dudes who get a bad rap for being beloved by high school/college students

bukowski
salinger
sartre

Dave Matthews

not a dude but ayn rand

also that is a deservedly bad rap imo

dudes is gender neutral in this case

i dont think high school/college kids like dmb anymore, hes like a mid-20s former-frat guy think now

*thing

b marley

Chomsky

what college student still reads Sartre for pleasure?

sartre fair enough

high school/college students

xxpost I read The Flies and Dirty Hands sorta for pleasure last year when I was taking a class on Nietzsche

nietzsche sort of falls into this category too but not as much as sartre does

jim morrison

Do high schoolers still worship Jim Morrison? Back in the early 90s, it seemed like everybody I knew had a copy of his "poetry" books.

Hesse?

lol i doubt if anyone in my high school ever heard of sartre

ya, ilxor eazy has confirmed that college kids still have jim morrison and reservoir dogs posters in their dorm rooms.

i was thinking hesse. kerouac?

Hesse?

― Dr Morbius, Friday, December 12, 2008 10:14 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^ yes!! meant to put him in the first post

orff (for carmina burana)

kerouac too

I think you dudes are vastly overestimating the degree to which most college students are actually interested in philosophy and literature

is this "deserved bad rap" or "undeserved bad rap"?

Sartre's bad rap is well deserved for his intellectual failings but he's a passable playwright and 'Le Mur' is actually a very good short story collection.

ralph nader?

its just "bad rap" where the belovedness by young ppl tends to be central to quick n dirty putdowns

for example--i like salinger, dislike sartre, hate rand--but if im lookin to get a quick lazy zing in against any one of them its going to be "crap that high schoolers love" or wv

tarantino

ya good one... i guess the other bit is that these are ppl producing specifically for older audiences so like... harry potter or whatever doesnt count

salinger sucks

whoever wrote that book 'the diceman'.

Dane Cook

thank you whiney g weingarten

i think dane cook doesnt count quite as much since hes basically targeting a college audience

naomi klein

fight club dude

noam chomsky

The Beatles.

radiohead

Wow, that's spooky, I was just typing "Noam Chomsky" (xxp)

Chuck Klosterman

you are both 45 minutes late with chomsky. but it is fun to say chomsky over and over. chomsky. chomsky.

People Who Make Trance Music

another way of putting this is maybe "stuff that you wouldnt think twice if a college kid was reading it but might judge an older person for reading or listening to or whatever"

you are both 45 minutes late with chomsky

haha i thought this was some sort of double-edged joke about how we are too old to understand students nowadays. i ctrl+f'ed for "noam" and didn't find it :(

public enemy (at least in my hs/college years)

cornel west

thread inspired btw by seeing a guy in his mid-30s reading a bukowski book on the path train and having a kneejerk judgment response

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2401/1782727851_14ba6f75a5_b.jpg

my dissertation adviser will rep hard core for later Sartre (ie, The Critique of Dialectical Reason)...i've never had much time to read any of that. But he said he did a semester long course where they went page by page through Being and Nothingness with Frederic Jameson as the prof...so there's possibly something to it!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2084/1784362672_0abd03e2dc_b.jpg

there's a "personal" category for this kind of thing and I feel you on the huysmans, michael. wilhelm reich's listen up little man was a big hit with me in high school too.

nobody else was reading huysmans or reich in high school (aside from super lit nerd friends) but their preciousness and blustery hyperbole are geared toward the adolescent mindstate.

on a related topic, what hipped me to bataille in high school was andrea dworkin's description of the story of the eye in her book pornography. feminist FAIL.

de sade?

"andrea dworkin turned me on to georges bataille" sounds so wrong

wow, didn't know dworkin was dead... RIP u crazy lady

look, andrea dworkin supports this thread from beyond the grave:
Dworkin began writing poetry and fiction in the sixth grade. Throughout high school, she read heavily, with encouragement from her parents. She was particularly influenced by Arthur Rimbaud, Charles Baudelaire, Henry Miller, Fyodor Dostoevsky, Che Guevara, and the Beat poets, especially Allen Ginsberg.

her wikipedia article is a treasure trove

In the early 1980s she had a public row with her former friend Allen Ginsberg over his support for child pornography and pedophilia, in which Ginsberg said "The right wants to put me in jail," and Dworkin responded "Yes, they're very sentimental; I'd kill you."

high school heroes FITE

So what's appropriate to read -after- highschool and college? Middle brow NY Times bestseller crapola?

if any of you guys were to write a hipster gardening book you would be $$$$$$$$$

― scott seward, Friday, December 12, 2008 3:39 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

saw a review of a hipster in the city gardening guide in an issue of toronto's free weekly a few weeks back.

after college you should only read what oprah tells you to

So what's appropriate to read -after- highschool and college? Middle brow NY Times bestseller crapola?

milton. basically milton is the only thing.

spengler on dating

haha spengler or the nu-spengler

after college you should just only read blogs, duh

yes, no time for bulky books

also good are biographies of US vice-presidents

as long as they are in blog format

there's some thread around here where someone says that reading full-length biographies of presidents is the fatal sign that you've forever crossed the line into boring adulthood

if so i def crossed the line this year :(

I <3 nu-spengler

he's quite the prognosticator

Democratic candidate Barack Obama may spend the rest of his life wondering why he rejected Senator Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential pick and lost a surefire path to victory. As Obama marches to defeat, John McCain has made the masterful choice of an Alaskan amazon with a steelworker spouse.

awz i thought i was a-1 nuspengler superfan on ilx

he is amazing and hilarious

nu-spengler is the ed anger of the blog ra

"So what's appropriate to read -after- highschool and college? Middle brow NY Times bestseller crapola?"

i post what i read on here:

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=55

oops, i meant on here:

Fall 2008 is on it's way so please be kind to tell us what you read

blog era, that is

"nu-spengler is ed anger of the blog ra" is clearly a track from the new fall album

right now i'm reading bruce jay friedman. he rules.

In my high school/early college days, in the mid-to-late 90s, it was certainly hard to see the forest through the trees as a fairweather Tori Amos fan.

Same goes for Jeff Buckley, Belle & Sebastion, & probably lots more.

Not necessarily the "dude" himself, but I would say this about Joyce's Ulysses. I know b/c I was one of those English dork undergrads who became obsessed with it. There were several of us, and I'm sure we annoyed the fuck out of everyone else.

Ulysses - subject of 1,000,000 comically misguided & pretentious undergraduate theses.

there is nothing wrong with liking joyce!

or Ulysses, jesus people get a grip

haha you just fell for it

fuck this, i'm going to go work in a soup kitchen

write stream of consciousness about washing dishes

show me a high school kid who's into delillo

when i was in high school i asked the school librarian (who knew my tastes) what i would like and he recommended white noise. i liked it! although i think i rolled my eyes a few times at the obviousness of some of it.

xposts: Dude you totally missed my point. Personally, I think Joyce is rated just about right in the 20th Century cannon. He's like the MBV of modernist literature.

*canon

I was briefly entangled with a Milanese girl (she turned out to be a MSI supporter) who was reading a translation of Ulysses in Italian. I still can't even imagine doing how one would translate that book.

i think all joyce translators just smoke a lotta pot

jesus people?! On this board?

Even better would be a translated version of Finnegan's Wake. Shit, is that even allowed? Then again, we've all read lots of poetry in translation, so I guess so.

finnish finnegans wake

kish for crawsake. Omen. So sigh us. Grampupus is fallen down but grinny sprids the boord. Whase on the joint of a desh? Finfoefom the Fush. Whase be his baken head?

not the finnish translation, obv, I just love that paragraph. Anyway, we digress..

i want more chicks to post on this thread--i think there is a v. distinct dude version of this that tends to love hypermasculine individualists like bukowski, sartre, ntz... wondering if theres a babe equivalent beyond plath

i was reading the hypermasculine dude stuff in hs/lolcollege! there was a bit of plath/charlotte perkins gilman/margaret atwood. but i was never a stan about them.

*One last Joyce aside: I just realized that Finnegan's Wake reads like a compendium of Cocteau Twins "lyrics."

I think you have that the wrong way round

yeah, well, you know what I mean

yeah, i was more into the hypermasculine individualists too. also the dalai lama and christian apologetics, but i don't know if that's a more girly thing or a more me thing....