is SCARFACE (the1983 one, fuckwits) the grate-est film of all time?

(Translation- "f-ing cockroach")

Classic of course.

You do realize that you're defending Puff Daddy, right?

DePalma is a hack. Discuss, please. If someone can actually tell me how a person can shamelessly reference AND ape Hitchcock for so damn long and not get called on it, I'd be very appreciative. (And _Snake Eyes_ is the garbage that garbage throws in the garbage - from the ham-it-up performances to shooting its load ONE HOUR IN to the Meredith Brooks outro music.)

Somehow, DePalma & Oliver Stone (...ugh...) managed to cancel each other's bad juju and put together a decent flick.

Scarface is a bit of a dud, but it was redeemed a bit in 1990 when the Geto Boys plundered all that was good about it for their second record. You don't even need to see the movie, really -- just buy that record. It's better than the movie. Flavor Flav also helped redeem the movie around the same time ("Welcome to the Terrordome," if I'm not mistaken).

Boing.

But I'm being catty for no apparent reason. I'll hush.

Re Brian DePalma: yea, his career is a bit ass innit? Never really lived up to his potential (contemporary of Scorsese and Coppola, and DePalma was the one who discovered Robert DeNiro for what it's worth). Still, gotta give him his props for Carrie, Dressed to Kill, Blow Out, Greetings and Hi, Mom! (the latter two being late sixties/early seventies films that are hard to get, but must see if you can). I also loved how he ripped off Battleship Potemkin for the baby-carriage scene from The Untouchables (and how DeNiro stole the show in that one -- "Fuck you AND your family!" was the perfect line to throw at Kevin Costner). I'll even stick up for Mission to Mars, which was pretty unfairly maligned (hype can be overly negative, too, ya know).

And, am I the only one round here who hated Silence of the Lambs? Speak about overrated dreck.

Pacino's def. classic -- he, DeNiro, and Clint Eastwood are the Holy Trinity of American actors :-)

as for DePalma: untouchable in the 70s, 'Carrie' is utter genius. Then he blew it in the 80s. And please someone explain why that 'Nam movie, where I *always* forget the title of, is supposed to be a masterpiece, I read the Kael review of it recently and it was as if she was talking around the actual movie. Needless to say Mission to Mars is a joke (although that Van Halen-thingy was pretty ace).

Enough of that ... what do folks in here think about Scarface's chainsaw-in-the-bathroom scene?

(and funny that this thread should come back to life, since i just rented "scarface" last night.)

Pacino will always be the best actor around .....

so keep your bad comments to yourself.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!

damn i was looking for pics of scarface and ran across your dumb ass remarks,,,,,you must not have a life ,,, do ya ?? :)

Let's see...*what* were you doing again?

The soundtrack of the 1983 Scarface features on the 'Flashback FM' retro station on Grand Theft Auto 3.

I always thought there was more Doc Savage than anything else in Indiana (Quartermain's British, bit of a different angle there)

Here's what Scarface has going for it:

--A foreboding, ominous synth theme song by Giorgio Moroder
--Gratuitous violence that doesn't threaten the audience (since it's mostly gangsters and thugs that get killed and they take pains to spare women/children towards the end)
--Cute one-liners and egregious yet entertaining Pacino scenery-chewing

Here's what it has going against it:

--A ridiculous arc that is probably more like a rectangle. Almost immediately upon reaching the pinnacle of his success, Montana falls from grace with little rhyme or reason. You'd think in a three hour movie they could have set that up a bit better.

--One-dimensional characters. Not only is Montana irascible with few redeeming qualities, he seems to exist for the sheer purpose of dispensing people on-camera and shouting lines that would eventually be sampled on rap albums.

--Bloated length. Why did this movie have to be three hours if there wasn't any real depth to it, when it could have easily been 2 hours and covered the same ground?

--It's been so oft-imitated since, that retroactively, it hasn't aged well. That's certainly not its fault, however De Palma had to realize the movie was going to spawn its imitators (not that it too wasn't an imitator, because it was)....

but all in all, I'd still watch it on a Saturday night because it's a good brainless action movie. Gimme Carlito's Way over it though.

The scenes are purposely long so they can accomodate the 12" version of "She's on Fire", duh...

For all I could say against this one ... all movies I don't particularly like should be so entertaining.

For all I could say against this one ... all movies I don't particularly like should be so entertaining.

Seriously. When I saw this movie, I really didn't like it that much, but I had to admit - it was entertaining as all hell.

Loggia and F. Murray Abraham's characters were AWESOME, and what can you say about a double-prong, gold coke straw?

Come to think of it, what would be a more appropriate name for said implment? Calling it a coke pipe invokes crack or freebasing, and i don't think hose really applies well either.

if it weren't for this movie, what posters would 19 year old puerto rican "thug lyfes" hang up on their walls?

F. Murray Abraham is and was the shit...no arguments there!

i hate this movie, but is very entertaining. but i hate it. so i guess that de palma succeeded.

I like how the end credits are on the far left of the screen, so they can fit Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio's name in.

Whuh?? She was Maid Marian in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves?? MY BRANE!!!!

if it weren't for this movie, what posters would 19 year old puerto rican "thug lyfes" hang up on their walls?

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/TEE_5SUN/UVM108~Carlito-s-Way-Silhouette-Posters.jpg

is SCARFACE (the1983 one, fuckwits) the grate-est film of all time?

No.

F. Murray Abraham meets his end in a particularly spectacular way, though.

just about EVERYONE in this film does, though!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/Eisbaer29/fmurrayabraham.jpg

I dunno -- being tortured and then hung from a hovering chopper is pretty tough to top.

The amount of shitty merchandise associated with this movie is incredible. The range of images from the movie available painted on canvas - under conditions I don't even want to think about - is particularly impressive.

x-post I prefer that bit where the shark jumps up to get him though.

I'm still waiting for Lifetime sequal: "Mama Montana - Moving On"

The amount of shitty merchandise associated with this movie is incredible. The range of images from the movie available painted on canvas - under conditions I don't even want to think about - is particularly impressive.

That's because there's a nation of slackjawed hip hop douchebags eager to pay money for it.

The really disturbing thing is that that it seems to be douchebags international - I'm sure you can buy the same images in Petersperg, Sao Paolo, Beijing and Madras.

I just watched this for the first time the other night. So long I had to move into another room to finish watching it to allow my friend sleep.
It is one of the films to choose on my new project brief to design a new opening sequence & dvd menu for, mostly using Flash. THankfully it isn't overly impressive at the moment.

one-liner poll?

Scarface also provides the best fancy dress going. Easy costume, bit of make-up and a ready-made character for the whole night, with great one-liners.

Yeah my Elvira costume gets everyone talking at parties.

The amount of shitty merchandise associated with this movie is incredible. The range of images from the movie available painted on canvas - under conditions I don't even want to think about - is particularly impressive.

That's because there's a nation of slackjawed hip hop douchebags eager to pay money for it.

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how many stupid band t-shirts do you own dude

http://www.ie-forums.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/thumb_1586224daaamn6be.jpg

The really disturbing thing is that that it seems to be douchebags international - I'm sure you can buy the same images in Petersperg, Sao Paolo, Beijing and Madras.

This is true. I know a Czech family living in London who have a Scarface poster in the living room.

Were they gypsies living illegally?

ok I am maybe not the dude you'd expect to say this but why is it especially disturbing for people to idolize Scarface and get little knockoff trinkets to express their identification with him? is he somehow different from the innumerable outlaws (many of them, yes, also cold-blooded murderers) who've been idolized & admired by people, especially working class people, throughout history? dude gets a lot of money and does what he wants, goes down in a blaze of glory = he wins, he doesn't have to work a fucking shit job all his life and spend his days with the taste of other people's ass on his lips. people see that story and go "damn, beats the fuck outta pushing pencils all goddamn day." how is this "disturbing" - are people supposed to be sanctimonious "oh but he got the money through CRIME" handwringers?

j0hn bringin the fire & the fury

My Joe Hill tees for Scarface tees program never did get off the ground.

it's not disturbing, just douchy and tasteless. Someone plz to make to make real film glamorizing exotic gangsters.

Why is it douche-y?

I realize you may have met lots of tasteless douchebags with Scarface throw pillows or whatever, but correlation =/= causation.

dude gets a lot of money and does what he wants, goes down in a blaze of glory = he wins, he doesn't have to work a fucking shit job all his life and spend his days with the taste of other people's ass on his lips. people see that story and go "damn, beats the fuck outta pushing pencils all goddamn day."

don't the people that think like this count as kinda douche-y?

thick-headed overwrought drama = douchy and yeah some guilt by association on the side

is he somehow different from the innumerable outlaws (many of them, yes, also cold-blooded murderers) who've been idolized & admired by people, especially working class people, throughout history?

this reminds of when bobby brady idolized jesse james, but them mike brady brings around a guy whose family was killed by jesse james, and bobby brady is all 'damn'.

they should have just made it charles manson.

the scene right before the shootout in tony's club, there's richard belzer doing stand-up and then this creepy guy in a mask and fat-suit is dancing to "strangers in the night"... wtf @ that scene

push it to the limit
limiiiiiiiiiiiittttttt

dude really loved his sister

they should have just made it charles manson.

This just made me realize what's so annoying about the Scarface worship. Dude is hardly a real outlaw. He's just a symbol of your typical American Dream, entrepreneurial spirit yuppie bullshit. At least real old west outlaws were dirty longhaired beardos like Manson. Might as well just put a Gordon Gekko poster on your wall.

Careful. The cognitive dissonance your infernal words are creating will soon lead to your getting called a Corny Old West Fuxxor.

I hope this works...
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thank you stumble!

I'm surprised that sequence didn't end with a freeze-frame of Tony and Manny, mid-air in a high-five.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:15 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark

I would like an artist's conception of this image airbrushed onto a XXL white tee asap

I really liked the little detail from the first lunch at Sosa's place where after the lunch is taken away the waiters bring them lemon water to wash their hands in - and Pacino just starts digging into his lemon and spitting the seeds back into the bowl

the rest of this movie....ehh. Pacino's transmission only has one gear in this movie and it gets tiring after about 30 minutes

I just love the idea of Walken playing Tony Montana. Somebody do something with this, somewhere, somehow.

What the fuck is up with Octavio from the club shooting? Did people actually used to go out and see stuff like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj2Iw5CepMc

Love that scene - assumed every single person in that club was high?

Safe assumption. This poor guy, Octavio.