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Well,at least it's better than TPM vs. yea action,fx,nat pertmamm

a-33, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

an predictions for episode 3.

a-33, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But but but...it's not out yet?

jel --, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I had the chance to see it last Sunday and I thought... nah.

N., Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Um - I reckon in episode 3 everyone except Obi-Wan and Yoda dies and Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader. I know it sounds crazy but...

Pete, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

B-b-but Pete that can't be!!! Anakin is the HERO after all!

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bronchitis can tip anyone into the Dark Side though.

Pete, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The civil war must have cost alot...The clone troopers have much better outfits than the storm troopers. I don't feel so bad about storm troopers getting killed now, I always assumed they were conscripts not clones.

jel --, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh Jel, HATH NOT A CLONE EYES?

Got my tickets for Thursday and await it patiently.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This has really snuck up on me. I'm way more excited about seeing Spiderman, or at least I was until I saw the Jango Fett trailer with him firing the missile out of his backpack! I've been waiting 20 years for a missile to come out of a Fett backpack.

JOnnie, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

you wait 20 years for a missile to come out of a Fett backpack and then two come at once.

MarkH, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't have a ticket! Should I have got one? Oh damn! I guess I shall have to wait a week or so :(

jel --, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

wouldn't you be more excited about this if it was called ATTACK OF THE CREEPS ?

fritz, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The phantom creeps?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

man! what a movie! i felt like a kid again.

chaki, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The last 5th of the movie almost made up for the excruciating previous 4/5. Every single scene with Anakin and Padme made me want to gnaw my wrists open and bleed to death right there in the theatre so I wouldn't have to endure any more of their truly atrocious acting. Hayden Christiansen HAS to have fucked George Lucas--no one, not even Lucas, could ever think in a million years that HC can act at ALL. JESUS. He SUCKS. N Portman is pretty bad too, totally unattractive and the entitled-JAP thing she's got going on grates.

Christopher Lee is cool, but I don't think his character is developed enough, or at all. Yoda, Mace Windu both rocked. Jango Fett is a fruit as is his wee clone.

If it had been any other movie I would have left after like 3 minutes of HC+NP. Even Jar Jar was better than them.

adam, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jango Fett is a fruit

Raspberry?

My theory about the way Lucas directs his actors is that if you're handy enough to handle minimal direction, you'll find your own spin on things to bring the character more to life (thus the various subtleties Liam Neeson brought to his part, say, or how Harrison Ford steps up in the original Star Wars so easily). I'm guessing Christensen needs more active direction than Lucas normally applies (ever since the first trailers I've had my doubts about the performance), so I'm coming in with that frame of mind.

Six hours to go! I've heard that neither a Two Towers nor new Star Trek trailer is attached to the copy at the theater I'm going to, which puzzles me greatly. Apparently I'll get the Matrix teaser, the new James Bond, Minority Report, couple of others.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

more active direction = several years of acting training or a swift kick in the ass, judging from the trailer i saw

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Both. :-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Did anybody else think that the action sequences seemed tailor made for video game translation?

Honda, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Did anybody else think that the action sequences seemed tailor made for video game translation?

No kidding. I read a review of Spiderman (or was it on ILE? I don't even know anymore) that commented on how Spiderman's action scenes were logical, like you could tell what was going on, and that most modern action movies are visual nonsense. I was thinking about that while watching AotC. George Lucas falls into a lot of MOR-action traps like video-game sequences (dodge the cutter blade, slice the droid, A A B up down repeat) but they have some context to them that makes them more pleasant to watch than, say, The One. Plus, Star Wars- related video games are fun more often than not--has anybody played Jedi Outcast yet? It looks really really badass.

adam, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, having seen it -- very very good indeed, in fact I think a serious rival for Empire near the top of the heap. Yes, it lacks the original film's beautiful self-contained simplicities, but it outdoes Jedi's flawed ending easily (the Luke/Vader/Palpatine sequence aside) and builds on the background details of Phantom Menace for greater impact. Like Empire, things go wrong here...but threaten to get much worse.

My biggest concern was Christensen, so I was keeping a very careful eye and ear on him throughout (whereas I knew Ewan would do a fine job straight up, and did). There are one or two sequences I would rewrite if I had the chance (I was seriously thinking the fireside romance side would have Anakin admitting all the overheated prose was his clumsy attempt at expressing himself, which would have a little more human), but you know, he did a pretty damn good job. Importantly, I think, scenes that in the various trailers seemed forced or halting actually made much more sense in the finished film, in terms of explaining his reactions. No, no Oscars, but no raspberries either...if anything, he helped make Darth Vader that much more of a human character in retrospect. Let's see if he can really shine in III with more experience under his belt.

The hints of the 'future' throughout were at times amusing, at times creepy and chilling. The obvious homage to Blade Runner throughout the Coruscant sequence worked well, the machinations of Palpatine perversely elegant up to the concluding moments. What happened to C3P0 in the final battle sequence was an amusing touch, and Yoda, well...it's clear what he can do now. :-) It ended on just the right note of hesistancy (and credit to John Williams, the main love theme sounds perfect as a balance of romance and mourning). I approve, I do. :-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

has any intentional 'joke' in a star wars film ever been funny ever?

ethan, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Let the Wookie win.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

isn't it the director's job to get people that he can direct, at least partly? i.e. blaming one of the actors' bad acting on his not being able to get with the director's thing seems a little odd (given the usual auteur approach that is).

Josh, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

THE ACTING IS IN THE STYLE OF THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS FILMS SO IT MAKES SENSE.

chaki, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hurrah he has maintained consistent levels of shite acting - wot an auteur!

Andrew L, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

N o, Star Wars is not supposed to be funny

What do you think of George Lucas's justification for crappo acting and dialogue? Kind of interesting, I thought.

N., Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fits in with the general tone of the movies, they *are* serials writ large. The article doesn't get into why that "No!" scene was really amusing, namely because initially it seems like he's having a wet dream (or else Padme's underneath the covers enjoying herself).

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

rah! booked tix for tomorrow. i LIKE the crap acting bits in star wars. mark hamill in ep iv is excruciating "But i was going to go to the tashi station etc" "i care" etc. and the crap dialog is just part of the magic. the exchanges between leia and tarkin, and vader and kenobi are full of clumsy clumsy lines, but they're just SUPER thank you very much. it reminds me of dr who dialog, of course. today's challenge: "i could play all day in my green cathedral"

Alan Trewartha, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

TRACER HAND TO THREAD

Josh, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

my chum just sent me details of the Star Wars Holiday Special that he saw last week (yes, the infammous and rarely seen holiday special for all you doubters).He described it thus "It is absolutely unbelievable. I mean literally unbelievable". Has anyone else seen it? I get a viewing when he comes down to London in June - I can't wait.

Jonnie, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Christmas Special is indeed awesome. I know it's available somewhere online because that's how I saw it, but you'd need a cable or dsl line to view it.

Nicole, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yay Christmas Special! I remember watching it during original broadcast when I was a wee one. Dear lord, is it tragically bad. The animation sequence and introduction of Boba Fett, however, roolz.

Two words: Wookie porn.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark Hamill should have kept wearing makeup though. He looked really fab and glam in the holiday special, like a bowie groupie in space.

Nicole, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.stomptokyo.com/sings/swholiday/images/luke1.jpg

Here's a good page for more info -- and plenty of screenshots!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

* blinks as if seeing the sun for the first time in years *

yes, ah. good acting = good, bad acting = bad. the first three eps are bearable (if they are) only because fisher and ford brought sparks of need and confusion and humor to bear. remember how psyched you were when you realized han solo was in the next scene? "campy acting" is fun sometimes i guess but there's no need to seek out star wars for this. there's plenty of it elsewhere. anyway, the article linked above is HUH-LARIOUS - he says "it's about telling a story, not about special effects." so don't go for the special effects, either.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw it the other day. How many cliches could the pack into one film? how much appalling acting? (well I guess that anikin guy really is Mark Hamill's spiritual heir) I liked Yoda, and um, I laughed a bit. Natalie Portman was not a draw card for me, I just wished a grand piano would drop on her most of the time, though I did have fun watching her tacky costumes.

Overall I found it more funny than painful so I am not going to whinge about spending money to see it. Besides it was hilarious watching the shortland st actors in there. Is there no escape?

Menelaus Darcy, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Let it be said that my friend ML, who adored the original movies and found TPM a grave disappointment, was thrilled with the new one and is already excited about the next (and last) one in three years' time. Rawk. :-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Awesome. Although I had my doubts, when I saw the trailer first. 1/ This Christansen guy looked like a terrible actor 2/ The CGI looked really cluttered and it was way too showy, too much stuff going on 3/ Ewen McGregor is still acting AS Alec McGuiness and this makes him sound like those newscasters in South Park who talk with a semi- British accent. But watching "AOTC" brought back to me what I dig about Star Wars in the first place. Cancel out no. 1, Christiansen isnt a bad actor, you really get the sense his arrogance will get the best of him and he isnt able to handle the burden of The Force cos he's a whiny, petulant shit. If anyones the weak link, it's Natalie Portman, she's a dullard, a blank page. Cancel no. 2 as well, despite the huge battle scene at the end (where Lucas lays it on a bit thick) theres plenty of jaw dropping moments like the clone factory. It's cool to join the dots and get to the nitty gritty of the story. But even besides that, theres some great set-pieces like the chase through the Blade Runner-ish city and when Bobba Fett's dad sets off depth charges as Anakin chases him through an asteroid belt. The fighting scenes are intense and visceral and you get the gist of what that little snot Yoda is capable of. Samuel L's Mace Windu has definitely established himself firmly in the pantheon of Star Wars badasses too. I loved it and cant wait for the next episode.

michael bourke, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gonna see it tomorrow! hooray! I shall report then!

jel --, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

just saw it. yoda saved that movie's ass. some of that acting was beyond horrible. the entire audience laughed nonstop through the "tender fireplace wuv scene" - i don't blame them; i was laughing as well. hayden christensen suXor!! but the screenplay is also to be blamed - some of the cheeseball lines that anakin had to deliver sounded like failed pickup lines george lucas might have used when he was in college. in terms of recent overly hyped movies, spiderman was much better: if you have a choice or only want to spend to see one of the two, go check out spider-man instead, sez i.

taking sides: spider-man vs attack of the clones

alternate question: if we switched the lead roles of the two movies (tobey maguire/kirsten dunst for star wars, hayden christensen/natalie portman for spider-man) would they have been better or worse?

anyway: go yoda!! i hope he wins the oscar one of these days - in the future only computer-generated puppets will win academy awards.

geeta, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

so just like the past then?

mark "the s stands for satire" s, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought it was great!

Fave bits/thoughts:

i) The advertising, clubs and diner. I was pleased to see this attention to detail, as I have often wondered about the things other than the war and politics.
ii) The C-3PO/ battle droid.
iii) Yoda!
iv) Anakin being well on his way to the darkside
v) Dying in unfortunate ways runs in the Fett family. Mace Windu better watch his back in episode 3.
vi) Ewan was quite good!
vii) Natalie Portman, cool outfits! The kids in the cinema were getting bored at all the love stuff.
viii) The Jedi ain't really that good at seeing the future or sensing the darkside.

Can't wait to see it again!

jel --, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh and Darth Tyranus/Count Dooku has a hella cool light-sabre.

jel --, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hella lotta fun. Mechanical as hell, of course, and so saturated with CGI that it now looks almost totally animated with a few 'real' people walking in front of the cartoon backdrops. Like it was 'Mary Poppins 2450' or some damn thing.
And Courausant (sp?) I wish they would make up their minds how they want it to look. High up it looks all 'Metropolis', lines of pod-car traffic beading their way past immense spires; furthur on down it's a bit 'Fifth Element', impossible amount of cartoony criss-crossing traffic and on the ground it's like a more stagey version of 'Blade Runner', though I think it looks closer to the Martian streets in 'Total Recall' or even 'A.I'.
'Clones' actually makes 'Menace' now look even worse; suffocatingly unexciting and slow. The script and acting was also marginally better than Episode 1 - though it's only on a par with the original trilogy, so at least it's consistant. I think some people forget how clanging the acting was in Star Wars. Carrie Fisher completely unable to get a grip on her charecter. One minute she's all clipped tones and priggish, "Lord Vader, only you could be so boauld", a few scenes later she's gone all Brooklyn broad, shouting "INTO THE GARBAGE SHUTE, FLYBOYYY!"

'Attack of the Clones' is a cinematic turd. A quick inspection of it and you can tell what films Lucas has been studying for inspiration. Gladiator, Titanic(witness Lucas and pals discussing the boat movie's success in awed tones on the Episode 1 documentary 'The Beginning'), and was the (pretty rubbish) droid factory sequence really inspired by 'Chicken Run'? Looked like it.

Still, bloody great fun. Ace battles and space ships and lots of really great noises.
Christopher Lee as Count Dracula, sorry Count Duckula, sorry Count Dooku was cool. Tone darker. Yoda... was it David Fincher who said that the series was having to be carried by a muppet? Well, Yopda's no muppet now. I still can't figure out just how they made that scene work. Ewan's hair an improvement (that bit where he was hanging onto the little flying droid though was just daft). Father and son Fett were (properly) wicked. Fat cafe owner creature was brilliant, one of the truly great CG aliens that have a real presence and life, like Watoo and, now, Yoda. Oh, and Portman's spray-on outfits as well. I liked.

DavidM, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i really enjoyed attack of the clones, but i am not sure it is because my expectations were fatalistically low or because it was great. i really despised phantom menace more each time i saw it but this one wasn't terrible, i found myself only smirking a few times mostly near the beginning when hayden the canadian tried to act tortured but i'd say the last 2/3rds are mostly excellent. maybe hayden will play one of the ents in 'the two towers'? he certainly was wooden enough, christopher lee playing saruman with a light sabre yay. the yoda scene was fantastic.

keith, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Like it was 'Mary Poppins 2450'

i am PSYCHED!!

geeta, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I found the lovey dovey stuff a bit hackneyed, but not completely awful.

but I don't know, I mean I REALLY liked The Phantom Menace but in some non specific way this one hasn't done it for me in the same way.

DV, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Removing Jar Jar from most of the movie improved things by about 800000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% , as far as I can tell.

Dan Perry, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Watching your enemies carbon-freeze your best friend and sell him to ruthless criminals, then whining about it to your twin sister as the bloody stump that was your right hand throbs painfully: Classic or Dud?

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Luke doesn't see the freezing part, silly boy. He just sees Han floating by at a distance and probably doesn't even know what the damn thing is. "Why are there four people floating along a coffee table without legs and a carving in it? Mine is not to question why...hey, that guy's shooting at me!"

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But Ned I saw it, and I was Luke, so Luke saw it!

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mystic.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I loved the crap costumes and the love story was ho-larious. When they are escaping to Naboo as refugees, perhaps they might be a little less conspicuous if she were not wearing a GIANT TIARA on her head.

Other indications that Padme is a bit backwards in the fashion department (or else just passive aggressive) are that she runs around her hippie planet in backless, low-cut chiffon dresses and black leather bustiers even as she's telling Anakin to back off. She seems to get a bit of a makeover on Tatuoine, but still has not apparently heard of a bra.

The love scenes were so ridiculous they were entertaining. After Anakin confesses that he's just genocided an entire tribe, Padme's just like, whatever, poor Anakin had a hard day.

Too, I liked the public transportation and neon advertising on the Planet of Traffic. Yoda was obv. great. Kenobi is dead cool: "You do not want to sell me death sticks."
"I do not want to sell you death sticks."
"You want to go home and re-think your life."
"I want to go home and re-think my life."

felicity, Thursday, 23 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw Ep 1 on opening day, and I waited a week for this? I liked Episode 1 in an underdog-ish kind of way, but this really was a terrific movie. Hayden Christensen's hideous acting was my only problem; even Lucas' dopey humor served as flavor (as it should be) and was kept in the background. Many, many positives including complicated but very sensical (to me) storyline, fantastic FX and music, the strongest attention to detail and subtlety in a Star Wars movie yet, clever allusions to the other films, and finally! a glimpse of why Yoda is the head of the Jedi. I'd see it again in a heartbeat (and I may since many of my friends enjoyed it).

Vinnie, Thursday, 23 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And another thing...

At the Lars', when r2 plays back the message from Kenobi, I really wanted dialogue to follow like anakin saying "Who is he, he's gorgeous". message, what message? etc i think the trigger was 3p0's "He says he has a message from one Obi Wan Kenobi" or something equivalent and I fell about.

Alan T, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw The Emperor near Angel tube station yesterday.

Jonnie, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

is he still co-running the Almeida? (just up the street from Angel tube)

Alan T, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I still don't know about this. It was entertaining enough, but it lacked a certain something. I wasn't really expecting a lot to begin with so I wasn't disappointed.

Nicole, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i meant the FULLY-OPERATIONAL Almeida.

Alan T, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

JAR JAR MUST STAY!!

binks = punk, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

mark s = Nigel A (FT) and I claim my €5.

Jeff W, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

someone said that the last fifth made up for all that went before it, maybe, but only just, it was like watching an episode of the Sullivans or soimething, bloody hell, b-movie acting or what????

chris, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I finally got to see AotC at the certain DC theater in which I wanted to see it.

I agree with whoever it was who said that this film cribbed heavily from Gladiator--not just the sequence in the arena, but the spectacle of Anakin ranting about Obi-Wan supposedly holding him back reminded me of the previous film's portrayal of Commodus as a whiny Gen-X stereotype. And the Jedi fight scenes were Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with light sabers.

(I suppose Joseph Campbell and other Star Wars mystics have already noted the Oedipus motif in Luke eventually having to battle his father?)

There's supposedly a bootleg edit of The Phantom Menace that heavily cuts out Jar Jar and otherwise tightens up that film. I'd like to see an edit of AotC that reduces to a minimum the relationship scenes between Padme and Anakin. Okay, their love is forbidden by Jedi code and their offspring are presumably foreordained as part of the "bring balance to the Force" prophesy. But I think those sequences would have been improved if Britney Spears and a random boy band member had been playing the roles. Is there any chance that the direction of the third film could be taken out of Lucas' hands, on the grounds that an influential cultural legacy is at risk?

I'm not that zealous a Star Wars fan, but I expect to see the third film when it comes out. However, if TPM and AotC is what Lucas can do with millions of dollars, state-of-the-art special effects, and presumably any writers and actors he wants, it's probably for the best if he doesn't make episodes 7-9.

j.lu, Monday, 3 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is there any chance that the direction of the third film could be taken out of Lucas' hands, on the grounds that an influential cultural legacy is at risk?

A mock petition has been circulating for some time that urges him to hand the reins over to Peter Jackson. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and you know what? Padme is gonna survive episode 3!

jel --, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Finally did see it. I have hard time coming to grips with it, or rather a sort of elusive problem in the film. I thought the acting was okay, Christensen is actually pretty convincing as a spoiled brat although a bit too heavy on the "Obi Wan is disrespecting me" side. Probably the movie is filled with too many tacked-on explanations in re. Anakin's future downfall. The weakest point for me is the death of his mother, which felt just forced and rushed. Although a friend said his subsequent killing of the Tusken Raiders was the turning point in the relationship, I paraphrase: "after he told her, she obviously wanted to fuck him". Oh boy.

-1-

Omar, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Otherwise a lot of enjoyable and even beautiful moments: Boba picking up his father's helmet, the wicked sound of those depth charges, Corcusant in general. Though I wasn't too crazy about Yoda in ass- kicking mode, always liked to think he was above that sort of thing. Also like the suggestion of Yoda being a little nihilist who can't be bothered about changing things, this would indeed explain the Jedi's disturbing blindness in re. dark forces.

Hey, France - Uruguay is starting.

-2-

Omar, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Now can I complain about Lucas being heniously stereotypical in his portrayal of librarians? It's the last acceptable prejuidice, people. ;-)

Nicole, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, I should have guessed! But you see, I like the idea that Jedi librarians determine the arrangement of the universe. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, it's another little old lady with a bun in her hair who thinks she knows everything and couldn't possibly wrong, and is seriously unhelpful with Obi-Wan. The only thing Lucas left out was her shhh-ing him. That has been the cliche for at least 100 years in film and television, so I'm not exactly surprised that Lucas isn't any different.

Nicole, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Of course my complaint is very silly as I mentioned in the other AOTC thread, but it's still annoying.

Nicole, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, it's another little old lady with a bun in her hair who thinks she knows everything and couldn't possibly wrong[...]

Nicole, stop describing Ned.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That's why I was so hesitant to bring it up before Dan -- we know how sensitive Ned is.

Nicole, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just give him a cup of warm milk; he'll be fine.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This is the kind of ridiculous abuse from people who I count as my 'friends' that leads me to conclude I must become an antisocial superhero who lurks in darkness. From now on call me Mange.

This past week I have told countless people to put away their drink, turn off their damn cell phones, to try and put things away correctly and in general stop acting like STUPID GODDAMN FUCKUPS when it comes to studying for finals. Right now I'm on the side of the stereotypes, woo-hoo! ;-)

But Nicole does have a point. She is, after all, friendly, helpful and cool, and not a stereotype. :-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
good lord this was the worst movie I've seen in a long time.

I kept wanting to heckle the screen but the theater we were in was deathly quiet and almost empty. the only time the audience really seemed to react was once c3po showed up, and the people I was with admitted that his jokes seemed more corny and forced than normal.

I'm not opposed to the whole serialistic space opera writ large project, but he's just doing it really fucking badly. his writing for characters in the high end of society is an enormous weakness - senators, jedi, royalty, etc., and they did most of the talking in this one.

Josh, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To be honest, I'm sorta surprised you saw it, Josh! Didn't strike me as being an interest of yours at all.

Caught it again last week on the local digital theater, to see if the image quality is all it's meant to be (and indeed, it is). Also had fun catching some of the small touches and mistakes people had mentioned -- Jango Fett's helmet being dented a bit when he runs into his ship, the Coke can by Christensen's feet at the end of the lakeside/balcony sequence, Liam Neeson's voice after Anakin starts killing the sandpeople.

That said, where I was absolutely impassioned enough to see Fellowship something like seven times during its theatrical run, I'll probably only see it once more in theaters with a friend who has been waiting to catch it herself.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'only see it once more' -- 'it' being AOTC of course. Darn pronouns!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it was a staying-informed thing, ned. I would've waited to see it on video but I thought the big screen and sound etc were important. (this is why I'll see lotr eventually too, only I probably screwed up in not catching that in the theater)

Josh, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it was a staying-informed thing, ned

Hmm...I dunno, that's the kind of thing that seems a lot easier to do with music, say (quick download, three minutes listening, can do at home). But I admire yer dedication. :-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked it. It made me think.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it was OK. but anakin has zoomed effortlessly into my punchable list at no. 2, just after the king of punchable himself, spidey!

katie, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Spidey is about as punchable as a cute kitten! Anyway, the most punchable person in that movie was his roommate.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan speaks the truth! Spidey's room mate could have been Anakin's long lost brother.

jel --, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, Anakin was horrid. But like Perry I like Spidey - very endearing.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

like the pinefox, it made me think, ned. partly because it showed so much potential. unfortunately that made it come off as much worse than most badly done movies. but it did get a special pass because it's star wars. I don't make myself go out to see the pokemon movie, even though I should. ;)

Josh, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just the one Pokemon movie, Josh? ;-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

mark s sez not 3 yes? so maybe 2.

Josh, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
If you watch four years after release at home on a Saturday morning, not remotely excremental. Even the Frankie & Annette in Space romantic scenes take on an Ed Wood-with-a-budget fascination.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

Okay I think the world is ending because I am AGREEING with Morbius about the artistic worth of a movie. Or at least more agreeing than violently disagreeing.

Dan (Wow) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

its better than Matrix: Revolutions

latebloomer aka rembrandt, the fifth ninja turtle (latebloomer), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure about artistic worth, but the arena battle near the end -- at least half of it -- is, like, Super Harryhausen.

Putting slangy dialogue in McGregor's mouth when he's doing a Guinness impression, tho, aiiiiieeeeeee! Esp when he stops in at Mel's Diner.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

Heh, I was using "artistic worth" as imprecise shorthand for "positive qualities".

Dan (King Handwave) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

that diner scene, omg

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

does anyone else in Canada "talk" like Hayden C?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

I do prefer Hayden with that weird rat's-tail than Hayden with the Leif Garret frightperm.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

we all talk like that

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

sixteen years pass...

Count Dookie shoulda done better

Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 18:05 (three years ago)


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