a "list aspects of formerly working-class 'new money' culture" thread would be interesting, but would cause much butthurt too.

so i said on the "white working-class english culture" thread. what the hell, this board can't all be SWPL/alice waters talk.

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trophy wives/sugar daddy husbands

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extension three times the size of original house

buildings featuring what real-estate gossip sites call "asshats":

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A gay son.

saying stuff like "don't you know who i am??" when you don't get your way

massive Villa in Spain and complaining about contact with autochthonous people, culture, or cuisine of Spain while staying at said Villa.

most extreme case of this is the retiring in the sun but then returning after six months because you miss blackpudding and the pub.

every reference to something you own followed by reference to how much it cost

making good money but still bitching and moaning about "the IRS" wanting to take it all away from you

Moving abroad.

making good money but still bitching and moaning about "the IRS" wanting to take it all away from you

― forecast from stonehenge (get bent), Sunday, 1 February 2009 23:31

this is all rich people, anyway, right? whether they started out poor or not.

i would like some of this new money

careful it hasn't dried yet...

my grandmother has a list of all the word choices that distinguish new/old money--"gift" vs "present," "sofa" vs "couch"

i want to hear more of max's grandmother's list!

this is all rich people, anyway, right? whether they started out poor or not.

over the past decade it has become increasingly hard to tell who actually HAS that nouveau riche money and who's just broke and livin' large on credit cards and subprime loans...

unemplolment

gaudy clothing, giant cars, ugly houses, absolutely no matters, and generally just tasteless and brassy. thumbs down.

(american version for you foreigners)

Tmy grandmother has a list of all the word choices that distinguish new/old money--"gift" vs "present," "sofa" vs "couch"

― max

There's a word for such words: they are 'shibboleths'.

gaudy clothing, giant cars, ugly houses, absolutely no matters, and generally just tasteless and brassy. thumbs down.

this pretty much covers most of north jersey.

What this makes me think of is MTV's cribs where R&B stars have a room for a big leather sofa, and a room for the china cabinet your grandma bought at JC Penney's.

This thread just makes me think of "The House Of The Rising Television" at the other end of my brother's ridge in Tiburon.

Max' grandmother is Nancy Mitford.

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haha looking up nancy mitford i find that my grandmother seems to have lifted the list from her:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_and_non-U_English

(it should be noted that many of nance's peers and friends were baffled by the list btw, but it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy imo.)

(it should be noted that many of nance's peers and friends were baffled by the list btw, but it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy imo.)

so it was sort of like when the NYT compiled their list of "grunge-speak" in the early 90s?!?

some of those don't even mean the same thing

Plus "ice" for "ice cream" is surely an American affectation?

we have a white working-class english culture thread??

(it should be noted that many of nance's peers and friends were baffled by the list btw, but it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy imo.)

this makes sense to me, the grandmother who tells me about the list is not 100% pure wasp and is insecure abt it--so of course shed be the only one who would actually care

contra carmody, the brit poshos weren't *that* yankophobic. if you look at the list, the proper ('u') word is often the less 'pretentious' one, ie napkin is better than serviette, or the less euphemistic one, ie rich is better than wealthy.

all the same calling it an 'ice' is some bs.

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we have a white working-class english culture thread??

― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Monday, February 2, 2009 9:26 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

List aspects of white working class English culture

max does your gran make a distnction between "sideboard" and "credenza"

Along the lines of Riedel (the high-end crystal that is supposed bring out the proper flavor and bouquet in each varietal of wine w/different shapes for each), the housing-boom-era new money seemed to have this penchant for imagining that there was some "ultimate luxury experience" to be had in every area of life.

Also wine pairings with fucking everything.

*grits dentures*

louis vuitton

anything that would've been in tony and carmela soprano's house

stainless steel kitchen appliances, or if you really wanted to outdo your neighbor, brushed copper

Obviously any architectural feature of a McMansion ("cathedral ceilings," pointlessly large foyers, etc.)

spare bedroom

My wife and I got tons of Riedel glasses for our wedding from her artist father's "society" friends. Does that mean we have "new money" and aren't really living paycheck to paycheck? Awesome.

aren't really living paycheck to paycheck

woah, this practically guarantees you as new money, man.

x-post -- Depends, are you drinking Veuve Cliquot out of them or Two Buck Chuck?

Definitely closer to the latter, although wine is the one thing we will splurge up to $8/bottle on!

Redknapp - I was attempting to say that we ARE living paycheck-to-paycheck.

which is a very new money thing to be doing right now, was the drift.

I gotcha. Insert slow Monday-morning reaction time excuse here.

i think new money these days is living more like credit-card limit to credit-card limit.

and as a corollary, so many credit lines from so many banks and stores that you can't actually tell how many credit lines you have is definitely a feature.

"Ice" for ice cream is pure Enid Blyton.

From what I can remember older signs on the outside of cafes and ice cream vans in Britain always used to say 'ices' (not 'ice creams'). But I don't recall asking for an ice as a child, only an ice cream.

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In the early afternoon, not long after their marriage, man and wife are recovering from an evening's pleasures. She is having tea after an all-night card and music party; he sprawls exhausted from a night of dissipation as his dog sniffs another woman's handkerchief drooping from his pocket. Walking away in horror is the newlywed's steward, who clutches a fistful of bills and only one receipt. Hogarth takes an opportunity here to poke fun at the couple's sterile taste in art, typical of their time. He notes their awe of Continental painting and antique statuary, emphasising the cracked nose of the bust on the mantle.

Phenomenon recorded at 1745 ~rise of the middle class.

there's nothing worse than new money--they have the ability to spread their bad taste around. at least the working class are proud in their squalor.

ladies and gentlemen!

^^^ not new money

i prefer newmoney, it's crisp and clean. one never knows where old money's been.

Money green. Money FEEL like money.

Don't know what that has to do with anything, I just like quoting that.