Drug tripping with MSNBC and their list of 11 mind-altering vacations

Hashish in Morocco

Absinthe is a nice drink but its hallucinogenic properties are hugely overrated/largely mythical. Still given the choice would usually rather be in Paris.

I totally avoided doing bhang in India - didn't seem like a smart place to do a drug that will potentially incapacitate you for 12-16 hours. I could probably handle doing mushrooms somewhere semi-safe and familiar (VI sounds pretty innocuous) but in general doing hardcore hallucinogens in a country where I don't speak the language or know my way around seems like asking for trouble. Pot in Amsterdam or absinthe in Paris? sure, no problem.

I enjoyed kif in Morocco.

Ayahuasca, without a doubt

"Cocaine in New York"
"Meth in Bakersfield"
"Glue in Lagos"

Jenkem in Florida

"Heroin in Detroit"
"Crack in Los Angeles"

"Heroin in a basement somewhere"

"Booze in Moscow"

"Sugar in Salt Lake City"

"Speed in Market Weighton"
"M.D. 20/20 in Driffield"
"Poppers in Scunthorpe"

ditch weed in rural minnesota

ayahuasca pwns this, tho

also: thinking about ordering some kava on the internet. anyone done this?

"Ecstasy in India"

Kava really does sound nice.

The trouble with these vacations is that I don't have any desire to go to most of these places, even if I'd like to sample the local drugs. If there aren't any museums nearby and the answer to "What's the nightlife like around here?" is "We mostly try to avoid swarms of deadly insects," I think I can live without the drug experience.

I picked Amsterdam. But not really for the pot.

amsterdam isn't really all that tbf

I love the way people can say 'Ayahuasca, without a doubt' despite its notorious purgative effect on both ends of the digestive tract.

Temezcal and peyote: yes! Mexico? Dear god, no.

Also I think it wld be the height of all folly were I to use ayahuasca.

Temezcal and peyote: yes! Mexico? Dear god, no.

yeah kinda my thoughts exactly. like, I would totally try a bunch of these in the comfort of my home or out in the American desert or the woods or something. In Mexico I would get all freaked out about not being able to drink the water or something.

whipits in the cornfield

http://bigcrow.com/artistsportraits/art/crumb_vangogh.jpg

The buzz: If you've never tried magic mushrooms, here's the gist: The good (sparkly hallucinations and giddiness) usually outweighs the bad (occasional nausea and dizziness).

Giddiness?

Giddiness?

...giddiness?

tallboys @ hooters

I'll go with giddiness. I once laughed for 20 minutes about the tile in the bathroom. That's pretty damn giddy.

so who got paid to go do the 'research' for this article? cause damn.

Maybe I've always done too high a dose of mushrooms but giddiness has never been a thing for me, at all.

Altho I do always see a CNN type news ticker thing at the bottom of my field of vision saying stuff.

It's getting off topic - but I had a bad experience in the summer of legal shrooms (2005), when I took some, went for a lie down, fell asleep (which you'd think would be impossible on shrooms), and woke up to full on unpleasant tripping.

kava sounds great, why isn't that legal?

I thought it was?

plus chewing coca leaves while hiking around in brazil sounds pretty fun.

totally agree about not wanting to be hallucinating/intoxicated in strange country w/ strange language but the effects of chewing coca leaves probably aren't much more intense than a strong espresso

okay, i guess i mean widely available then?

xp

absinthe eats your brain, doggs

"Opium in Cambodia"

tbh ayahuasca sounds pretty fucked up and not all that fun. anyone done it?

lol 'tallboys @ hooters'

I remember in high school newspaper writing a wee sidebar for a big drug themed issue called: 'Kava: get it while it's legal!' Surprisingly, this slid by somehow. I got a letter to the editor about what I'd written but it wasn't about the idea, it just said something like, 'Why did you mention Jethro Tull in that article? They suck!'

Hash in Morocco. Oh yeah, as well as some opium and then a few hours at the hookah. Talk about chillin' the fuck out...

The best thing in that issue was the layout person for the centerfold put a photo of Elmer's glue for the article about the dangers of glue sniffing.

http://www.guildcraftinc.com/images/products/full/262-204%20Elmers%204oz%20Glue.jpg

Also I have never done kava.

'done'

'Dramamine at the junior high dance'

"Synthohol at Deep Space 9"

Went with the 'Dam, but...it could just as easily be my porch, in about two hours?

Would not like to experience "where the fuck am I?" level of intoxication in a place where I could get stabbed/disappeared/etc.

i'm batting .500 on good mushroom experiences. and yeah, giddiness is a thing.

bad experience: mushrooms in amsterdam by myself (travelmates suddenly had a lover's quarrel ~moments~ after I swallowed, waiting for them to follow suit). i got turned away from the rijksmuseum after flubbing a ruse to get in on an age discount for which i didn't qualify. heard a man playing violin in the street and started weeping. got fleeced by a transient with a sign in five languages. ended up on a purple, angular bench (even the fucking benches were fucking with me) where my friends found me.

if anything, the fact that everyone DID speak english was even more unsettling---plus, being a lol college student from america, i was acutely aware of the fact that i was very clearly on a drug holiday, and that that made me loathsome

Paint fumes behind the dumpster.
Mescaline in the passenger seat of the Great Red Shark.

guys lets do a joint

in HAITI

j/k i always feel these conversations, deep thoughts 4 lyfe yall, i marinate on this shit every time i have a "panic attack"

i don't talk about this stuff usually I.R.L. because ppl think it's craaaaaaaaaaaaazy

Yeah I don't really talk about it all that much at all, IRL or otherwise, so I'm a little surprised at myself itt.

i mean i would argue that emptiness and buddha nature are contained within egolessness & interconnection. they're necessary extensions, no doubt, but i think that no-self, interbeing, emptiness and buddha-nature are all hinged points (there's nothing inherent in you or anything else, there's just buddha-nature and the interconnection thereof).

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:41 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is prob in some sense true but practically there is a school of buddhism that teaches egolessness w/o emptiness/luminosity - so unless youre some sort of spiritual genius it def needs to be said - repeatedly

I am feeling this thread

hey yall

its always worth pointing out that interconnectedness is a relative buddhist teaching and not at all the pith - buddhists are not at all walking around going we are all one maaaan dont u see - this is a misconception - of course from a tantric perspective u are kind of saying fuck it a relative pov can actually be quite lovely and deep

gbx ive met dzongsar rinpoche but i dont really know him - a few good friends of mine are close students of his tho - and one of my oldest friends is his gf of many years

!!!

that is dope!

ok this is an in to ask a question i've been real curious about...what is the uh average atheist's take on (their) intense drug experiences? is it considered akin to a rollercoaster, where it's like you're on, you feel however you feel, the chemicals acted on the flesh and then you're off and that's that? do you or don't you feel the need to actively rationalize it at all? don't remember coming across a testimonial that doesn't draw on some muddle of quasi-/mysticism, but i trust there are new refreshing answers to be had? don't remember if schultes was religous btw.

I've never done any real psychedelics, just weed, but I don't believe in a "spirit" that is not reducible to tangible physical phenomena, and I doubt acid/shrooms would make me have any experience that would change my perspective w.r.t. to that. I do have "deep thoughts" about the universe when high tho

i would like to find someone to study with, but man if it doesn't say something about me ~~~cosmically~~~ that i can't get up at 7.30 on a sunday and walk 5 blocks to the zen center :(

dzonsar rinpoche my teacher sakyong mipham rinpoche dizgar rinpoche and a few others are really on the forefront of this super westernized relatively young pointedly non theistic manifestation of tibetian dharma

how do you feel about that?

(srsly!)

cuz i feel sometimes bringing my super-westernized non-theistic garbage to the table is loathsome and missing-the-point, and yet i have lived in mountain towns and seen the most disgusting savages in the world totally misunderstand what i feel like, a total amateur, have understood to be pretty fundamental buddhist stuff

well u should prob get down w/shabhala cause we like to stay up late and drink - but i must admit dzonsar rinpoches sangha has the most ridiculously high percentage of hotties ive seen pretty much anywhere in any situation - i mean were pretty nice but im not sure what his deal is - its nuts

(ie - they are on some XXXotic tip with eastern mysticism, and fail to see how it might be practical to a guy that likes hockey or something)

xp !!! ok i'll get on that

can't get up at 7.30 on a sunday and walk 5 blocks to the zen center :(

― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Friday, April 17, 2009 12:55 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i feel u on this tbh but i mean it's not just about the weekly group sitting and dharma talk, its also about your private practice at home. i own an inflatable zafu!

yeah i know :(

anyone is going to have crude beliefs - the dharma is supposed to make u more subtle - also we take anyone - its like i heard khandro rinpoche say once "some of the worst people i know are buddhists

i mean, not :( that you own an inflatable zafu, you know

xp that's kinda what i like about buddhism. 'well u know, it takes all kinds'

real shit

gbx i know yr a super busy doctor in training but sometime u should visit shambhala mountain center - w/yr passion for the natural world u would love it there - completely magical haunting beautiful place

i konw it's not an exclusively western thing, but there is something reprehensible about how---for some---buddhism here is equated with a) some kind of ascetic, rarefied lifestyle devoid of material indulgences or b) the worst kind of 'anything goes' hedonism.

i blame yoga, and i blame drugs, in that order. even though i like both very much.

xp where is it?

oh, colorado!

colorado rockies front range 8000ft

buddhism has def gone on all sorts of perverted tangents in the west - its important to understand the misunderstandings but not be too judgmental - the whole thing is so foreign its going to take a little time to transplant the whole deal properly - i mean i grew up in a community which was in some ways the worst of the worst - it was also the most brilliant and devoted - but we are soo much better than we used to be - and thats just 40 years in - got to be patient just keep working

Yeah I imagine I'm not gonna be around to see what Buddhism looks like once the Dharma really plants its feet in the West, but I'm mad curious.

i would like to speculate on that - there will be a large group of people who are not particularly devoted mediators who enjoy the open kind no big deal vibe of buddhism - theyll form the basis of the community - the foundational practice will be zazen or something basically like it - there will be tibetan style tantric practices for the hardcore but with a much smaller cannon than in tibet cause basically people dont have the time to transmit the 80k dharmas - there will be because of the power of mass media celebrity teachers w/communities too large for them to relate to each student personally - theyll have other teachers under them who can have more personal relationships w/students - itll be pretty orderly and corporate - but therell always be the crazy wisdom gurus roaming the fringes for those who require strong juice

and canada will become a predominately buddhist country

actually prob somewhere in northern europe will be the first western buddhist country - theyre way out in front as far a dropping their old religious order - theyre going to want something to fill the void

that's quite a vision

i try u know - i could also see the whole thing collapsing in the event of a global catastrophe - buddhism encourages and requires peace

It definitely encourages but I don't think requires peace per se. Definitely its more likely to flourish and be whole-heartedly practiced in non-shitty scenarios (cf Burma), but I might argue that times of adversity are when practice is most useful.

To be fair I'm saying "times of adversity" which are different from total catastrophic social failure, and I tend to think the late 21st/early 22nd century are gonna be pretty messy as far as that goes. Who knows if sitting on your ass or chanting the Sandokai would be sufficient solace for that kind of world?

btw i am hoarding Kava, Pot,Magic mushrooms, Temezcal, Coca leaves, Hashish, Bhang, Peyote, Cobra wine, Ayahuasca and absinthe for when the apocalypse happens so

grain of salt

movin to tejas

Don't get excited, those are names he has given to his numerous bags of Mexican crap-weed.

kenan knows my true nature :(

I know your town, brah. I know it well. :)

btw it only now occurs to me that the title of this thread should have been Trippin Bawls w/MSNBC

~testicles~

you know that gif of obama brushing his shoulders off? you know the guy in the background who stands up and points at o like "this dude right here look at this dude"

thats me right now

lol

enjoyed the buddhist discussion guys wish i had something to contribute but i know very little

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guys lets do a joint

― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Friday, April 17, 2009 12:44 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

in HAITI

― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Friday, April 17, 2009 12:44 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark

^^^^ <3 this dude

i would argue that emptiness and buddha nature are contained within egolessness & interconnection. they're necessary extensions, no doubt, but i think that no-self, interbeing, emptiness and buddha-nature are all hinged points (there's nothing inherent in you or anything else, there's just buddha-nature and the interconnection thereof).

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:41 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

changed my mind on this btw

Pfft. Stoner.

lol