Virginity: how does one lose it?

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If this seems a blindingly stupid question, you may be a heterosexist. The het definition of how you move from virgin to non-virgin (or 'trollop', to save me typing that too often) is clear and well-known, and is how I became a trollop. However, I'm bi, and other kinds of sex might have happened to come my way first. What would I have had to do with another man to become a trollop? What does a woman have to do with another woman? Do bi (or pseudo-bi) people have two virginities to lose?

My feeling is that this can only be self-defined. This leaves the possibility of stupid answers and the term losing any useful meaning, but I don't think there is a good non-het meaning anyway.

Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 25 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Congrats on yr coming out MArtin. I think that we need to fuck with binaries, lets define virginty this way- if someone has brought you to orgaqsm then you a re no longer a virgin

anthony, Saturday, 25 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

anthony's definition works well for men, i'd guess. but there would be lots of young lady virgins who'd had plenty of sex, but no orgasms. yes?

Ron, Saturday, 25 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And if you think about somebody while masturbating, in some way that person is giving you an orgasm

Chupa-Cabras, Saturday, 25 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You can lose your virginity heaps of times; theres lots of different types. I've lost heaps of virginities and i've probably still got more to lose.

hamish, Saturday, 25 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The term "virginity" in this context is something of a dud, because it's extrapolated from the concept of a woman who has not yet been penetrated vaginally to the point of rupturing the hymen. (Has anyone ever come up with a satisfactory biological explanation of why the hymen exists?)

If people insist on applying the term virginity to the state of not having performed other sexual practices, I'd say that one loses one's XYZ virginity when that person accomplishes sex act XYZ with another party.

j.lu, Saturday, 25 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i once posted that i believe that one loses their virginity when one engages in any sexual behaviour with at least one other person, where at least one person involved is attempting to orgasm (it does not necessarily have to be reached). but someone said that this definition was too rigid. perhaps its all down to the individual, like sexual pleasure itself.

di, Saturday, 25 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

you can only lose your virginity if your father sells you to a nice suitor, and holds up the bloody sheets the next morning for proof.

Queen G of the Arctic Nile, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Martin, tis wonderful that you came out, as I'm sure that mustn't have been easy.

I concur with Di: there are many ways to lose your virginity. It only is up to you to decide whether you've actually lost it. (There are people who decide to call themselves "virgin" again, once they fall in love or decide to get married).

It's only societal rules that have created and supported the idea that virginity can only be had (and lost) once. Ridiculous.

Nichole Graham, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Uh, thanks for the kind sentiments about my coming out, but I've been openly bi for a very long time - I've certainly mentioned it on this board before. I would guess that anyone who knows me well has known for at least ten years, and I've been open about it in work contexts for almost as long. For the record, it wasn't at all difficult: though I have never told my mother. An illustration of why...

My father was a bit more open-minded and up-to-date than her, so he got stuck with this job. I was 19 (late 1978), and about to move in with Jackie (a woman with whom I only split 23 years later). We'd been engaged for a while, been on holiday together and had two other weekends together. My dad asked me one morning, stumblingly, "I've got something very important to ask you. Have you and Jackie... um... tried sex together yet." I was a bit mystified. "Of course we have." He exploded (not literally). He was furious and genuinely shocked and disgusted. I've always been slightly relieved that they assumed neither of us had "tried sex" with anyone else before. My dad died many years ago, and my mother is in her eighties. I can see no reason at all to tell her.

For anyone who was thinking that I was interested in working out whther I had some virginities left to lose, the answer is that I don't unless you come up with some very strange ones indeed. This arose out of a conversation with someone else who wasn't sure.

Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Martin: Didn't the stumbling and "I've got something very important to ask you...." parts kinda suggest to you that you should say no? (Hindsight is always 20/20. I know.) As for me, I've decided never to talk about sex with my parents. Why? Because there's a child molester in my (near) immediate family. Because of that, sex, and especially offbeat sex of any kind, is taboo and hated. And I'm into offbeat sex. I don't think my mother will google me, though. She's not into doing that. At least I hope so.

One good thing about the "you have to have acheived penetration with a member of the other sex in order to have lost your virginity" thing is that it's allowed for quite a bit of sexual exploration on the part of young people.

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The path of wisdom might have been to lie. I think my first reaction to this was that he knew the answer would be yes (it was so obvious) and he was going to talk about contraception or something. I knew my parents were pretty Victorian, but I didn't realise just how old- fashioned they were.

Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe virginty has to involve 3 dwarves adn a rather small goat.

anthony, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn. In that case, Anthony, I am still a virgin. Rats.

Martin Skidmore, Sunday, 26 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's only societal rules that have created and supported the idea that virginity can only be had (and lost) once. Ridiculous.

Ha ha ha ha, sounds like someones got a few regrets! Sorry love aint no second chances on this one, losing your brown wings dont count.

atila the hun, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You kind of have to let society govern concepts like "virginity", and accept that definition. I mean shit the alternative is to define it for yourself, but then no- one whould know what you meant when you went around calling yourself a "virgin".

Communitarianist boy, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark S to thread!

N., Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

seven months pass...
Virginity is irrelevant. I see no point in trying to define something that has always been an instrument of segregation and disinformation. By assigning special significance to whether someone has had sex or not you assign a similar significance to sex itself. Sex needs no special significance as it is a natural, normal, and ordinary part of being alive and being human. Sex is something that is best defined by each individual for themself. It is also something each of us should keep our own counsel about since the world is full of propaganda and people who will lie to you (and themselves at the same time) about it.

Lee

Lee Reynolds, Friday, 17 January 2003 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I disagree with lee. Viginity is relevant and so is sex. When you eliminate any special significance of sex you eliminate its value. Birth is a natural part of being human, is it not special? If it isn't, than life is not special. You say sex is normal and ordinary. It would be boring and unexciting if it was. You may want to refine your individual definition, because you might be lying to yourself.

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 17 January 2003 23:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah but A Nairn, you realize, right, that if you're attached to one person -- like for example if you're married -- you'll be having sex with them on hopefully a regular basis for, well, possibly decades, and eventually on the level of just like "how often it happens" sex can actually become technically less special than, say, eating pancakes? I mean, assuming you don't eat pancakes too often.

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 18 January 2003 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Aren't there still plenty of older couples who have been together a while that have exciting sex?

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 18 January 2003 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, assuming you don't eat pancakes too often.

Are they good pancakes?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:04 (twenty-three years ago)

There is nothing routine about pancakes or sex.

James Blount, Saturday, 18 January 2003 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Sex feels good. So do pancakes. Sex can feel really bad. Pancakes can't. They're always good.

toraneko (toraneko), Saturday, 18 January 2003 06:48 (twenty-three years ago)

you obv. haven't had the pancakes i'm forced to make when i run out of milk....

Amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 18 January 2003 07:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude, I'm not saying it can't still be exciting, I'm just saying that surely in order for it to stay exciting you have to accept that it's happening regularly and that it's not inherently earth-shaking. We make such a huge deal out of it but it's not inherently a huge deal unless you're doing something to keep it one -- it can just as well be ho-hum, it can even seem completely stupid and ridiculous, it's just this thing you do with your genitals that can easily seem meaningless if you're not investing it with some sort of realistic meaning. It doesn't just take care of itself, it's not automatically this huge thing. You have to figure it out and make sense of it for yourself, right?

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 18 January 2003 07:08 (twenty-three years ago)

i think pancakes are a euphemism for masturbation.

di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 18 January 2003 08:42 (twenty-three years ago)

sort of like that BBD song, "Flapjack it, rub it down, oh no..."?

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 18 January 2003 08:49 (twenty-three years ago)

make me pancakes in the morning, make me pancakes in the night, make me pancakes when i want a pancake.

di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 18 January 2003 08:59 (twenty-three years ago)

that it's not inherently earth-shaking

Diary of the Sexually Satisfied Individual.

"Day 1: Got up, ate, went to work, came home, ate, had sex, slept.

Day 2: Got up, ate, went to work, came home, ate, had sex, slept.

Day 3: Got up, ate, went to work, came home, ate, had sex, slept..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 January 2003 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

eleven years pass...

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/02/living-myths-about-virginity/283628/


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Laci Green grabs a thin sheet of latex, stretches it over the end of an empty toilet paper tube, and starts cutting away with a pair of scissors. "I'm makin' a hymennn," she sings before holding up the finished product to the camera, where, on the other side, more than 700,000 subscribers now await her every upload. "Ta-da!"

Since 2008, the 24-year-old YouTube sex educator has been making informational videos about everything from slut shaming and body image to genital hygiene and finding the G-spot. This particular scene comes from a clip called "You Can't POP Your Cherry (HYMEN 101)" which explains, with the kind of bubbly, web-savvy humor that makes her a popular vlogger, that the hymen isn't a membrane that needs to bleed or be broken during intercourse—it's actually just small, usually elastic folds of mucous tissue that only partially cover the vaginal opening and can, but don’t always, tear if stretched. A year and a half after it premiered, with well more than one million views, Green's video debunking one of the most enduring misconceptions about virginity is also one of the most popular segment she's ever recorded.

j., Saturday, 8 February 2014 01:17 (twelve years ago)

Hymen o Hymenae!

Aimless, Saturday, 8 February 2014 01:26 (twelve years ago)


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