Rolling 'Leftists' Who Actively Hate Working Class People Thead

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-spare-me-the-tears-over-the-white-working-class-1225824.html

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=40

that report that she's talking about was based on a survey of 46 people

A pox on the houses of anyone who's written about this bullshit on the left or the right in the past week.

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=40

The economy thread, anyway.

how so?

yasmin alibhai-challops more like

nicole otm

lol the economy thread is like 99% people bitching abt stock brokers economists and politicians

and I was sure this was going to be about Polly Toynbee

At risk of inflaming the prolier than thou amongst us, 2009 is the year I cease to tolerate being told by people who've done appx 0 days' work in their lives how those damn furriners are stealing 'their' jobs. This goes x1000 for the Americans in my family who only get off their arses to grab a beer/coke from their fridges.

yasmin alibhai-brown otm

Oh, and they are never to be called racist, not even the scum who drop shit and firebombs through letter boxes of asylum-seekers on estates.

^^ hmmm

Rolling responding to lazy hysterical rhetoric with more lazy hysterical rhetoric thread.

• Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates
• Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates
• Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates
• Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates
• Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates
• Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates
• Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates
• Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates
• Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates
• Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates
• Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates

At risk of inflaming the prolier than thou amongst us, 2009 is the year I cease to tolerate being told by people who've done appx 0 days' work in their lives how those damn furriners are stealing 'their' jobs. This goes x1000 for the Americans in my family who only get off their arses to grab a beer/coke from their fridges.

― choomescent (suzy), Monday, January 5, 2009 5:36 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

suzy, exactly how often do long-term unemployed proletarians come up to you and say that sort of thing?

My sister's husband cannot get through a visit without being racist, sexist or homophobic. He is the picture of an undereducated, spoilt white boy who thinks he's entitled to diss anyone darker than him for employment interloping. As to the Brits, my life is a lot more varied than writing for a living might indicate; I've lived in all sorts of settings and people who know me better than you do aren't rushing to challenge my bona fides.

I'm pretty sure everyone who notes letterboxers' activities bullying refugee neighbours notes their racism. YAB needs to rein it back mmmmm a bit.

• Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates

hahaha. Headline of the year already

So is your sister's husband working class? Or are you just adding ad hominem data to this thread for our benefit?

lol people who spend all day on internet message boards talking about "working"

shit thread

yasmin alibhai-brown otm

― lex pretend, Monday, 5 January 2009 16:40 (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Hi Lex! Both yourself and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown went to Oxford University, correct me if I'm wrong. Last year, of a yearly student intake of 4,500 students, only 26 of these were black. Now clearly, the middle classes have no history of institutional racism, which is why all British institutions have unfettered access for people of all ethnicities. But why so few blacks at Oxford? Is it because they're more keen on singing and dancing than education? Or have the working class infiltrated Oxford? Please help me understand.

wow, issues of race complicate issues of class, thats pretty crazy

I mean, this article is just borne of an utterly inane premise: YAB was part of the most educated, moneyed wave of immigrants in history, and as such her family found it easy to walk into positions of power, respect, etc. You might want to ask yr average Bangladeshi family who have been dicked around and ripped off by their employers and local authorities for the past ten years how grateful they are to the middle classes for the awesome support they've given them over the years.

Dom, I'm sure you know more about my/Lex's life than either of us like I'm sure the sky is bright magenta. Nobody else is bringing a personal attack here, unless on YAB, and your remarks re: her are just fair comment, eh?

Americans of my BIL's stripe could have ZERO money or assets and still consider themselves middle-class, it's kind of an inversion of middle-class Britishes insisting they're working class innit. His dad was an ex-military Militia type who refused to pay taxes. The only thing his son inherited was entitlement issues.

Yeah, but we're talking about British issues in a British thread with British posters about an article written by a British author... it'd be logical to assume we'd be taking terms in their British definition, surely?

Didn't YAB write some awful "Let's Move Into A Post-Multicultural World" book a few years back anyway, that basically said "So the values of the white middle class are fucking awesome, why would anyone want multiculturalism?"

Probably. Let's just say lady lives in the "now" ie brane of goldfish.

I would like to personally thank all posters on this thread for their insight and restraint in tackling this sensitive issue and for not being at all shrill or sweeping or willfully stupid.

why would anyone want multiculturalism?

good question tho

x-post

Or that she's a pundit, and so it doesn't particularly matter if she's a self-contradictory hypocrite, as long as people read her column. Mission accomplished!

Suze, do you think if you spit-shined this article, put a different spin on some of the parts, but kept its central tenets, it could have been a JClarkson piece?

xxxp

why would anyone want multiculturalism?

good question tho

― Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Monday, 5 January 2009 17:16 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Because my family came to this country to work and not to play cricket/drink real ale/Morris dance.

Those were just a bonus.

xp. ^^^ real talk!

i hate all of those things

My father came to this country with a suitcase, a packet of cigarettes, and a dream.

That dream was to attend a pantomime.

nothing in the suitcase?

Just hope.

And three kilos of cocaine.

My father's father did the same just after the war. Minus the cocaine and the panto penchant.

not even Gugs the Gunny?

xpost times three

tbh i don't even know what YAB is on about.

"Perhaps there will be brief respite when Britain will not blame the outsider for all its woes."

say what? perhaps i don't spend enough time with the proles but who even does this? people seem to be blaming gordon brown and the bankers-with-their-suits-and-ties and the bureaucrats who run the social services and blah blah blah. not so much immigrants. non-uk nationals actually outnumber uk nationals in my house; i will ask around.

come off it, immigrants are blamed for stuff all the fucking time. but it's mostly amalgamated into a 'abusing benefits system and laughing at us in the process plus making the place more overcrowded and stretching our public services to breaking point'.

i blame... the jews

Yeah, but making out that immigrants (including, hey, doctors, bankers, and others) are more "the outsider" to the system than the white working class (including, hey, people of absolutely no fucking influence whatsoever) is just disingenuous.

xp

max otm

you are a funny little man

NB I don't think anyone on ILX blames 'the outsider' for their woes; the greater world, diff story. HYS bears this out nicely.

So does "outsider" in this situation mean "outside the system" or "outside the societal norm"?

welcome back enrique

xpost Usually it means "anyone who's not me, or my family, or my mates", which neatly covers immigrants/bankers/Gordon Brown/that bloke over there. Out-group homogeneity, of a sort, I suppose (ie EVERYONE'S A CUNT).

welcome back enrique

― TOMBOT, Monday, January 5, 2009 6:36 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

didn't i do well?

first race thread of '09?

i'm calling it.

http://fourfour.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b8c369e2010536ac0706970c-pi

lol

Andre O'Hagan bringin' the sweeping generalisations:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/jan/10/andrew-ohagan-george-orwell-memoriallecture

Oh my god, that last paragraph.

Patronising rubbish, innit.

did not get far with that, but the bits i could bring myself to read were depressingly predictable, sources-wise. don't think he quoted any working-class writers, for example. hoggart is a difficult case and not a very reliable authority.

did not get far with that, but the bits i could bring myself to read

lol age of indifference also ultralulz @ guardian most read sidebar

OK, I've just speed-read that now. I don't actually know where to begin. So I won't.

I've repped for O'Hagan in the past, for reasons both personal and journalistic. That, though ... what a smug fucking cunt. "Sources-wise" ... what fucking sources? Come back with citations and definitions and I might -- might -- consider reading what you have to say in the future. On that basis, though ... ach, fuck off, you fannybawed fuck.

(Which is not, I accept, a particularly eloquent response. But it's better than that bollocks deserves.)