember getting quite drunk and ranting about this last night. apologies to anyone else in the room ;)

katie, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks Dan and Martin for soothing my fanboy nerves. There was a goodish article in the Sunday Telegraph by Jordan Raphael (didn't he used to work for Fantagraphics or something?) abt Ditko - J.D. Salinger of comics etc. etc. - including a photo!

Andrew L, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd like to second Daver's vote for the Sandman, an old favourite of mine. Maybe today's cgi stuff makes him a possible. I saw the photo of Ditko too - he looks like a normal, reasonable human, rather shockingly.

Martin Skidmore, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll third the Sandman comments. He's so frickin' cool!

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sandman's a fag. Kraven the Hunter is where it's at.

But what's up with naming him "Kraven?"

Some of the best parts of Spiderman: the Bruce Campbell and Lucy Lawless cameos.

adam, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sandman's a fag. Kraven the Hunter is where it's at.

OH THE IRONY.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Where the hell was Lucy Lawless?

And, duh, Kraven's bi. Leopard skin vest, hello. MYSTERIO is a faggot (obviously, all the smoke and purple & green and a STUNTMAN). The Vulture's a lech. Spidey needs more / any villainesses.

Daver, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have been out for one jetlag addled walk so far and can confirm it's for sale in Bangkok, on DVD or VCD.

chris, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Lucy Lawless was the punk girl in the street interviews.

Personally, I'm more concerned that Chris's idea of sex tourism is scouring the streets for bootleg copies of "Spiderman"...

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?3901

ooh look, Spiderman 2 villains - but no BIRDS among them, oh well...

katie, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Spider-man has rub villains. (Poss exception of The Sandman who is no longer a villain anyway - and he is only interesting because he is reformed). Also he has no decent female villains at all.

Oh - how about Paste Pot Pete?

Pete, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Haven't you heard? Sandman went evil again. (Don't know if he went back to being good; this was a couple of years ago.) I fully support a Pstae Pto Ptee appearance.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

FRIGHTFUL FOUR! Holy crap! (Wasn't the Sandman a member? W/ Ptee, the Wizzizzard, and Medusa?) (Nice purple!)

Daver, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Spidey villains!

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And, duh, Kraven's bi. Leopard skin vest, hello. MYSTERIO is a faggot...

Nonsense. Kraven is simply comfortable with his manhood and does not need to be bound by any of your restrictive, you know, stuff. Sandman is big and butch.

adam, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nonsense. Kraven is simply comfortable with his manhood [...]

Yes, and other guys' manhoods, too; HAW HAW HAW HAW!

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, and other guys' manhoods, too; HAW HAW HAW HAW!

Guys, stop. You're gonna make Kraven cry. Oh, hey, is it just me, or does the J. Michael Straczynski Amazing Spider- man really suck? I mean, I try to like it but it's just lame and sentimental with crappy villians (Morlun? Dude, he was weak). It's a shame 'cause I really dig Rising Stars.

adam, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To be honest, I've never been an avid Spider-Man reader. I almost started when Paul Jenkins started writing (and I did get the first few issues of Tangled Webs), but since I think Straczynski is one of the most overrated writers out there (Babylon 5 bored me so much that I refuse to check out anything else he does) I haven't read it.

I want The Thousand to appear in a movie, even if it isn't a Spider-Man movie. That concept is just so freaked out. Garth Ennis = insane monkey.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tobey Maguire is vegetarian of the year!

jel --, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked it. Not a fantastic film, but I'm glad they spent time on backstory, character development. Tobey's Parker was perfect. Green Goblin costume = horrible. Did I see a tiny "Superman" homage there when Spiderman's flying around the city with MJ clinging onto him?

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 12 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what a fantastic movie! and so did dr vick etc

Josh, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I thought it was lotsafun - even with big japanese subtitles getting in the way. Really can't see what they will do for a sequel though...

Pete, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What do you mean, Pete? Loadsa supervillians.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

a lot of the charm of this one comes from the forming-a-superidentity story and the love theme. it helps give it a really nice pacing too. having him just fight another bad guy won't be sufficient to repeat the success.

Josh, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two people have asked tonight if I am drunk and I am not. I am serious! I love this film.

Josh, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

We just like the idea of you being drunk in general.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

just saw it in a restaurant here and thoroughly enjoyed itr, can't wait to see it in the cinema.

only three more words about it though: that pink dress!!!!!!!!!

chris, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.stevienixed.com/gfx/mitch-pic.jpg

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Josh is correct. The sequel will definitely have problems because they won't have the formation story which is a lot of what made this a great movie. I think the Batman franchise had a similar problem in that Batman's solitary lifestyle and Gotham's gothic design was interesting and new in the first movie, and merely expected in the sequels.

Vinnie, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(nu look-i-made-Josh-from-"NICE TRY, JOSH KORTBEIN"-into-spiderman- but-no-one-saw-it-the-first-time answers)

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw it with my spidey sense the first time, cockfarmer

Josh, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw it and loved it Mitch Spidey.

Graham, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

okay I'm never doing a "SEE WHAT I DID THERE?" post again. But you're on yr own if you want the thread where I made Ned into Mr. Freeze.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You did what, now?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"people will like this film because you know what is going to happen"

mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And note previous conversations about total lameness of Spider-man's traditional villains. The Green Goblin is lousy enough, to look forward to a bloke with eight long metal arms stuck to him is nothing much at all.

The love story can move on - but its going to take at least half a film before they can get together else it will relegate all meaning to the ending of the first movie. Death Of Gwen Stacy might be a nice idea but
a) No Gwen Stacy that means anything to PP yet
b) The "off of bridge thing" has already been done without the breaking of a neck.

Pete, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sandman rocks, though. They should do a Gwen Stacy/PP/MJ love triangle for the next movie, culminating in Gwen's death, either at the hands of the villian or, even better, as an accidental thing at the end of the movie. (YEAH!)

Dan Perry, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sandman only rocks because he is reformed (and is he anymore???) Problem with your plot appears to be too much similarity with the first films plot with the exception of the love triangle (because Gwen would have to die accidentally - we can't have more of this villain finding out heroes identity nonsense again). You are still probably stuck with Doctor Octopus though as a villain - who is a lame-o. And since Peter isn't actually going to be in love with Gwen we won't mind her death so much since she will be the aggressor on our poor hero, and as a manipulative character we won't mourn her.

The only other decent villain would be the Kingpin - and he's been nicked for the Daredevil movie.

Pete, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But if the movie starts out with Peter in a relationship with Gwen and MJ getting all jealous, there's a foundation right there for the romantic story. We could also get a great confrontation where MJ tells Peter off because she's figured out his secret identity and threatens to tell Gwen, or does tell Gwen, and there's a big blowup over the fall-out from that.

Or, Gwen could be vulnerable because Peter is always ditching her without plausible explanation, leading to a situation where she becomes romantically involved with someone in the Spider-Man rogue's gallery (Beetle, maybe?), again, without knowing that the person has an alter-ego. The denoument of the movie could involve her dumping both of them after the climactic battle and getting the hell out of NYC.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gwen (and whoever plays her) will always be in the shadow of MJ - who will also need to have something to do in the film except mope about not getting PP. And still that problem with the lousy villains.

Pete, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...
fules! the best villain evah = VENOM

bob zemko (bob), Monday, 2 December 2002 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

seventeen years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYKaP04-siE

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 31 December 2019 00:03 (five years ago)

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUcktiQxC9Q

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:14 (five years ago)

Shoot, even with nostalgia, I wouldn't want a DVD box set of that show.

Watched them back when aired (adding to the gratitude of the current movie/tv quality), but can't remember if they included MJ or Gwen as characters. I see JJJ and Glory Grant, and Betty Brant right after? My vague memory is that Spider-Man was more the "weekly mob bad guy" type show, versus trying to integrate comic villains like Doc Ock or Mysterio.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 19:17 (five years ago)

That was the best acting I've ever seen in my whole life

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 19:31 (five years ago)


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