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*Dope is a boring, self-indulgent, introverting drug that causes very dull and talentless people to think that they are very interesting and talented and play the bongos and talk in very pseudo-profound tones about the meaning of life. Most serious (as opposed to recreational) dope-smokers I know are pious, opinionated, reactionary and small-minded, and many are also very selfish in oblique ways. They also tend to be lazy and unfocused, as well as unreliable and forgetful. Dope smokers have crap senses of humour and cannot maintain serious emotional relationships. Dope smokers like bad music.*

How much of this is me being biased against pot, and how much is true?

How many of us smoke pot, and how much do we smoke?

If you wake up and roll yourself a joint straight away do you have the same kind of problem as someone who wakes up and pours themself a scotch?

Does smoking hideous quantities of dope place you in a state of suspended adolescence or arrested emotional / social development?

Things that have inspired this thread - 1; bumping into some old school mates of mine who I've not really seen in five or so years on friday, and them being maniacally high and basically telling me that they are still doing now what they were doing when we were 15, ie; as little as possible apart from smoke dope and pretend to be counter-cultural revolutionaries / pop stars from their darkened, smoke-filled and Playstation-centred living room. 2; Danny McNamara talking about boys having a tough time of it on Lamacq tonight, and lots of teenage boys talking about how depressed they are and how they smoke lots of dope and how it makes them more depressed, etcetera. And 3; a chat to an old uni mate of mine about my ex-housemate who is habitually and psychologically addicted to dope and has a fantastic career picking lettuces despite his 2;2 in Media Studies.

Nick Southall, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Southall: You're fucking tedious. On the one thread you're saying about how yr socking it to the man by quitting yr job in advertising/marketing (wtf did u expect from that job in the first place?) and following yr hearts desire and now yr on about yr mate "who has a fantastic career picking lettuces despite his 2;2 in Media Studies". If anyones het up about wanting to look like "counter- cultural revolutionary" it's you.

michael bourke, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yr booze/pub tedious are equally 'boring' and 'self-indulgent' - pl. use other cliches/sweeping generalisations.

Andrew L, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I hate the taste of marijuana (I'm probably giving away my age by spelling it that way, concensus seems to change every 2 yrs at least). But I prefer the taste to the smell. And the smell isn't half as bad as the health risks. But even the carcinogens and lung destroying agents aren't the worst thing of all about the stuff:

Like living in Sydney or practising law, the worst thing to cope with when you're smoking dope is the company of others doing the same. Dope smokers, whether because of the dope or natural inclination which leads them to it in the first place, are full of self- delusions, the chief one being that they are vaguely interesting.

No Nick, you are not biased. I see no evidence in your statement that you discriminate against dope smokers in favor of any other kind of self-indulgent, bullshit-ridden, attention-seeking wankers who think the sun shines out of their backsides.

BJ, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i didn't drink AT ALL or do ANY drugs between the ages of 16 and 36

At age 36 I was *!*!*MONUMENTALLY*!*!* bored with who I had become. (On the other hand, I have a pitch-perfect memory...)

mark s, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Did you do LOADS of drinking and drug-taking before you were 16 then?

Nick Southall, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, none.

mark s, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just picked those number because they are both perfect squares. DO YOU SEE?

mark s, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, it's beautiful.

Nick Southall, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You're my besht friend and I luhv you!! *falls off stool*

mark s, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

How much of this is me being biased against pot, and how much is true?

my edited version: "dope is an introverted drug that sometimes causes very dull and talentless people to express how very interesting they think they've always thought they were (even before they started smoking dope) but sometimes provides pleasant and interesting experiences to people who are pleasant and interesting in the first place. most serious dope-smokers are basically just as dull and tedious as most people who don't smoke dope, and as with people who don't smoke dope, some of them are not. (the dope-smoking does, however, tend to make the divisions clearer.) serious dope-smokers also tend to be lazy because you have to be sort of lazy in the first place to find a whole lot of time to be on drugs and probably not accomplishing a lot of conventionally productive stuff. since smoking dope changes one's perceptions in slight and often amusing ways, dope smokers tend to be amused by a lot of stuff that's going on in their own heads; if they are dumb people these things they're amused by will be dumb, whereas if they're clever people these things they're amused by will probably be clever. (again, this is basically the same as people who don't smoke dope, only more pronounced.) spending a lot of time smoking dope will also make it difficult to maintain serious emotional relationships with people who don't smoke dope, just as spending a lot of time collecting stamps may make it difficult to maintain serious emotional relationships with people who aren't interested in stamps. a lot of dope-smokers have bad taste in music, as do a lot of people who don't smoke dope. whatever taste in music they do have, it's possible that dope-smokers are listening to that music slightly differently than other people, the same way people who always listen to music in the car are listening to music differently that people who are always listening to music in bed.

If you wake up and roll yourself a joint straight away do you have the same kind of problem as someone who wakes up and pours themself a scotch?

yes. unless you are on vacation, in both cases. pot-smoking is obviously a recreational activity, and it can seriously distract you from accomplishing everyday things. smoking pot all the time will mess with your non-recreational life the same way going bowling all the time will mess with your non-recreational life: you won't get anything done.

Does smoking hideous quantities of dope place you in a state of suspended adolescence or arrested emotional / social development?

see bowling, above: if you spend an inordinate amount of your time doing things that other people don't do, whether it's smoking pot or bowling or reading the NME, you may indeed miss out on a lot of the social and emotional developments you would otherwise have been having. this is particularly true if you're getting high by yourself all the time: doing anything by yourself all the time is socially stunting. alternately, you may wind up following a weird developmental path that's contingent upon being high, a developmental path that's not going to be very helpful when you're not high and trying to deal with not-high things. this is also why people probably shouldn't smoke very much pot until they're close to 20: by that point you've figured out what you mean to do with yourself apart from being high all the time, and are less likely to get carried away and distracted and start framing your whole life around getting high because you have no idea what you actually want to accomplish.

none of the above are reasons why smoking pot in itself is a bad thing. if you're dull and have bad taste and can't find anything better to do with yourself than being high all the time, then pot will leave you dull and with bad taste and doing nothing besides getting high all the time: obviously. but it's silly to create this category of "pot-smoker" and then point out that loads of pot-smokers are idiots: loads of everyone are idiots. there's no reason pot-smoking should be any different. pot-smokers just tend to be idiots of a particular type, so people mentally create this category of "pot-smoker," ignoring the countless people who smoke pot but don't actually fall into that pot-idiot stereotype: "sure they smoke pot, but they're not pot-smokers."

buck strickland, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

smoking pot may cause you to get distracted and forget to close html tags.

buck strickland, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nitsuh that was so great i'm not even going to post your last name.

ethan, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's like ketchup: it's only good with other things. i'd rather read a "dijon mustard: c or d?" thread, personally

geeta, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm a negative creep and i'm stoned

dave q, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I really dislike smoking but eating it in CAKE!? ++! Although I do not do that often (ONCE) but it was a lot more enjoyable than coff coff and also more CALORIFIC yum. I often think my generally anti- drug stance is because I = boring though.

Sarah, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i think its largely a bias nick, but its a bias i tend to share. i think the archetype you outline above is maybe an exaggerated one though? having said that, dope lends itself to overuse in a way that e/acid or even alcohol don't, so the exaggeration above often becomes the norm?

myself? i don't smoke it, it makes me feel tired, which i don't like

as for the lettuce picker, i kind of know what you mean, but if they are happy it doesn't matter does it (i think there is too much emphasis on employment-led identity/status in this country). also, does a 2:2 in media studies get you that far these day? (with the huge number of degrees floating about)

gareth, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

by overuse i meant constant use (a la cigarettes)

gareth, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

worst drug experience i've ever had was on "space cake" (as the nice cafe owner called it). i do not enjoy being paranoid with people i wuv.

am I PARANOID?????

Alan Trewartha, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've used a spliff before bedtime as a way of getting to sleep for a long time now. My use is habitual, but not excesive. I don't think you can lump people into one group so easily. That said I decided last week to knock it on the head, temporarily at least, because I think I'm falling down the slippery slope to paranioa. Paranioa vs insomnia - fite!

Anna, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, you're paranoid.

Hmm, Glastonbury mushroom fudge.

The problem with marijuana is that it can make interesting people less interesting but it certainly makes boring people more talkative. And that's me saying that.

Pete, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What do you mean I'm paranoid? Why have you said that?

Anna, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually answering Alang, but your response is more than adequte. In what form does this paranoia / insomnia take?

Pete, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Doesn't insomnia usually take the form of not being able to sleep? I have the opposite of this I think. I am always falling asleep and get very grumpy if I don't get AT LEAST 8 hours.

Emma, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the trouble sleeping is just pyscological. I've knocked myself out by having a spliff for so long now I'm not used to falling asleep naturally. This is bad and this is what I'm trying to change.

Anna, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My cure for insomnia = have a deeply tedious waking life but a grebt dream life.

Emma, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't really bother with hash/weed much.

That is to say I rarely buy it. Sometimes myself and a few mates will buy a small enough amount if we're going away somewhere for a weekend, or if we're going out clubbing and want a spliff afterwards, but I don't even bother with that anymore.

I think it has its place on a Sunday night when you have one or two joints between 3 or 4 of us and we talk about whatever happened at the weekend. But when I see people drinking and smoking hash on a night out or something, I think it's stupid.

I've definitely had a few fantastic moments after yoghurts and the like, half hours or so of hysterical laughter with friends. But they're rare. I'd rather do it when I had nothing whatsoever else to do, generally.

Ronan, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yoghurts? Easy Ronan - Muller Light - it screws you up.

Pete, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've explained this before, it's not some insane Irish thing, it fucking can't be.

Ronan, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it must be. I've seen all manner of stupid arse ways of getting stoned courtesy of assorted friends and relatives but never once witnessed or even heard of the yoghurt thing until you mentioned it here.

RickyT, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Explain it again!

Sarah, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've done the yoghurt thing Ronan.

Anna, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry - what is the 'the yoghurt thing'?

N., Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

One metal spoon from under your bed like true rebellious teen.

Put water/cooking oil in spoon.

Burn hash from lump and break bits off and put them on the spoon in the oil.

Then get a grown up to help you put a lighter under the spoon until the water boils or the oil gets hot and the hash melts into a paste. You look like a heroin addict at this point.

Stir it into a yoghurt, and eat the yoghurt. It takes about an hour to do anything but I've found it doesn't make you sleepy so much as it makes you laugh hysterically. Obviously you need resin.

I feel a fool explaining this, I'm not a stoner, I really amn't.

Ronan, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have the opportunity here to be to yoghurt what Marianne Faithfull is to Mars bars ...

Anna, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If Ronan hadn't posted a sensible explanation before me.

Anna, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

FSVO sensible

RickyT, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sensible is relative

Anna, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh good - I thought it was some kind of 'secret' legal high tale à la banana skins.

N., Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Or some sort of anti-thrush treatment.

Pete, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have done 'the yoghurt thing' as I hate the sensation of smoking, but in retrospect I wish I HAD used it as a thrush treatment instead. Probably would have been more enjoyable - I ate far too much (mm tasty yoghurt) and spent a terrible, shaky, hallucinatory night. I am a bit of a control freak when it comes to my own mind, so I don't like using anything psychoactive to excess. But I have no particular feelings towards pot philosophically, socially or morally - just as I don't bother to develop an 'attitude' towards coffee or tea or chocolate, I suppose.

Archel, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

a friend of mine once explained the yogurt thing to an actor that played dr who :-)

i.e. it's not an irish thing.

Alan Trewartha, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ethan what is a "nitush?"

buck strickland, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't thouch any substance that doesn't have a sell or use by date. This is my golden rule.

jel --, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What about water? And... other people.

N., Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmmmmm....*back to the drawing board*

jel --, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jel - yoghurt comes with a sell by date ...

Anna, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jesus I must've been mashed when I posted to this thread. MAKE MORE SENSE!!

Andrew L, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

a friend of mine once explained the yogurt thing to an actor that played dr who :-)

Was it Tom Baker? PLEASE tell me it was Tom Baker... Actually, it would be better if it was Pat Troughton.

Pot- yogurt as yeast infection cure is the funniest thing I've read today, BTW.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What doesn't kill you ain't worth taking

Lynskey, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i must admit being utterly fascinated by the yogurt concept. but i'm telling you: pasta with fresh basil and 'herb' pesto is the way to go. or as an ingredient in ice cream - great in freshly made hazelnut ice cream num num.

has anyone done a recipe thread yet?

geeta, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark S - yay! cos yr a 'square'

charles, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, you really ARE a square. So many squares just fronting.

charles, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sweet Jesus! How I laughed at the yoghurt concept. However, having this additional avenue allows dope mentalists even more scope: "Dude, I, like, make my own organic yoghurt and then flavour it with specialness myself" AD BLOODY NAUSEAM. I know a really fricking annoying pot evangelist physicist who has spent 5 years on his PhD due to spending far too much time boring the brain stem out of anyone he comes into contact with. And he dropped ash on my inflatable sofa, thus scarring it badly, the git.

that girl Liz, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
Seeing this thread again proves that smoking messes with your memory as Geeta and I had exactly the same yoghurt/ herb pesto conversation on Monday, and I can't speak for her but I don't even remember this coming up on ILE. Even now re-reading the thread.

Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got a dilemma, I was at somebody's house on Tuesday, the next morning they went out to work and I knew they had some weed so I thought I'd just go grab some. Anyway I searched all through the room and couldn't find it! Anyway in the bottom drawer underneath all the socks I found a CD that I have to have and wondering if I should steal it! I could burn a copy but that would mean going to the shop on the corner and getting a blank one. Should I just take the CD and leave the case, hoping that they forgot they ever had it? I had a copy on vinyl before but I gave it to someone

dave q, Wednesday, 6 August 2003 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)

It's Stevie Nicks 'Wild Heart' btw

dave q, Wednesday, 6 August 2003 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Why don't you buy it on vinyl again for what, $1?

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

dave, just go all out – grab the system, the t.v, basically any electronics you can carry. and liquor. bring me whatever boozes may be around there.

dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)


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