Transsexuals: how do you feel?

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There was this man I'd heard of, friend of a friend stuff. Then I heard he was now a she. We've made friends recently. She tells me that everybody has changed towards her since this change - one or two have been good, but it's literally that few. Most have demonstrated at least considerable discomfort, and a lot have behaved with unmistakeable hatred. I'm not sure what the reasons are, but she thinks her appearance is part of it - it is not that difficult to spot that she is actually either a transvestite or transsexual. Does this matter? Do you know any transsexuals? Does it make you uncomfortable or not? Why?

Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Though the appearance can't be a factor with some people who were friends - a lot have changed just by email, without having seen her since she was a he. I don't know, it's all a bit of a mystery to me.

Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

my exflatmate is involved in filming a doco about a m2f, and it has raised some interesting questions.

Was it Germaine who pondered how trannies motivation is they want to be a "real woman" which intirgued her, as she had been a woman all her life and still h adn't figured out what it was that made one a woman?

I hum and har over it - on the one side, I'm all for radical deconsturciton adn blurring of genders, but when trannies cross over, it seems they are embracing traditional notions of gender and that causes problems for me.

But if they were my friend, fuck - friendship is far more important than the b its between your legs.

I may not dress like Jacki O, but I do fuck men, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've talked about exactly these points, and my friend has pointed out a distinction between people who are so keen on women that they want to become one and what she feels. For her, her body was never right. Her internal body map does not match her external, male body. There are things from when she was 5 years old that, in retrospect, fit with this. She was horrified when her voice deepened in adolescence. Her body language has been more female than male since childhood, and she always felt she was faking as a male. There are lots of other things she's told me that add up not to wanting to be a woman, but to knowing that, inside, she is a woman. Germaine Greer's points are easy to understand, but my friend points out that not being able to identify what makes GG feel female (or me feel male) is natural if you've never been conflicted about any of it.

Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

When I read the subject, I thought it meant: "So, all you transsexuals out there, what's life like today then?"

Sweeping generalisation time: most transsexuals aren't so much interested in blurring gender boundaries. What they want is to become as completely female (or male, of course) as they can, because that's what matches the way they feel on the inside.

I think that looking convincing matters to transsexuals themselves because, as part of this, they don't want people to think of them as being some kind of in-between-gender. Maybe that's why your friend thinks people are being uncomfortable towards her. I'm not sure if it actually is.

When I was a teenager, I felt quite uncomfortable with transsexuals because I was desperately trying not to admit that I am one. After I stopped trying to hide it, that went away. Somehow, I doubt that that explains why most of the people who feel uncomfortable do, though.

Caitlin, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sure you're right, Caitlin. And further conversation has suggested that while her appearance may be an issue for casual meetings, and for the prospects of getting regular employment, she feels that most people who were friends or friendly acquaintances turned against her after her announcement of her transsexuality and name change, rather than after meeting her again after that - she's not met most of them again, because of this.

I am, of course, quite happy to extend a friendly greeting to everyone, but that's not how I'd do it, any more than "Black people: how's it going?" or "White women: what was your day like?".

Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, good points all round - my political/identity aspirations don't oftenm atch up with realities - and i certainly wouldn't ver want to proscribe to someone how they choose to perform their gender...fuck, trannies have it hard enough as it is, without queer boys like me telling them what they can or can't do.

As to the way she makes other people feel, often i think it's because trannies make us question our own relation to our gender, our own definitions of who/what we see ourselves at. It's a shmae this oftne translates into hatred/dislike.

Queen G of the Windy Mores, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am a reactionary on the subject of transsexuals, and would probably conclude think any of my friends who made the change were weird.

however, most of my friends are weird anyway.

DV, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

When I read the subject, I thought it meant: "So, all you transsexuals out there, what's life like today then?"

When I read it, I thought Martin was under the impression that transsexuality involved having one's hands cut off. My dog's got no nose. How does he smell? etc.

N., Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

blimey that was laboured n.

mark s, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

With our hands heh-heh.

, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Laboured, yes. That was kind of the point (taking thread title 'misunderstandings' to the limits of contrivance.) Is that a laboured explanation? Since when did labour become a bad thing, anyway?

N., Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Since when did labour become a bad thing, anyway?"

1997!

(pH34r my intense political satire)

DG, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i wish i was more liberal about this.

anthony, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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