Americans In England

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I know Ned and Dan have been over here recently, and Suzy lives here of course. but, of the other americans on the board, how many have been to england. where did you go? and what did you think?

gareth, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ask me again in September, when I move to London for three or four months.

Colin, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I did a term at Oxford while in college. I traveled all through England and Scotland there.I had fun. Gained weight. You have good tea.

S., Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

never mind us americans, brace yourselves for the imminent canadian pink moose invasion!

Ron, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I spent last semester in Glasgow, see Nick's thread for full postgame analysis.

turner, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha ha! i was just in england a month ago. i've been there a few times. i like london a lot - i almost moved there til i got weak knees and decided to move to NYC instead.

What was most interesting to me was the different way South Asians seemed to be perceived and treated in Britain vs in the US. Somehow i felt more conscious of the fact that i was of South Asian descent in Britain than i do here. Even though South Asians certainly comprise a large minority in Britain, and indian and british cultures seem to be intertwined much more closely than in the US, i still somehow felt more comfortable in terms of ethnicity here in the US than i did there, and i'm not exactly sure why.

More on this later. let me put my thinking cap on.

geeta, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

went for a month last june. it was rad and everyone was friendly but i eventually got tired of asking people to repeat themselves so i could parse so i just started nodding and got some "dumb american" looks. your weed is fucking awful, though. i like your drinking culture-how do you survive? spent most of my time @ u of lancaster and southampton with some time in london and daytrips to a few other cities. naturally beautiful - surprisingly, i thot. south asian influence (and family i stayed with) = super froosh! i would love to return, hopefully you guys don't go fascist before then

bc, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

When I was in London, there were ads everywhere for some movie called "Bend it like Beckham", I think. I had no clue what this was supposed to mean (until I realized he was a big soccer - er I mean football - star, after reading a paper.) What struck me was that a) it was a movie starring Indian actors, advertised broadly throughout the city - the way a Hollywood movie would be here- and the tagline was "Why make alu gobhi when you could bend it like Beckham?" or something like that. I completely marveled at that: seeing "alu gobhi" (hindi for spiced potatoes & cauliflower) on a giant billboard struck me as so weird, just because I never would see that here in the US. And giant images on the billboard of women wearing saris, on the sides of buses! I would never see that in Boston.

I'm not going to say that London is totally progressive when it comes to race relations, but certainly, different cultures seem to have influenced the national consciousness in very different ways than they have in the US. Whether the majority perceives the people that are behind that cultural influence with appreciation or derision is another matter, though.

geeta, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i was v impressed with beckham's bending tho

bc, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Geeta, in the past decade or so Asian culture has become incredibly visible in Britain, in a mainstream media way. Before - and tons of my friends have told me this - you'd shout to your entire family to come quick because there was an Asian on the telly. Films like Bend It Like Beckham are pretty commonplace now. Maybe the constraints you felt stemmed from seeing a lot of less advantaged Asians here on the streets; I didn't meet working-class Asians before I came to London.

Here, since the late 1960s, there are several towns and cities, not just Jackson Heights-type neighbourhoods, full of different South Asian communities. In London alone: Brick Lane, Bangladeshis; Whitechapel and Forest Gate, Pakistanis; Wembley, Gujeratis; Tooting, South Indians; Southall, Punjabis. Many of these - particularily in Southall - came over to work in mass production jobs and are, still, broadly speaking, pretty working class or owners of family businesses. Up north, South Asians came over to work in the cotton mills and that's why lots of the old mill towns have massive Asian areas. There are zero jobs for anyone and a lot of racist nonsense of the 'we jobless uneducated white people have less than these jobless uneducated Asian people, and that's wrong' variety, which sucks (Gareth can tell more about Bradford, where riots were last summer). It's a lot less segregated in the South.

The middle-class Asian people I know don't live in the 'neighbourhoods' and send their kids to private day schools; generally speaking these are the Asians we see on television, presenting (tons of Bengali Hindus, probably from Brahmin families) and being on Radio 4 while the comedy and film people who are most famous here are mostly Punjabis (my friend Satinder, who's Sikh, says watching Goodness Gracious Me, for her, is the equivalent of a Brooklyn Jew watching Woody Allen's more slapstick films). My neighbour Gita, who's a lecturer and from New York, preferred London because of the More Asians thing - you don't have to explain about a lot of things the way you might in the US, where there's not the colonial relationship with yon 'host country'. And I've noticed that while British Asians can speak the language spoken by parents and grandparents, American South Asians hardly ever do.

suzy, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

thirteen years pass...

Former Dragons' Den star Dough Richard has today been found not guilty of child sex offences at the Old Bailey.

The 57-year-old - a former business adviser to David Cameron - arranged for two teenage schoolgirls to travel to London where he spanked and had sex with the younger one, who was just 13.

But he argued the girls had told him they were over 16 and he had no reason to believe they were lying.

A jury of eight women and four men deliberated for four hours and 15 minutes before finding Mr Richard, a married father-of-three, not guilty of three counts of sexual activity with a child, one of causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity and a charge of paying for sexual services.

Richard claimed he thought the girl, who is 5ft and weighs less than six stone, was 17 - even after she sent him a naked picture - and said he was 'mortified' to learn she was 13.

smoothy doles it (nakhchivan), Saturday, 30 January 2016 00:59 (nine years ago)

two years pass...

Headlines that look like an onion headline...

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:24 (seven years ago)


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