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as in the north london line, north woolwich-richmond. do you get this line ever?

gareth, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's a theoretically handy route from Richmond to Camden for me. I say theoretically because it hardly ever seems to run when I want it.

Dr. C, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I love this line. I spent the first 18 years of my life living just down the road from Acton Central station, the trains ran past the back of our house...going to richmond, Hampsted or Camden was always fun. And sometimes you could get a free journey!

jeltronic isotope, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to get it from Homerton to Highbury & Islington. It is the scuzziest line available in London. Late at night it is always full of fried chicken boxes, ripped up newspapers and the stench of Special Brew BO. People smoke joints on it quite a lot.

N., Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Rather Silverlink than Connex South Eastern

Anna, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Every day, to work. Kensington Olympia to Willesden Junction on the WLL and then NLL to Hampstead Heath/Gospel Oak. Trains are always rammed on the second half, but it's very handy for me. It would be even more so if there was a connection with the Central line at Shepherd's Bush between the WLL and the Central Line and the WLL trains ran more often than half-hourly.

RickyT, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Goblin surely even scuzzier than NLL? Still Silverlink, but w/shitty old diesel trains instead of the newer electric ones than the NLL uses.

RickyT, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't see electricity as a step forward.

N., Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"fried chicken boxes, ripped up newspapers and the stench of Special Brew BO"

This is making me so damn nostalgic!

jeltronic isotope, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

In an effort to make my life more interesting I have been taking a different route to the tube (yes I know it's pathetic) which takes me past Crouch Hill on the Goblin (I thought it was Gosling? Anyway maybe I should clear my earwax out) line and I still find it hard to believe that it is a fully functioning rail service with timetables, trains, passengers etc. as it looks so, well, amateurish & toytowny. I've been on it once and it was very shaky.

Emma, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to use it a lot as it ran close to Willesden green where I used to live, very handy for getting your bike down to Richmond Park. Also handy for getting back from Highbury and Islington after a night on the piss.

chris, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've used the silverlink to get to and from queens park and euston. It's not bloody silver.

Jonnie, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i use it quite a bit. when me n Carrie split and moved out of the flat last year, it was like we got on at Brondesbury Park (nearish old flat) and went in opposite directions: me to Gunnersbury and Carrie to Dalston Kingsland. = it is the train line of separation :-(

it's irregular, but only a little less than the bloody green line which goes from the same platform.

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The silverlink line passes through the Acton level crossing (I love that level crossing!!)

Andrew L, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hem-hem, are not Silverlink tranes the ones that go from Birmingham/Milton Keynes etc to London?

Sarah, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, as well as running the NLL, WLL, Goblin and a couple of other services to Bedford and St Albans.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

*sigh* the acton level crossing...at the end of Churchfield Road *sigh* I love that level crossing too.

jeltronic isotope, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Silverlink train lines are owned by a Mr. and Mrs. Knave of Ormskirk. The family business was set up in the late 19th century to transport bears from Southport to Ormskirk ( Capital of Bears ). On the 12th of November in 1938 a group of cunning thieves stole the family trains and went galavanting down south with them. Finally the truth is revealed. You can keep your bloody trains ya bastards.

-EXIT STAGE LEFT

Robin, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i have caught it a number of times from highbury&islington round to work at gunnersbury, if the tube was on strike. and sometimes on the way back. the special brew and dope thing is strong on it yes! and really early too, like on the way home from work it is like other lines at 10pm. some of the stations (eg canonbury) are really quite decrepit...

gareth, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Usually Stratford to Highbury - those trains are a bit filthy.

DG, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Completely vile.

One of my very worst commuting experiences (and, post-Hatfield, I had a few) involved the day I stupidly decided to try out the H&I-Canning Town section as a way of avoiding the central zone Tube rush-hour crush. Waited something like 40 minutes only for a smoked-glass sleek shinkansen-style thing to pull up, left off some bubbly- quaffing, insultingly cheerful suits and shut its doors on us (Anglia Trains private special). Eventually squeezed onto one of the regulation meat-wagons a little later; most malevolent atmos ever on a train. Coupla hundred foax pissed off at the service, each other, themselves...

Then it terminated at Stratford.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What Anna said.

Graham, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Connex South Eastern are the root of all evil in the Western world, well in the south east of England. Responsible for me getting so wound up on customer help line that I ended up screaming "I'm moving house because your rail service is so incompetant! All you do as a business is run trains, how hard can it be!" and then crying. Yet another case of customer service representatives thinking I am a mentalist. (Circumstances, I had been told I would recieve formal disciplinery proceedings if I was late for work again, as train excuse was wearing thin. I moved house. I stopped being late. Boss noticed and apologised which was very good of him really.)

Anna, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

from age 9 to 12 I rook it everyday from dalston to west hampsted to go to school. for a couple of years they were still using, non corridor slam door trains and in the mornings when it was really busy, I used to ride in the guards van, come to think of it I used to when it moved over to sliding doors. For a time there used to be a couple of services a day from livcerpool street to willesdon, via queens park, I sometimes took those getting off at south hampsted, gospel oak is naex to my curren t office.

nuff?

Ed, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Connex still use the slam door ones in Rye (with bare light bulbs sticking out of the ceiling). We were told they'd had their contract terminated but it doesn't seem to have happened.

Graham, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They are unlicensed, renegade trains and must be driven off the railway network (do not get in them late at night even if you are desperate).

N., Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

South West Trains still use slam-door ones as well. Meant to get new ones ages ago, I think, but they are only just arriving now.

Bill, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Trains? After nine pm? Zone 7 = Antarctica

Graham, Wednesday, 22 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
wow i appear to have been really lucky every time i've used this line

stevem (blueski), Friday, 21 November 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

What strange new concept of 'luck' is this?

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 21 November 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

the one where you have had no real negative experiences of using something although the general consensus seems to be that using that same something will bring only misery. my only gripe is that the last train Westbound is around 11.30pm from Islington area.

stevem (blueski), Friday, 21 November 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
still loving it. but i have not been to North Woolwich yet and probably never will.

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if I've mentioned it yet upthread, but I found a North London Line simulator on the net - you have to route all the trains back and forward and fit freight trains in between them. It's rather hard to do (you're basically doing the job of about 5-10 people in reality).

http://www.simsig.co.uk/html/downloads.html

caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

It was ok this morning. After that time it took 25 minutes to arrive I am a bit wary.

alix (alix), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

I use this quite often between Gospel Oak and Brondesbury Park. I am amazed that no one has pointed out that you can almost always travel free - thus sticking it to Ver Man. It is quite a curious line: the passengers seem to consist entirely of very rough looking labourers and frightfully posh Hampstead schoolgirls. I am always tempted to hop on the trundling freight trains early in the morning and embark on some picaresque hobo adventure.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

You never know where you might end up!

(no, really, a freight train trundling through Gospel Oak really could be going anywhere in the country)

caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

I rather not enjoy riding this line anymore since getting off at Hackney Central involved a police search.
Although they rarely ever check tickets. Enough so that it's not worth buying them.

Catty (Catty), Friday, 11 February 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

it was handy for getting to my mate's house at cricklewood (stopping at kilburn) from upper holloway. but he's moved now.

it feels like a ghost train sometimes. the stations always so quiet at night and the train goes so slowly through these shady tracks.

it's way better than silverlink county trains that goes from london to milton keynes and beyond.

ken c (ken c), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

I went to North Woolwich once, for a laugh. It was even more depressing than Beckton.

alix (alix), Friday, 11 February 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

I went to north woolwich this weekend. I went to Grenwich to see the Conrad Shawcross show an realised that I had never been through the woolwich foot tunnel, so I went along popped up in north woolwich, had a quick look in the station museum, which is not very good, and not as good as it was. Bought a book about the line between stratford and North Woolwich. i learnt that stratford to North Woolwich was a GER line, not part of the Broad Street Richmond NLL, part of an extensive network of dock lines for the Royal docks, some GER some PLA.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 11 February 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

i cant beleive this thread has gone on and no one has called gareth out on ignoring the bulk of the silverlink network ( and my town with it)

ie:

London to Willesden Junction
London to Watford
London to Milton Keynes, Northampton, Birmingham New Street Coventry, via, Harrow (sometimes Queens Park), Wembley (oh err not ofen), Bushey, Watford, Kings Langley, Apsley, Hemel Hemsptead, Berkhamsted(the real deal), Tring, Cheddinton, Leighton Buzzard, er....Wolverton?, MK, Long Buckby, Northampton, and beyond (knowledge is a bit shaky after Tring)

also, the highest fare increase out of franchises in the last round of price hikes! hooray! getting shat on by Virgin! 17 peak day return London to Berko (try doing that every day - the reason i moved to Holloway)!
aw man, silverlink is fuckin shit it makes me nostalgic for the stupid old bastard

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 11 February 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Ed not suzy above obviously

Ambrose you left out Bletchely to Bedford, Watford to St Albans Abbey, Wilsden Junction to Clapham Junction and barking to Gospel Oak and Silverlink now goes no further than Northampton

Ed (dali), Friday, 11 February 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

holy shit you are right on all counts ed. obviously. im sure that their timetables on stations say "Coventry to London" wtf?

i always wanted to go on the St albans abbey line

i once shuttled between watford and some unknown place a few times asleep with will after a long night out, and emerged onto watford high st looking like zombies, will taggin bins asleep (?!) and frightening the good people of Watford and we staggered down the parade past Costa Coffee.

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

eleven months pass...
local paper talking about climate of fear on londons 'loony line'. unmanned stations in near darkness (canonbury!) cant help. there is a weird atmosphere on this line though, even at 8am!

terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

It's an out of place south London line. It's kind of like a shady bar you have to know it's there, most people dopn't give it a second thought.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

i have lots of affection for the free train, though i think this is because i never have to take it in rush hour. i tried to do that once or twice before living here and it was mayhem, would not want to do it every morning.

it is v good for getting home from camden or kilburn with the bike if it starts pissing down or i have accidentally got too drunk.

it stops running too early, though perhaps this is best given the below.

people seem pretty freaked out by it after that dude got stabbed to death near kensal green. um, understandably so. those platforms seem designed to have that sort of you-are-on-your-OWN-now-sonny vibe about them.

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

What does ILX think about the forthcoming (in the longish term) closure of the North London Line south of Stratford?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

everything to do with the olympics in london is a whole heap of shit.

(um winter olympics time now though yay!)

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

(i'm assuming they're closing it because of the 'lympics?)

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure if it's related - I think the idea is more that cutting it in length will improve services on the remainder, and that when the DLR Woolwich branch is finished it will be entirely duplicated by either the DLR or Jubilee Line.

Unless, of course, a vital part of the Olympic stadia is going to be built on the short bit of trackbed that will be freed up at Stratford (the Low Level Station to Channelsea Junction, just west of the international station)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

I have never had to pay on Silverlink. The one time inspectors asked to see my ticket they were Jamaican and let me and my friends off because we were drinking Red Stripe.

chap who would dare to be completely sober on the internet (chap), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

i always seem to catch a bloody inspector on saturday mornings!

it is grimey 4real tho, my afternoon train today got stopped for 40 minutes so's the police could come arrest some boys with knives :(

hold tight the private caller (mwah), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

I am always tempted to hop on the trundling freight trains early in the morning and embark on some picaresque hobo adventure.

haha super true

hold tight the private caller (mwah), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

also one time at gospel oak i was waiting on the buggered barking line with 50000 other ppl while tannoy and help post info conflicted each other; i asked a wandering station attendant which was right, he said they were both wrong; when i suggested he should maybe get on the tannoy himself and sort it out he sheepishly goes: "ah yeah well er, i've kinda locked myself out of the office actually."

hold tight the private caller (mwah), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

silverlink county trains were great. I used to be able to get a day return from rugby to london for £7.50. only until I stopped being able to pass for under 16 though.

Cathy (Cathy), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

whats gonna happen when TfL get control of these? are things going to improve? will they re paint em? etc?

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 09:11 (nineteen years ago)

Are TfL really going to get control of them? I know it's been talked about for a while, but I didn't realise an actual decision had been made.

Things have ever so slightly improved in the last couple of years at the stations. Both Caledonian Road And Barnsbury and Kentish Town West have been tidied up a bit. Still not the nicest places to being hanging around after dark tho.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

TFL already has control, as far a governing the franchise deliverables and funding the services go. So far they paid for some extra services and extending some peak hour services so they run from Claphan through to Stratford rather than terminating at Wilsden or Camden Road. I doubt there will be a repaint or a refresh of trains any time soon though.

Passenger is always going to play second fidlle to Frieght on the NLL west of stratford and GOB though. The infrastructure is very good as a result but it is the only east west corridor north of the Thames and South of Nuneaton Peterborough. It one of the few lines where you could see passenger services being cut at the expense of freight paths. A clear argument for reopening the closed sections of Oxford-Cambridge with a reguaging to accept 9ft6 containers (and reguaging Felixstowe-Nuneaton).

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

How about that there croxley rail link

An whilst we're about it: Wrexham Shrewsbury and Marlybone Open Access Application.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand why the NLL signalling doesn't get upgraded - it's only 3-aspect and with fairly long blocks. Shorter blocks on the Acton-Camden Road section would improve things. Another idea that would be expensive but improve capacity a lot: rebuilding the Camden Road to Dalston section to use the four-track section more efficiently.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

The trouble with an work like that is you would loose the use of the line for big periods . When they did the track upgrade on the GOB tey could use the NLL as a diversionary route but there isn't anything west of Gospel Oak.

Arguably if you focused on the Dalston Camden road four track section, making it proper 4 track all the way, reinstating some paltforms etc, it could be done on that section. But that is not where the pinch point is. The pinch point is between Gospel Oak and Wilsden/Acton.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 09:35 (nineteen years ago)

yeh but how awesome would trains with massive TfL logos be, and johnston all over!!!!!!

http://www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres/93DC5F37-5CEB-4167-A315-207B4E7CDEDD/0/333atplatform.jpg
you cant really see it here but metro in leeds have loads of newish rolling stock which they cover in their branding and i think it makes a big difference to the public perception of what network providers do (ie PTEs)....gives a clearer sense of someone actually controlling things and maintaining some order over the transport network.

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

The pinch point is between Gospel Oak and Wilsden/Acton.

Mmmm.

(have you tried the NLL Simulator at simsig.co.uk?)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

Funny you should mention that I was just about to try that out.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

The supplied timetable is winter 2003 and doesn't take into account the improvements to GOB to move Thames Port Freight away from Stratford.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

XPost to Ambrose

As they do with buses in London but not in Leeds.

TFL hasn't really gained the status of a PTE yet. The problem is that the interface between London, Commuter and Long distance services in London is much more complex than anywhere else. It' much easier in Leeds to define a West Yorkshire PTE area. where do you draw the boundary with London. The Old Network South East map used to include Exeter via Salisbury and through Stations to Birmingham. Do you draw the the boundary at the London Region Inner suburban boundary (Broadly speaking Aylesbury, Watford, Luton, Stevenage, Standstead, Shenfield, Pitsea, Dartrford, Sevenoaks, Oxted, Gatwick, Dorking, Guildford, Woking, Slough, Princes Risborough.) Then how do you deal between the needs of the LRIS commutters, GLA voters, longer distance commutters and Inter-City travellers?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

yeh i went to this bus branding talk and the guy was all for painting buses all manner of "sexy" colourful brands like "badass bus" or "modern-itiBus" or something but didnt take kindly to my question about trying to retain some sort of coherence to a network in the light of all these garish liveries, esp. wtih regards to londons bus brand ie they are all RED, which is worth about ££££££££ i reckon in branding terms. apparently there are no conurbations outside of london so theres no need for passengers to be aware of a integrated transport network that runs beyond just the 49 to bramley or whatever

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

Bollocks.

They need to bring in the London style regulated bus system to every major city in the country. Coherent branding would be key to this.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 10:15 (nineteen years ago)

But would other cities be allowed to use red?

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

Cambridge to Oxford line on the old alignment VERY unlikely to happen I would have thought. Not least because the Cambridge end is covered in radio telescopes.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

Alerations could be made but ther eis a desparate need for another east west line in the south east, north of the thames.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

Ridiculously, back on December 26th, there was absolutely nothing at all at Hackney Central to suggest the trains weren't running that day. We and many others had assumed they were running and stood on the platforms for some time before I decided to ring National Rail Enquiries and ask them when the next train west was going to be ('tomorrow' was his reply). Ensuring that there is at least one member of staff always on duty at every station might help (actually providing gates that can be shut when the service is not running would too).

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

Despite no longer living there, the news that the Shepherd's Bush WLL station is going to be ready this autumn has got me unreasonably excited. A proper useful interchange between the WLL and the rest of the network should have some interesting effects on its use.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Ed, but does this need to go any further east than the the ECML?

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yes - there's an awful lot of freight traffic to Harwich.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

I get the Silverlink from Camden Road to Gunnersbury to work, sadly it is not a free train at all for me as there are gates at both those stations, not to mention heavily manned stations. I hate it, it's late every morning.

Thankfully it does run very well going home, I almost always get home about 20 minutes quicker than getting to work. I do have to fight to get off the damn train at Camden every night though.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

(I don't take the Silverlink any more because I'm a Sarf Londoner (though I have loads of horrible memories of standing on the Finchley and Frognal platform waiting for trains that never showed...) but I just wanted to say I love ILX when it goes like this. Rah.)

She's In Parties (kate), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

FP, what I mean is that the OxCam line need only go to the ECML at Sandy(?) and then freight can use the existing lines via Hitchin and Royston. Reviving the alignment between Sandy and Cambridge would be unnecessary, no?

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

Aah, I see.

The problem there is that the only spare paths on that route are at night.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

But a more important problem - which I've only just remembered - is that Sandy is the wrong side of Hitchin, and the junctions all face the wrong way.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

ed...soon come, soon come (2008?)

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

You guys are playing some mainline version of Mornington Crescent here, aren't you?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

You're right about the pinch point being at cannonbury. I'v ejust done that simsig simulation (at home with the flu today)The single tracking of the AC lines at caqnnonbury junction is a bugger.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

I also had to dump a couple of freight trains on the blocks at richmond after they, um, got a bit lost.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

If you get really stuck, then there is the "Tell train to abandon timetable" command, after which it will just vroom about whichever way the route is set.

If you get *really* really stuck, there's a "Remove train" command.

(go to the trains list - F2 - and right click on a train for all the commands)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

seeing as enthusiasm is high for trains at the moment, could someone please tell me how the hell i am going to find out an indicative cost for going from london to barcelona overnight. just spent an enourmously frsutrating 20 mins on the phone to raileurope who couldnt tell me, and their website is buggy as hell... :( just need to know if its 50 pounds, 500 pounds or 5000 pounds.... ie just how much more ridiculously expensive than the plane it is.

i did it a few years ago and was sure it was about 200 pound but dunno what it is now

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

Is this any help? http://www.seat61.com/Spain.htm

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

(Actually, just had a bit of a poke around that site and it looks exceptionally useful - esp. considering it's by an enthusiast.)

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Paris BCN here:

http://www.elipsos.com/htm/default.htm?lang=3

180 euros return in a seat 208 in a couchette. There's 30% off for couples travelling together and a further discount for travelling monday to thursday.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

local paper talking about climate of fear on londons 'loony line'.

was that in the broadway gazette or ham & high or suchlike? going by their headlines, it's a wonder that anyone in north london escapes fatality, or at the very least maiming, when they leave the house. "CLUBBER GANG RAPED IN MINICAB" and "PC BEATEN BY SCHOOLGIRLS" are two that i remember in particular.

the atmosphere is strange, though. there's a stop next to my house, and it seems so forlorn.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

PC BEATEN BY SCHOOLGIRLS

this was also a headline on the front cover of Chess Weekly

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

PC = stevem?

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-centre/press-releases/press-releases-content.asp?prID=690

The silverlink metro to be controlled by TFL from 11th November 2007, Franchising starts now. Shall we put in a bid to operate it?

Ed (dali), Friday, 17 February 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

i reckon betwen you and forest pines you must be able to work out how to drive a train.

itd be easier to set up a bus company tho. all you need is a bus (old routemaster?) and register your service 6 weeks ahead.

this is super good news tho - i think they should put the improved services, fares, staffing etc etc on the backburner and concentrate on covering the trains in the Roundel and Johnston type everywhere.

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

Oyster pre-pay will be a big improvement.

Ed (dali), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Then need to give it a proper tube style name as well. Since lots of other names seem to be made of of bits of station names how about:
The Brondford Line
or even better
The Willbury Line. The trains can then be called Travelling Willbury's, which can lead to all sorts of dull plodding music jokes.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

The Roy Orbital

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

we shouldn't be too Petty about name changes though.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

Things they definitely need to do:

- More station staff esp. at night
- CLOSE the stations on days when there's no service.
- Dress up Homerton station more, it's bitterly depressing - a little tinsel would work wonders

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

They could stick an extra carriage on trains at rush hour for a start.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)


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