The Greatest Sitcoms of All Time

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I humbly submit that What's Happening!! was the greatest sitcom of all time. The episodes where Rerun and Raj get busted for trying to bootleg a Doobie Brothers concert alone made this show classic (for the absurdity of kids from the ghetto in the late Seventies being into the [Michael McDonald-era] Doobie Brothers -- I guess they couldn't get George Clinton or Earth, Wind and Fire for that episode).

What are your nominations? And is mine full of shit?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Big Three: Seinfeld

The Good Life

Ever Decreasing Circles

Nick, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have to say that particular episode gave me very peculiar ideas about what a concert was like.

I still like the idea that if you drop a cassette recorder that everyone would immediately take notice and be aghast instead of being too drunk/stoned/entranced with Michael Mcdonald to care or even notice in the first place.

Favorite sitcom? I watched far too much television in the 80's, it's too tough a call. Perhaps ILE fave We Got It Maid? No. I suspect it would be something with a very high quotient of Very Special episodes.

Nicole, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, and the Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin. And The Naked Truth, because of yummy Tea Leone. I've never heard of What's Happening!!, but if it has Michael McDonald-era Doobie Brothers in it, it has to have some merit.

Nick, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Come see come see Dastoor hurtling down an slope of near infinite gradient, opinion-wise...

mark s, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Three's Company and their eternal struggle to 'understand' each other through 'misunderstandings' and their constant inability to pay the rent with three people sharing a two bedroom flat.

p f. sloane, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Good Life is rubbish, sexy though it is when girls say "Oh TOM" in a Felicity Kendal voice. I also once shamed myself in front of workmates by saying I preferred P.Keith. Breeding will out.

EDC is in theory an amazing sitcom but I can't shake the feeling that it is poor.

Terry And June is brilliant in the memory for every episode being the same - my boss is coming to tea and I have hit a golf ball onto a lorry bound for France.

Hi-De-Hi is underrated.

Dad's Army is rated almost exactly right.

Only Fools And Horses was actually good until they got love lives.

Whatever Happened To The Likely Lads?

Tom, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The good life, M*A*S*H (without laughter track thank you), Taxi, Frasier, League of Gentlemen, Absolutely Fabulous

but the best of all has to be Fawlty Towers

Ed, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And of course, Father Ted. Does this reverse my decline, Mark, or do you have a controversial view on the subject?

Hi-Di-Hi! was rubbish, Tom. Don't give me that critical reappraisal shit.

Whenever I watch Cheers these days, it doesn't seem as good as it once did. Am I wrong?

Nick, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Other What's Happening!! great moments -- Rerun is supposed to do a hamburger commercial, but gets upstaged by Dee (who takes a bite of said hamburger and calls it "jack-ass meat.") That's funny enough, but Mr. Tate from Bewitched! and Dick Van Patten (of Eight is Enough fame) are also in that episode.

Then there's the episode where Rerun joins a Southern California cult that worships a head of lettuce (named Ralph). And Mama (Mabel King, who was quite a hefty woman) busts up the scam by posing as Mother Nature. Funny shit.

Today's bit of useless information: apparently, Rerun was one of the first break dancers.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

M*A*S*H definitely, absolute genius. I'll defend Cheers to the hilt too, but not who's the boss? that was just lame.

I've never got into Seinfeld, am I missing out?

cabbage, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

THe Young Ones, Seinfeild, Northern Exposure, The Simpsons

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This What's Happening sitcom sounds pretty bad.

Nick: the only really bad thing about Hi De Hi is Su Pollard (who is admittedly REALLY BAD).

Tom, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Seinfeld has an immortal contribution to another thread, strangely not yet mentioned there: viz TO BE MASTER OF ONE'S DOMAIN

mark s, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Are we forgetting something?

THE SIMPSONS.

p f. sloane, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Serious" answers: Father Ted, Seinfeld, Cheers, the Young Ones, and the first 2 seasons of AbFab.

Nicole, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Are we forgetting something? THE SIMPSONS.

I don't really consider the Simpsons to be a sitcom, it's a genre all it's own.

Nicole, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Married With Children: classic core cast & characters, funny for years & years [w/ albeit one weaker series; too many speaking parts for Buck, plus new kid Seven], good running gags, good guest stars (eg. Kinison), and Kelly the "Kraftmatic Adjustable Girl".

AP, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Also, Bewitched, because of yummy Elizabeth Montgomery.

Nick, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

young one yay, seinfeld nay, i kinda liked full house in its first two series, webster rocked in a weird way, metal mickey boogie woogie woogied and there's still a deep feeling inside my bowels for steve erkel.

Geoff, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'Allo 'Allo has never been known to disappoint.
Barney Miller was worth waiting up till 3 in the morning for, when I was young enough to survive this.
I wouldn't shed my life for Third Rock from the Sun, but it is often very funny.

mark s, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For the curious, the a synopsis. You non-Americans don't know what you were missing :-)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Cabbage, re: Seinfeld. Yes you are.

The number of people I've known who've said "Nah, I've never really got into Seinfeld" and then have ended up totally obsessed suggests to me that not liking Seinfeld is just a schoolboy error. You gotta get past the slap bass and bad shirts!

Nick, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That's more like it!

:-)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So y'all don't think I'm just obsessed with What's Happening!! , other favorites:

The Odd Couple, Seinfeld, The Young Ones, Get a Life.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

then I will try Nick, good job I've got paramount, which is, by the way home to many a dreadful sitcom. What's the one in the magazine office? So shoot me, that's the one, I got really into it and then slowly started hating it, very odd. King of Queens I don't mind though, that's got a few laffs in it, and a cute girl too.

cabbage, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Spin City = proof of scrunched-up hobbit Michael J. Fox's awesome unchallenged comic genius. He was good in FT: it was the others who were rubbish. (How many years since Ubu sat for the LAST TIME?)

mark s, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Family Ties was OK, nothing that great but it got me to laugh. Another favorite -- Taxi; hard to beat Andy Kaufman, Danny DeVito, and Carol Kane in top form!

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Cheers / Frasier = overrated, mildly droll stuff. Kirstie Alley = DUD.

Best, in my eyes: early Drew Carey Show, News Radio, Seinfeld, Friends, Spin City (pre-Sheen), pre-canned-laugh M*A*S*H and ... umm ... the Dick Van Dyke Show?

David Raposa, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Next of Kin starring Penelope Keith because it was based on such a charmless premise i.e. your son (or was it daughter?) and his / her spouse are killed in an accident and rather than mourning the loss of a child you go off into one because your pesky grandkids are ruining your misanthropic old age.

Emma, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Good dog!

My sitcoms: Bewitched, M*A*S*H, Father Ted (which was very nearly perfect) but mostly I am irritated by them. In Japan, Bewitched is called Endora because they don't show ones without Agnes Moorhead in.

suzy, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Young Ones is bestest, sez I.

DG, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(Who does this remind you of?: "It was a JOKE! And you fell for it, like the FASCISTS you are!")

mark s, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Everyone except AP is forgetting MARRIED WITH CHILDREN, the ultimate sitcom, the one that loosed us from realism, the obvious template for the Simpsons, and for that we owe it big time, forever and ever, amen.

All in the Family is still great television.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There was only one perfect sit-com in the history of television, and that was Three's Company.

Joe, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Crappy sub-farce with bad hair (even then), a past-it Don Knotts and enough lighting for a small town. Dud!

Tracer Hand, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Am I allowed to say I like the Fresh Prince of Bel Air? Sod it, I like the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Also M*A*S*H, Father Ted and the Office, which regularly has me in stitches.

Seinfeld is OK, except for THE DEVIL'S BASS that does a stupid jazzy thing whenever the scene changes. Also, I think I am the only person I know who cannot stand the Royle Family.

Madchen, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Has the "loosing from realism" in sitcomland been more dud than classic, though? I mean really, no more fucking fantasy sequences I beg of you - just have some people saying funny things to one another, is that not enough??

Tom, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I FORGOT "KEEPING UP APPEARANCES"!!! PURE GENIUS!!!!

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

FAWLTY TOWERS. Especially the "DONT TALK ABOUT THE WAR" episode.
YOUNG ONES: every single episode rules
SOPRANOS: especially the episode with the Tiny Tears song playing in the background.
BEVERLY HILLS 90210

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm partial to the Mary Tyler Moore show. I never really watched any others with regularity.

Kerry, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hi De Hi is rubbish, Tom.

The Good Life is fun in parts though class / culture conflict v. dated, but Ever Decreasing Circles is GRATE: I suppose what really does it for me is the absurdism, the ridiculous, endlessly- intensifying panic which everyone *just about* manages to hold back. Particularly great Briers lines: "Who would stick a skip outside your house?" and "But she shot someone's *cat* once!" (they don't sound that special written down but it's all in the delivery). Richard Briers was, incidentally, the only person hoaxed by Brass Eye that I liked enough to think "Why did Chris have to do that to him?"

OFAH is on the whole brilliant: yuppie-era episodes v. overrated though. The faster, more down-to-earth earlier 30-minute ones may have been the best: 1985 and 1986 series particularly ace.

Perrin and Fawlty Towers probably the best British comedies of the 70s but whether either counts as sitcom is a moot point (Perrin more ongoing series, FT more of a farce). Both, viewed today, turn the trick of being very very funny *and* revealing a lot about the British psyche of the time (interesting thing about FT is that it has dated more than its "timeless" reputation suggests: attitude of and towards US tourists, uncomplaining public, Basil recoiling in horror at black doctor, references to "Finnish floozy" etc.).

This decade: love The League Of Gentlemen though it has lost some of the humour as it concentrates more and more on grotesques. Phoenix Nights would have been better if it had depended less on caricature Northern-ness: Peter Kay's humour is, to me, overtly "do you get the reference? eh? eh?" which is NOT FUCKING FUNNY in itself. You need something more.

Terry and June seems so much longer ago than it is ...

Robin Carmody, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I Love Lucy

JC, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Seinfeld. Come on, for fuck's sake. It's given me so many of my favorite things to say to my mother. "Why yes, I am a fancy boy."

Ally, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Surely somebody apart from me likes Hi-De-Hi! Classic British ensemble comedy and it's as much about class-bound despair as Ever Bloody Decreasing Circles.

Tom, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

1) The Phil Silvers Show/Bilko

2) Dad's Army

3) Taxi

Much as it pains me to disagree with Dastoor about anything, Seinfeld is abysmal, and I will never change my mind about this.

stevie t, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Surely somebody apart from me likes Hi-De-Hi!
It's alright. ;-)

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the young ones.

talking about comedy in general, i notice that people like us has been on recently for another series (although this might have finished about 2 months ago: source 'prizd' enlgish magazine that someone bought over with them.... so, what do people think of people like us? i think it is fucking funny but no one ever talks about it, it never gets any hype etc.

i mean, its not groundbreaking or anything, but just well funny in a modest way,. some of this stiving to be freshhhhhhhh like chriss morris an the rest can be a bit dull after a while....

ambrose, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

TAXI SUcked! Judd Hirsh...ewwww. Tony Danza...eck.

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh darn, I forgot Rising Damp.

Madchen, Monday, 30 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"A puppet show!!"

mark s, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I just remembered ITV's only contribution over the last 20 years - Outside Edge. I seem to remember it being amusing, however that was a while ago. Can anyone shed any light?

Ally C, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Whatabout Get Smart? Didn't age well, or rather I'm older and it seems dumber. But some of the gags were outstanding. Code of Silence, "would you believe," & cet.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Roseanne, Mary Tyler Moore, The Simpsons, Kate and Ally, Maude, Golden Girls

anthony, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"A Very Peculiar Practice", wow, I had totally forgot! I'm writin to PRIME (NZ TV channel that specialises in Brit arcana)!
Who has watched the most complete eps of Last of the Summer Wine? - not me but I bet someone I know.

duane, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two weeks pass...
Missed this first time out, ho hum. Anyway

UK; Father Ted
Dad's Army
Porridge
Rising Damp
First two series of Rab C Nesbitt'microwave pies, 200 yards', could be a bit parochial at times but Rab C is the archetypal loser philosopher.

US; C'mon got to be Bilko, nothing else comes close except maybe Cheers.

Billy Dods, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

eleven months pass...
simpsons cheers seinfeld night court flinstones (lol)if it counts

qc, Monday, 19 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...
Here is my list:
1.Cheers
2.Family Ties
3.Wings
4.Mash
5.Night court
6.Frasier
7.Mary Tyler Moore
8.Seinfield
9.Police squad (a ABC show that lasted 6 episodes)
10.Taxi

I absolutley hate friends, that show gets on my nerves. The only reason they pay the actors so much is not because it's a good show it's because NBC has nothing else. They must stop calling it Must see tv. I also don't understand why so many people like three's company John Ritter is about as funny as billy crystal. (Bill crystal is the most unfunniest person alive, I hated him on SNL.)

Ashley, Saturday, 8 February 2003 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I was trying to remember why I had missed this thread and realized I was visiting the UK at the time. American -- What's Happening was pretty damn good, wasn't it? And the ever-missed Square Pegs. Brit -- list is too long. Overrated codswallop -- Seinfeld. Theoretically a show about cynical hatefulness should be exactly what I need in life, but it just made me hate New York even more as a concept (the real thing is generally far more fun).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 February 2003 23:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't believe no one has mentioned 'Oh No, It's Selwyn Frogget'.

During my recent visit to the land of non-stop sit-coms I enjoyed 'Dinner Ladies', 'The Good Life' and a weird documentary about a poison pen campaign in a small village. I watched it because nowadays they tip you off about bad language before the programme starts. 'Joanne Something has a big cunt' - how often do you hear poetry like that on television?

I think the best one ever is 'Steptoe and Son'.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 9 February 2003 10:55 (twenty-three years ago)

seven months pass...
So much for the BBC poll. I like Mark Lewisohn's list, esp. for putting Reggie Perrin and the Good Life above Only Fools And Horses.

Top British and US sitcoms

1 The Phil Silvers Show (US)
2 Seinfeld (US)
3 Fawlty Towers (UK)
4 Porridge (UK)
5 Yes, Minister (UK)
6 Frasier ( US)
7 M*A*S*H (US)
8 Till Death Us Do Part (UK)
9 Hancock's Half-Hour/ Hancock (UK)
10 Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads? (UK)
11 The Larry Sanders Show (US)
12 The Mary Tyler Moore Show (US)
13 The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin (UK)
14 The Good Life (UK)
15 Steptoe and Son (UK)
16 Only Fools and Horses (UK)
17 Cheers (UK)
18 The Dick Van Dyke Show (US)
19 Dad's Army (UK)
20 The Simpsons (US)


Worst British Sitcoms
1 Sir Yellow (Yorkshire)
2 Up the Elephant and Round the Castle (Thames)
3 Trouble In Mind (LWT)
4 Take a Letter, Mr Jones (Southerni)
5 My Husband and I (1987-88) (Yorkshire)
6 Constant Hot Water (Central)
7 High and Dry (Yorkshire)
8 Come Back Mrs Noah (BBC)
9 Tripper's Day/Slinger's Day (Thames)
10 High Street Blues (LWT)
11 Room Service (Thames)
12 Romany Jones (LWT)
13 Rule Britannia (Thames)
14 Selwyn (Yorkshire)
15 Don't Drink the Water (LWT)
16 Odd Man Out (Thames)
17 In for a Penny ( LWT)
18 Plaza Patrol (Yorkshire)
19 Yus My Dear (LWT)
20 Bottle Boys (LWT)

I know nothing about any of the top 20 worst ones except for 'Up the Elephant and Round the Castle'. 'Take A Letter Mr Jones' sounds hilariously predictable though.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 07:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, props for rating the little known British remake of 'Cheers' above the overrated US original.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 08:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Of the worst I recall: Selwyn was Selwyn Froggit wunnit? Bottle Boys was about milkies (obv) and I think was another Jim Davidson - saw it on UK Gold. Come Back Mrs Noah was bonkers stuff with Molly Slocombe in space. And Tripper's Day was leonard Rossiter's last telly, when he died they replaced him with Brucey Forsyth (Slinger's Day).

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 08:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Cheers, Seinfeld, Larry Sanders, Soap, Happy Days, early Cosby Show, Perrin, Eerie Indiana, Spaced, Phoenix Nights, The Office, Rising Damp, Sanford & Son, Steptoe & Son, early Roseanne, early Frasier, Dear John, The Good Life, Ever Decreasing Circles, Citizen Smith, Only Fools & Horses, The Wonder Years...

i love sitcoms

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

what was that sitcom about Hitler that sky comissioned in their earliest days? or am i imagining things?

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

'Take A Letter Mr Jones' sounds hilariously predictable though.

It was, too: male secretary slogs/acts as minder for female boss. Ooh, the hilarity.

Still watched it though, as it had Mr. Humphries from Are You Being Served?

The greatest sitcoms, IMHO:

Fawlty Towers
Dick Van Dyke show
Coupling
Father Ted
Odd Couple
Cosby Show
Cheers
Frasier (for the first 6 seasons, anyhoo)
All In The Family
Waiting for God


Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Coupling !?!?!?!?!!!!!! WTF? that was awful.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Not as bad as the US version will prolly be, Ed. Can you say "pilot episode, straight to hiatus"?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

That Lewisohn list is one of the better I've seen recently, even if Larry Sanders ahead of Steptoe and Son is one of the most laughable things I've ever heard.

For once and for all: can someone tell me the difference between Coupling and Two Pints of Lager? Which one has Ralf Little in? Is that the one with the guy who used to be in Hollyoaks?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Which one has Ralf Little in?

"Two Pints of Lager...."

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

So is AbFab overrated/too one-note?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Nope, tis just a bit of drunk, cracked-up fun. Liked it from the instant I saw the first episode years ago, in the UK: the righteous can say, "There but for the grace of God" and the ex-party gals can celebrate their memories

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I almost forgot about Dear John!! OMG, I must have had a Judd Hirsch fixation in the '80s because I watched both Dear John and Taxi frequently back then. I loved WKRP in Cincinnati, but the "new" version they tried to do in the early '90s was quite crap. Northern Exposure transcended genres -- it was one of the best comedies and dramas TV's ever produced. Keeping Up Appearances makes me happy, as does As Time Goes By. I adore Are You Being Served?. I love The George Lopez Show (it is so true-to-life!), Family Ties (wanted to be Alex P. Keaton, not surprisingly), and Mad About You.

Ta-daaaaaaa.

Legendary Nothingness (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 2 October 2003 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Stevie - the Hitler sitcom was 'Heil Honey I'm Home!' and it was BSB before they got taken over by Sky.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 2 October 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The Phil Silvers Show as the best sitcom ever? WTF?

Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 2 October 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(The American version of Coupling was awful as expected)

JuliaA (j_bdules), Thursday, 2 October 2003 07:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i watched both Dear John and Dear John USA as a kid and both sucked. surprised Red Dwarf doesn't get more love (do people not think of it as a sitcom?), although it hasn't aged too well apart from the first two series which retain a neat sense of tension, claustrophobia and bleakness amongst the nob gags.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 2 October 2003 08:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I almost forgot about Dear John!! OMG, I must have had a Judd Hirsch fixation in the '80s because I watched both Dear John and Taxi frequently back then.

I was referring to the UK edition - very depressing and claustrophobic, IN A GOOD WAY. wouldn't mind seeing the US version, not least because it lasted a season longer. I thought they were releasing Dear John on DVD around the same time the Citizen Smith box 'dropped', but i haven't seen it anywhere... Still love the episode with ralph the mobile DJ.

surprised Red Dwarf doesn't get more love

I loved the first season; from then on it kind of gets lost in this desire to e a catch-phrase-heavy comedy for the Star Trek loving Colin Hunts of the world...

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 2 October 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

"Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt" was BRILLIANT! Starring Bill Maynard, script by Alan Plater; it was like "Emmerdale" done by Edward Albee.

Sad to see no mention in either best or worst of Milligan's "Curry & Chips"...

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 2 October 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The Phil Silvers Show deserves props for inventing Top Cat.

robster (robster), Thursday, 2 October 2003 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Mind Expansion Episode # 354,569: There was a UK Dear John? I must investigate further!

Legendary Nothingness (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 2 October 2003 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Welcome Back Kotter....end of story.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 2 October 2003 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

the UK version of Dear John came first. i really wouldn't bother investigating tho.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 2 October 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...
That was a definite bid for greatness from the Royle Family yesterday, covering the 'big' issues of life and death.

But did it work? It was worryingly sentimental.

On the other hand, it was incredibly refreshing to get away from the comedy of embarrassment with which Gervais and others have dominated the screens in the last few years.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 30 October 2006 08:10 (nineteen years ago)

Royle Family's been playing that emo schtick since ep 1. Is that the first one you've seen?

You've Had Your Chances (noodle vague), Monday, 30 October 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I thought that was amazing last night, one of the best hours I have spent in front of the telly for a long time. Few bits didn't quite work (Jim and Twiggy doing the laminate flooring in a "let's try to recreate the Mambo #5 bit, people liked that!" kind of way, Cheryl's crap dates, etc), but overall it was pretty much well-observed and wonderful, as were most of the original episodes. I thought it might be like Cracker coming back (i.e. shite), but it pretty much looked like it had never been away.

Caroline Aherne should write more telly.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 30 October 2006 08:21 (nineteen years ago)

x-post

I saw most of the first series years ago, and got bored with it after that. This episode seemed to have upped the stakes a bit in terms its ambitions as a comedy.

I enjoyed it tremendously, so I feel a bit mean criticising, it but you could feel the heartstrings being pulled on a bit too much.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 30 October 2006 08:30 (nineteen years ago)

Wonderful throwaway sight gag last night: Cheryl wiping away a tear at Nana's wake with Hula-Hoops on every finger. I thought it was pretty great.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 30 October 2006 08:38 (nineteen years ago)

Not necessarily in order:

All In The Family
Seinfeld
Cheers (before Rebecca was a complete loser and the show started jumping sharks with celebrities, etc.)
Frazier
Mary Tyler Moore
Taxi
Soap
Cosby Show
Stark Raving Mad
MASH (before Alan Alda took things too seriously)
WKRP In Cincinnati -absolute best approach to a serious episode of all time had to be the one with The Who concert when people were trampled to death due to festival seating. It paid proper respects but still managed to be a funny sitcom. Additionally I think I'd have to say that Johnny Fever is my favourite television character of all time, followed pretty closely by Venus Flytrap. Two characters who really managed to be "cool" without being tough guys. Too many classic moments with Johnny and drugs too!

shorty (shorty), Monday, 30 October 2006 08:50 (nineteen years ago)

larry sanders show
newsradio
seinfeld
curb yr enthusiasm

a.b. (alanbanana), Monday, 30 October 2006 10:15 (nineteen years ago)

I watched Deal Or No Deal instead.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 30 October 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

you all know what i'm going to say. it's shot, as far as i'm concerned, straight to no. 1

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Monday, 30 October 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

Clever multichannel intertextuality (if indeed they thought of it) with Deal Or No Deal ending on C4 and Royle Family opening with the cast watching Deal Or No Deal.

Generally, however, it tried too hard, and yet not hard enough.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 30 October 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

I wish I had known that was going to happen, I could have freaked out my mother-in-law.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

too bad they didn't show them watching Two Pints Of Lager And A Packet Of Crisps, then flipping over to ITV3 for a repeat of post-Ecclescakes Cracker

;_; (blueski), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

five years pass...

Was watching an early ep of "Yes Minister" when a thought popped up:

Have there been any good/great American sitcoms that deal with hierarchy? You have English shows like YM or Blackadder that are all about it, but the only American one I can think of is maybe 30 Rock. Does Gomer Pyle USMC count?

And YM and 30 Rock have a similar thing with their characters going on, only the relative power levels are swapped.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 17 August 2012 18:15 (thirteen years ago)

six years pass...

Ken Berry was a very talented, musical performer who showed his best stuff on Carol Burnett. But for my generation, he'll always be known for this (and no, you couldn't do this opening today). RIP. https://t.co/QLc03uzdHg

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) December 2, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:46 (seven years ago)

btw I'm assuming Perrin is talking about irreverence toward the military -- no longer permitted on SNL -- not "Where paleface and r*dskin both turn chicken"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:50 (seven years ago)

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I was concerned I might agree with him for once.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:55 (seven years ago)

keep on flakin' and supporting the cavalry

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)


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