I'll just wait outside, love

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I've just come up with what I think would be a very good photographic project. I was out shopping earlier in antitrendy East Ham, and there were four men clearly waiting outside women's clothes shops for their partners, looking uncomfortable and impatient. Why do they do this? Does anyone here do this? The photographs would be about masculinity and insecurity, I think. The only drawback to the plan is my lack of both photographic skill and a camera...

― Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

New yeah, that looks fine answers.

― Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude all you need is a camera...and maybe the ability to run fast :)...I think it's a grand idea.

― jel --, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I do that, more than enough i think. But should give incredible photos, especially when the girl get done and the guy is already bored and then she goes at another shop, thats the perfect moment

― Chupa-Cabras, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

do it! i would really like to photograph people but im way too chickenshit. these sound candid, how far away would you be, or describe how you see the shooting would happen

― Ron, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll be a bit mean here, and say that this idea just makes me think of a thousand bad commercials (esp. beer) that uncreatively (and irresponsibly) play on traditional gender cliches. Their pretense of speaking for all men serves only to reinforce the stereotypes that created those masculine insecurties in the first place. A better photographic project would be pictures of you taking pictures of them thinking that you're onto something that says a lot about them - if you see what I mean.

― Kim, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry Martin, I don't really mean to rain on your parade and shouldn't assume so much about your intentions. The phenomenon certainly does exist outside of what I said and documenting it properly could result in great amusement if nothing else.

― Kim, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Everyone I've ever dated has always come inside shops with me, including some guy that I went out with once and for some reason used it as an excuse to go shopping. They've even gone into stores like Yankee Candle and Victoria's Secret, extremely girly things like that. The only time my last boyfriend didn't go into a shop with me was when we were meeting up with my sister and we had another guy there, and the two of them decided to macho posture and impress each other (instead of trying to impress the TWO GIRLS THEY WERE WITH, which doesn't make sense). That's it, in the history of my life. And admittedly we were going into very flouncy girl clothing shops.

― Ally, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i hate waiting around for other people while they go shopping. so i never do it. and i never inflict that kind of thing on others. i mostly go shopping alone.

― di, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They've even gone into stores like Yankee Candle and Victoria's Secret, extremely girly things like that.

Problem being when they won't come OUT of victoria's secret.

― Maria, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The two things that will make me wait outside a women's clothes shop rather than inside.

1. Scented candles (or other scent-producing devices)

2. Dido.

― Tom, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom = OTM, there's nowt wrong with waiting inside the shop while whoever you're out with tries stuff on, nowt at all, in fact I've noticed that lots of shops in Lundun provide chairs just outside the changing rooms, presumably for gentlemen to reside whilst their loved ones are in the fitting room, how very thoughtful.

― chris, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Indeed, whilst helping a female friend shop for a ballgown the good people at one clothes shop provided all us blokes with very comfy chairs. The rest of them looked a bit fed up, but I couldn't help note that the area seemed to be full of attractive women trying on spectacular gowns. So I was quite happy.

― Matt, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i like the shops that have men creches. last one i dumped myself down in was showing Bridget Jones Diary on vid and I got to flip through awful magazines. classic

― Alan T, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just think of all the extra room for accessories if men & their chairs weren't lurking outside the changing rooms! Men in women's clothes shops = totally dud as they clutter up the place and are 100% guaranteed to be standing in the way and get very flustered when asked to move.

― Emma, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Why is Tom going shopping with Dido?

― N., Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What the hell is wrong with scented candles, MIZISTA TIZOM EZIWING?

― Brian MacDonald, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They smell nasty.

― Tom, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

More to the point which shops have scented candles in them? I don't think I have ever experienced this phenomena but then maybe I go into rough shops. Or maybe Tom is confusing the heady aroma of ladies' perfume for candles?

― Emma, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hooray that will be my first purchase from the HOUSE MARKET wot we were talking about yesterday then.

Incidentally Tom if you at home will you call abt the washing machine/roof/missing wall ect cos I forgot to bring the number to work with me doh.

― Sarah, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Missing WALL? How can you lose a WALL?

― Emma, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay not really a missing wall. And scented candles are in scented candle shops! And other hippy aromatherapy/BONG shops.

― Sarah, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I said "(or other scent-producing devices)" on realising they probably weren't candles. There's a place Isabel likes in Brighton which has some kind of scentedness and I can't stand it.

(Also they give me a nasty headache after about an hour but luckily the waiting time is never that long).

― Tom, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh sorry I'm at work.

― Tom, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There's no need to apologise.

― N., Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

do it! i would really like to photograph people but im way too chickenshit. these sound candid, how far away would you be, or describe how you see the shooting would happen

Note that I don't even have a camera: how far do you think I've planned this? They'd have to be unnoticed, so it would have to be from a distance - and I wouldn't fancy repeatedly explaining what I'm doing to pissed off blokes, either. This is undoubtedly one of my notions that will stay just that.

― Martin Skidmore, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

At my wife's favorite shop, there is a nice sofa, months-old copies of Focus, and a Boston Terrier who stares at me and drools on my leg until threatened by the shopkeeper. The fact that the clothes there are very nice and look good on my wife, and that my wife does not like to spend any money on clothing unless a friend or loved one is there to nod approvingly means I generally do go in.

― Colin Meeder, Tuesday, 21 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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