submarine movies!

ive actually only seen the last six but i included others so the film nerds wouldnt get all up in arms

i think "ice station zebra" is one of the all-time greatest titles

I haven't seen any but Das Boot and The Hunt for Red October. Not a genre that does much for me.

also, Yellow Submarine and Hello Down There

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yeah, sorry, corny science fiction movies dont count, this is a poll for movies about real men doing manly things packed tight inside a metal tube

'above us the waves' yo

ok, Hello Down There is mostly an underwater-house movie, but at least has real men represented by Tony Randall and young Richard Dreyfuss

'we dive at dawn'

"The Enemy Below" is pretty good, and contains a lot of the tropes that show up in the later movies, esp. the non-political German U-boat crews of "Das Boot," and the cat-and-mouse trickery of "Red October."

Voted for "Red October" just because Alec Baldwin was a better Jack Ryan than Ford or lol Affleck.

also missing: The Abyss

"corny science fiction" max movie

you forgot down periscope lol

This is a genre that fascinates me, I think, in part, because I have a dread of both drowning and being confined in a small space (and maybe dying, trapped there). A number of these films have a scene where crewmen up on deck have to make a swift return into the submarine because of a sudden need to submerge, and one man always gets trapped and drowns because they have to close the hatch before he has time to get through. That, and scenes where submarines are blown apart by depth charges dropped by surface ships play to those fears (which I suppose a lot of people must have).

My vote is for 'Das Boot', although I remember enjoying 'Run Silent, Run Deep' as well.

ditto, probably my favourite sub-genre.

there's another film that deals with the sinking of the tirpitz (same as 'above us the waves') - submarine x-1, which is worth catching on ch4 matinees.

also search "morning departure" which is everything dubmill hates (mills and attenborough too)

"Gray Lady Down" with Charlton Heston ("stow that crap, sailor!") and David "Kung Fu" Carradine

As my dad's career was in submarines you can guess these hold a certain place in the family's heart. My dad was chief of staff to the admiral at Point Loma's sub base where the filming of Red October was done in part (not at the base but offshore), so that one's a favorite -- my dad and his buddies were pleased that the film did a reasonably good job at getting a sub's absolutely compact internal architecture across, though more so with the Russian subs than the American ones. Also Scott Glenn and Courtney Vance's characters on the American sub were absolutely spot on portrayals of American sub sailors in my experience, something about the combination of intense professionalism and easygoing humor, though Glenn was of course far more wound up -- my dad says Glenn shadowed one of the sub captains on the base for a bit during filming to get a sense of how he carried himself and it comes across; thing is that Glenn's work also reminds me of my dad a bit too! I think it's more a general comment on how Navy sub captains are in general, there's a certain consistency even in personality, which is a holdover from the Rickover years I suspect.

That all said, the absolute family favorite for now and ever -- Das Boot. I remember my dad already had the novel that it was based on and his copy was pretty well worn so he must have been reading that thing fairly regularly or else sharing it out with folks. When that got the American theatrical release I don't think any submariner talked about anything else for months, and when my parents got their first DVD player my dad's first purchase was the full miniseries edition.

still haven't seen Das Boot

A number of these films have a scene where crewmen up on deck have to make a swift return into the submarine because of a sudden need to submerge, and one man always gets trapped and drowns because they have to close the hatch before he has time to get through.

^^^ yeah this. Also: *ping*

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"If your intention is to defect..."

KRAZY IVAN!!!

20,000 Leagues Under the Sea

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Aargh! How could you forget the undeniably awesome Sphere?

Das Boot fwiw.

wrath of khan is one of the all time great naval warfare movies no lie

imo~

there is a great ww2 sub movie called 'below' that was directed by david twohy and is really spooky and well done, but it's probably a little too lol unrealistic

cankles and and what OTM

wrath of khan is one of the all time great naval warfare movies no lie

No question. Nick Meyer goes on in the commentary for the DVD about how he really wanted to emphasize that aspect and I think it did the whole set up of the Star Trek universe a world of good.

Das Boot is going to win by far, but there's a spectacular number of movies missing from the list.

Where are... Destination Tokyo, Crash Drive, Torpedo Alley, Hell And High Water (a Richard Widmark movie that actually takes place above a submarine instead of The Bedford Incident where the submarine is off camera).

For that matter, you could included The Spy Who Loved Me.

Also, the cable movie about the Hunley (think it starred Donald Sutherland) should be included. It was pretty good!

Anyway, this site to thread: http://submarinemovies.com/

ET, max is one of these Millennials who gets the bends if there are too many b&w movies

oh go away all of you

i was just going to do everything btw. das boot & widowmaker but i wanted to include ice station zebra

Okay the fact that there is actually a submarinemovies.com makes me happy. There really is a place for everything on the Net.

ooh, i forgot abt the 49th parallel... not really a sub movie imo since most of it is just niggas strollin thru canada

what about that one fraisier movie

w/o the xtra i

I'm sure I've mentioned this elsewhere, but my dad was in the merchant marines during WWII - working the North Atlantic circuit (NYC, Southhampton, Azores, Havana, Florida) from 1939-1941 smack in the middle of the Battle Of The Atlantic. He was torpedoed twice: the first time he and the rest of the crew were picked up by a nearby convoy member, but the second time he was stuck in a lifeboat for ten days before a coast guard PBY picked them up.

After that, he had enough of the Atlantic and moved out west in 1942. He had a couple days leave before his first SF-Honolulu run - so he and a friend of his picked up a couple of girls and took off to Yosemite for the weekend. They were late getting back (he hinted that they had a heck of a weekend) to SF and missed the departure, but as it turned out the freighter was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine and sank with all hands. He came back to Ithaca after that, and that's where he met my mom.

Not surprisingly , we probably saw Das Boot in the theater at least four or five times.

U-571 should be disqualified under the "corny science fiction" rule for the sheer number of historical errors, anachronisms, and goofs.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0141926/goofs

Also it's just a crap movie.

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obvious result really.

would've liked to have seen anything even vaguely black and white get a single vote though.

i started watching Crimson Tide last night for the first time in ~15 years, it's so much fun. young steve zahn, young viggo mortenson, not that young james gandolfini, people yelling at each other on a submarine, what more can you ask for?

all the foreshadowing is heavy as a bag of hammers but it only me makes me excited for the part where people start yelling at each other on a submarine.

Following up on my post upthread... I've been sorting through things at my mom's house and a couple weeks ago ran across a stack of papers relating to my dad's time in the Merchant Marine during World War 2. Turns out I had the order of events completely screwed up (my dad passed away 25 years ago), but with so much documentation now available on the net, I put his name into a Google alert. Last week it paid off and I found a detailed letter he wrote to one of the crew members who went down with the ship:
http://www.quartzcity.net/2014/06/23/my-dad-and-the-sinking-of-the-s-s-illinois/

wow

double wow. thanks for sharing that, elvis.

ARRGH... "to the parents of one of the crew members"

Competing docs, just like Fyre Festival (vv appropriate)

some vital context I forgot to add is that the woman in the video who commented on that boom noise was Wendy Rush. She was responsible for all comms between the sub and mothership and also running roughshod over any minions who had the audacity to question how haphazard and unsafe their operation was.

"what was that bang?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unexplained_sounds

brb just going to add the Kasabian discography to that Wiki page

We shall all submit to The Hum

Watched that doc on bbc2. It explained that because the speed of the acoustic modem Titan used for comms was so slow, and a former contractor had previously complained to Wendy that it was a garbage unreliable not fit for purpose system only to be told by her that she lacked "explorer spirit". In that clip Wendy hears the subsonic boom of her husband getting mushed and then a few seconds later after the sub is no more, the last "dropped 2 weights" message is received, reassuring her that the innocuous noise was nothing to worry about. kind of a poetic justice moment for the arrogant old money parasite really, lol.

oh! i forgot to watch this (instead i was watching THE FLY, 1986 -- which seems appropriate somehow, seth brundle has "explorer spirit")

there isn't much new in it really, I think that standout clip is pretty much the only bit that backs up the claims at the start of the program of "unprecedented access to the coastguard inquiry".

What strikes me about the whole thing is that there had been generations of research and trial-and-error in the realm of deep sea exploration which accumulated wisdom like “your craft has to be be spherical in order to evenly distribute the pressure” and “carbon fiber is no good for this sort of thing because it degrades over time and can catastrophically fail” and Stockton Rush in his quest to prove them all wrong of course proved the accumulated wisdom and best practices right.

I’m starting to think about a certain Mars colony fetishist who owns a rocket company who is also ignoring decades of research and best practices and wisdom and I’m hoping he takes paid passengers soon.

that test dive in the Caribbean with the loud gunshot noises emanating from the hull. The one which passenger Karl Stanley described as was likely an incident within a few very small percentage points of an actual deep sea implosion. That was the moment where any sane person would have given up on such a ridiculous idea. Or at least it would have frightened them off from ever getting into that lemon ever again.

instead he was like "that's just the sound of the wrinkles being smoothed out!"

(ok this is a joke but i think it's based on something he actually said about the noises)

i mean to be fair the wrinkles *were* smoothed out (along with everything else)

there was an amusing clip of Rush reassuring a potential mission specialist that all submersibles make loud noises in deep sea, it's just industry standard shit, honest m8

another of his dubious excuses was that it wasn't the hull making the noise, it was the frame shifting

"it's just the building settling"

Pretty sure he thought it was just akin to the submersible cracking its knuckles.

I would love to hear him saying in that quick talking snake oil seller fashion of his, after the Titan had been struck by lightening in the Bahamas. That this was actually a good thing that would bake the carbon fiber into a much tougher composite hull than it previously had been.

Right, it's like that charred wood technique that makes the wood stronger and more fire-resistant.

i watched the netflix doc

mr rush does not come out of it well

shame he's not around to see it.

"big swinging dicks" kind of guy

undeveloped promo project: apparently there was a plan at one point to take PEARL JAM to see the titanic

take Kurt Cobain's corpse down there as well. why not. A shrinky dinky project. Like with the styrofoam coffee cups

the one thing the netflix doc got right was the eeriness of those popping noises

there's footage of a solo dive rush took (from c.2018) which is soundtracked by the "popping sound" (aka the "seasoning") and omg

he looks extremely rattled tbf, how did he teach himself to become *less* worried?

that was an earlier hull, which shortly after developed a major crack -- they replaced it but only ever partially tested the new one

one of his many engineering guys who quit said "“there were scientific principles he wholly didn’t understand" -- i mean yes but i dont think they were the more abstruse principles

they never explained the banging noises still being heard several days after tho, eventually we'll be told it was an iceberg calving in disko bay or some such

they kind of got out scooped by the other doc, having that moment where Wendy Rush says "what was that bang" while her husband discovered real physics. Classic moment. But also the popping noise will live in my dreams (and nightmares) forevermore

nargeolet's daughter saying that oceangate have never contacted hs family even to inform them let alone send like condolences

He (Mr Titanic) probably knew he was going to die or at least he knew the odds, probably even knew he was being cynically used to add some legitimacy to an inexcusably bad project. As I get older and closer the end - I find this more relatable rather than ...

the one thing the netflix doc got right was the eeriness of those popping noises

Yeah, for sure. That and the concluding distant sound of the implosion, which honestly feels creepier than the clip on the base boat.

It's odd. If this was a fictional story Stockton Rush would never have set foot inside the submarine - instead he would have tried to sell the design to other people, in a Robocop-style "who cares if it works or not" way. If he had just stopped after the first couple of dozen dives he would probably now be remembered as a pioneering engineering hero on a par with e.g. Dean Kamen, who also left behind a trail of failed products but crucially didn't kill anybody or himself.

He's like a child's drawing of Steve Fossett, who was another non-engineer who turned his attention to setting records (aviation in his case), with the crucial differences that Fossett paid good engineers to design things for him, he listened to their advice, and he was eventually killed by an unexpected meteorological phenomenon and not incompetence.

God, the audio graphs of dives 80, 81 and 82. did anyone ever look at them before big crunch? Even more remarkable considering the PR treatment of the real-time monitoring that was shown earlier. "We ask why other sub companies don't do this" - er because their subs don't continually break on every dive.

it was a terrible safety system, like the idea that if the rtm alerts passengers that the carbon fibre is snapping and delaminating in multiple places then we'll drop weights and safely resurface, lol. This completely ignores the unpredictability of the material. But the data did show how close the deteriorating Titan hull was to total failure tbf, which might have been useful if there was anyone left at the company who would have dared raise the alarm.

Ironically they did have a quite a rigorous "three strikes" rule on the operational safety side of things though!

Stockton is very much a piece of shit based on this doc

sorry

was

Oh I can imagine his dumb ass in the afterworld giving Charon shit

the guy that quipped that he didn't fight Stockton who talked about how he said he liked ruining lives missed the opportunity to say "well at least I'm STILL ALIVE"

are there any major pockets of Stockton-defenders out there now? Usually I'm used to seeing rich-people apologists come out with "he got to see the Titanic and tried more risky shit than your pathetic poor ass has ever done in your life" but the type of people I know that would say crap like that are calling him a moron, in my circle

If there are any, they're pretty fucking quiet, or they're saying stuff like this:

Karl Stanley, a submersible expert and longtime friend of Stockton, made the allegation in a new book called Submersed: Wonder, Obsession and Murder in the World of Amateur Submarines.

“Rush’s ego was so big, he was willing to die and kill to be pivotal to the character of this story. He wanted to go (die) at the wreck [of the Titanic],” he told author Matthew Gavin Frank.

“The more high-profile, the better. He didn’t just murder four wealthy people and get paid a cool mill to do it — they are all part of the Titanic mythology now,” he continued in the book.

threatening to go after a dude's green card because they tried to save his team's lives should be his actual legacy

lol at Youtuber crying about how it could have been him and then finally saying "it's not about me y'know I do care about the other people who actually did die"

(I don't but ymmv)

Yeah he was a piece of work.

Ironically they did have a quite a rigorous "three strikes" rule on the operational safety side of things though!

That's a foul tip

I honestly regularly forget that this happened anywhere near the Titanic. Just that some zealous dickhead got a handful of customers imploded in a carbon fiber death tube

the 8-part netflix doc ARA SAN JUAN: THE SUBMARINE THAT DISAPPEARED, about an event in 2017 that shook argentina

explores accusations of inadequate naval training including inept senior officer judgement, poor craft maintenance and refurb against a background of corruption, a complaisant judiciary unprepared to challenge the powers that be, a feckless goverment stacked with imperious indifference, deep state malfeasance and surveillance, a new goverment swept in to sweep all this away (and the failure to sweep much of it away), the possible involvement of PERFIDIOUS ALBION still waging war over the falklands, a doughty popular movement built round the angry mourning families of the lost -- and finally a flurry of sea-bed explorers hired to find the wreck, including a fellow called HUGO MARINO (in the end not hired) and an american submersible company called OCEAN INFINITY

if you enjoy stockton rush-looking mfs one primary villain is the extremely hateable then-defence-minister oscar aguad

if you already keep up with argentinan affairs i assume much of this is familiar but it turns out i dont (i did not for example know that the presidential palace is called the PINK HOUSE) so i learned quite a lot

wow, sold on this. Fucking perfidious Albion still trying rub salt into the general belgrano wound. Still being the spiritually bald man who won the comb.

was just recently thinking about sinking of Gen Belgrano, because of course it pops up in new Adam Curtis show.

Yeah been meaning to watch this this week.

Titan Tragedy Spurs Sweeping Safety Overhaul: USCG Issues 17 Recommendations Following Fatal Implosion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay92B3iLYP4