favo(u)rite of the big four do-it-on-yer-own sports

open goal

lol oh shit

dude badminton

^not even joking

but tennis then golf

hush my child, and snooker vs badminton vs korfball shall happen one day

Boxing > tennis > Actua Golf > golf > F1

tennis >>>> golf >>>>>> boxing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> f1

i wouldn't even call f1 one of the big four. athletics? figure skating?

lol badminton is like my fav sport, im not even trolling.

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Athletics is too broad an umbrella IMO, and figure skating lol

The sheer amount of money involved in F1, not to mention the rabid European fanbase, necessitates its inclusion, even if it's only being described as a solo sport for practical purposes.

Easy. Boxing.

Haha F1.

even if it's only being described as a solo sport for practical purposes.

u crazy, motor sports are just about the biggest team sports of all

I've just logged off to go and vote and had to come back on cos louis's made me think that a F1 where the drivers had to get out and change their own tires would be awesome.

I'd totally start watching auto racing if they did that.

It IS a team sport in everything but for the actual aesthetic dynamic of the very competition. But that dynamic counts for a helluva lot. Foremost, individual achievements are tabulated, then the team follows.

lolololololol NV

It IS a team sport in everything but for the actual aesthetic dynamic of the very competition

rong

Also, I don't consider poker a sport, but it's the greatest of individual competitive endeavors.

what is F1? racing? that's not a sport

i'd watch that too! tbh f1 is only tolerable b/c nicole scherzinger's bf does it.

even just the "running" segment of athletics is more worthy to be here than f1 though.

WmC, perhaps Poker vs Chess vs Go is due an airing at some point, but obviously it's not for this poll.

Not sure what my own answer is yet. This one's a toughie, 3 of them are more or less on a par, with F1 lagging behind

F1 isn't a sport. You take a winner one year and put him in a different car the next year and he's a bum. It's a car making competition.

do-it-on-yer-own sports?

first thought, "ay, why's masterbating missing from them options?!"
second thought: "uh-uh, masterbating's more an art than a sport, obviously".

I LOVE that Lex thinks that figure skating is a bigger sport than F1, even without the ensuing "is it a team thing?" hoo-ha.

a better sport for sure

I'd like to know how auto racing isn't a team sport.

hi Bill, welcome to an hour ago in the thread

Badminton is such fun. Was surpised 'poppage' wasn't an option.

Surprised, even...

that is another poll, poppage vs ooh maybe pole vault

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Tennis - the one I enjoy watching the most by a mile. Also, best soap opera action outside football. I get the feeling the year round fans are fine but the fairweather fans are knobs, especially Wimbledon/Henman Hill mob.

Golf - I like the idea of golf better than the reality. I'm sure playing is fun but I don't really get it as a spectator sport. Fans are fine with me.

Boxing - dudes punching each other in face, not keen on that really. Fans are dicks of the highest order. Comfortably the worst of the four great British working class individual sports, behind darts, snooker and angling.

F1 - no sport involving driving cars really really fast should be this boring. The drivers AND fans = knobs. I tend to assume anyone who is really into F1 also reads the Mail and likes Bravo Two Zero and military history.

That is in order of preference by the way. Voting tennis.

Snooker > Tennis > The rest.

also, omg @ Sclungethorpe United.

Tennis>>>>>>>>>>Golf>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>F1>>Boxing

golf, which should win this by a street if i've gauged ilx correctly yet again.

Tennis>Golf>Boxing>F1

F1 entirely for middle-aged (in spirit if not necessarily in age) Clarkson acolytes.

At the moment tennis, but I do enjoy golf as well - very relaxing on the telly. Plus I will watch F1 from time to time as well (but it is only really interesting when there are adverse conditions and/or, I hate to say it, a lot of accidents). It has genuinely been more exciting the last couple of years.

As regards Matt DC's point about tennis fans, the crowds at the French Open are easily bigger dicks than the Wimbledon crowds.

Golf - I like playing, even though I only play a few rounds every year and consequently never get any better. I don't dislike watching it on the telly, but wouldn't make a point of doing so.

Tennis - I used to be pretty decent, but haven't played for about 3 years for no good reason really. It's good on TV.

Boxing - if you can suspend thinking about the horror of what it's doing to their brains, then it's the most thrilling of the four. But as a sport the politics of the payday and lack of real meritocracy make it a bit pointless.

F1 - couldn't care less. An abject spectacle really.

So I'll go for Golf, for the totally subjective reason that it's the last one I played.

Boxing - Fans are dicks of the highest order.

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Angry dudes in their 60s in barber shops going "You vacking idiot, John Conteh would ave vacking murdered Bernard 'opkins" > all other sports fans.

Boxing - Fans are dicks of the highest order.

Not true

roland garros fans aren't as clueless as wimbledon fans, you'll overhear less of the "so when is steffi on court then?", and i don't think there's an equivalent of "henmania" (lol because mauresmo always chokes in the first week, if not first round). the show court fans will boo players at the slightest hint of a misdemeanour but this adds to the tv excitement! they'll boo ANYONE, even - especially! - home players who have the temerity to lose. except the champs who've paid their dues, they loved kuerten and graf towards the end.

oh, football fans, can you tell me about samir nasri? he's a football player and one of my favourite tennis players, tatiana golovin, has apparently quit tennis ("chronic injury") to be his WAG :( i want to know if he's ~worthy~ of her.

Boxing is the rare sport that really was better in the old days.

so tennis

I would imagine running is more popular than boxing or golf.

a GIS suggests nasri isn't worthy but i want to know about his character~~

oh, football fans, can you tell me about samir nasri? he's a football player and one of my favourite tennis players, tatiana golovin, has apparently quit tennis ("chronic injury") to be his WAG :( i want to know if he's ~worthy~ of her.

Really??!?!? French, plays for Arsenal, he's good, in an Arsenal sort of way, and does not appear to be a dickhead, as far as one can tell. I'm sure they will be very happy together.

Golf = too bourgeoise
Boxing = too violent
F1 = pollutive, not a real sport, cars just suck

Gotta go for tennis I guess. I would've voted for running had it been included though, somehow that feels like the purest form of sport. Just running, with your legs.

oh well that's acceptable then...she only played three tournaments last year, none so far this year :( i really loved watching her play, too.

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That's a shame about Tatiana Golovin... retiring, I mean, not going out with an Arsenal player

Golf = too bourgeoise

Not everywhere

I always thought tennis ws the more "bourgeois" sport (wtf anyway) than golf, despite the entrenched costs of the latter being significantly greater

oh, nv already said that upthread

voted F1 for old times sake. and to annoy people.

lol @ sum one defending a yuppie pursuit like fukken running over golf on class grounds.

You actually think there are more yuppies among professional runners than among professional golfers?!!

golf reeeeally not yuppie.

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I think the majority of top runners are from Third World countries. Most pro golfers I've seen on the telly are slightly chubby white dudes from the US or Western Europe. Maybe I'm going along the stereotype, but the latter seem more yuppie to me.

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my fav golf champ is se ri pak, she is not a chubby white dude from the US or w.europe

http://img.timeinc.net/golf/i/tours/2007/07/july15_pak_299x303.jpg

And you think most golfers are like her?

There's nothing inherently racist about tennis or golf. Golf only seems racist because of country clubs, but that's not the sport's fault. My beef with golf is that it's a waste of fucking land.

i don't think "most golfers" are like anyone, they are all their ~~own person~~~~

if all you mean by yuppie is rich(ish) and white then... sure. but strictly (pedantically, twattishly) speaking it refers to young, urban professionals, only the latter of which really applies to golfers.

gotta love the fact that one of the first out lesbian athletes was a golfer called muffin spencer-devlin tho

muffin spencer-devlin!!! what a name

My beef with theme parks is that it's a waste of fucking land.
My beef with sport is that it's a waste of fucking land.
My beef with holiday camps is that it's a waste of fucking land.
My beef with playgrounds is that it's a waste of fucking land.

WS Se Ri Pak btw

I'm not saying there's anything inherently racist/classist in any sport, but the varying social status different sports have + equipment and practice costs mean that in real life they often follow class lines.

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^ate the kitty cat

My beef with theme parks is that it's a waste of fucking land.
My beef with sport is that it's a waste of fucking land.
My beef with holiday camps is that it's a waste of fucking land.
My beef with playgrounds is that it's a waste of fucking land.

DISINGENUOUS! Nothing wastes land like a golf course. Or takes as much water to maintain. There are golf courses in the fucking desert!

Yeah, I'm sure a playground will provide fun for a more folks than a golf ground, plus it's free.

"for a lot more folks"

http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

Yeah, I think that Donald Trump's development in Scotland is an environmental aberation. (multiple x-posts)

Which one is trolling: making coherent arguments related to the discussion or posting "troll" images again and again?

"coherent"

http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

― F.C. Farcottonlocomotiv (Noodle Vague),

When did you decide to become an asshole? Was it just earlier, or has this been brewing for a while?

Which one is trolling, coming onto a thread about sport to make undergrad-level snipes about sport from a position of total ignorance and ignore all the arguments that don't suit your version of class war or shutting the fuck up and starting a thread about tofu piercings?

I do like how that post makes less sense as it progresses.

Not especially talking about you there kenan but srsly "golf is a waste of land" is an argument up there with "if we were all vegetarians the world would have enough food" as a non-argument.

Ok that does sting a bit as I have recently railed against the latter baloney POV.

Which one is trolling, coming onto a thread about sport to make undergrad-level snipes about sport from a position of total ignorance

Why are my "snipes" "under-grad", and what makes them "ignorant"? I'm not saying golf or any sport is bad or anything, just that with many sports there's often a specific class status. Just like with many other hobbies.

There is an argument that SOME golf courses are a waste of water (not land) in areas with a lot of tourists and serious water shortages but the same could be said about hotels, swimming pools and lawns and none of that but none of that is the fault of tourism, swimming or grass in themselves.

Tuomas only you could come onto a thread and state the blindingly obvious in such an infuriating way that it becomes a massive thread derail.

golf's decadent wastefulness is very much a +ve for me

I mean, not to jump down on your throat or anything but even needing to make that point in the first place just looks like a pose and it's understandable people are annoyed. It's a bit like indiscriminately going onto any old rap thread and talking about gun crime.

Why are my "snipes" "under-grad", and what makes them "ignorant"?

Sigh. Because umpteen people have pointed out to you that there is no simple class status associated with sport, that it varies from country to country to region to region, that a simple class reading of x = good y = bad is pretty asinine to the majority of sports fans, that your stereotype of the noble shoeless African peasant keeping it real on the running track is ludicrous, that "just saying" = trying to derail a convo about sports to a convo about why we should value some forms of culture over others.

Also lol lex.

Hey... next nine holes is on me guys.

surely F1 is way more bourgeoise than golf

burning loads of fuel to go around in circles quickly and then waste perfectly good champagne spraying it everywhere?

voted golf because it was the only actual do-it-on-yer-own sports as stated before (if you don't count caddies)

Caddies totally count. I think what we've learned today is that it takes a village to play some dumb game that's not as good as football.

you just have to think if you are making a computer of those sports, which of them can have a 1 player mode that doesn't involve any computer opponents.

tuomas really needs to acquaint himself w/john daly, is there a better example of golf's egalitarianism than him~

also the reason ethiopians and kenyans dominate competetive running is they have legs like storks and they grow up in high altitude environs. it's really not much more equitable or accessible a sport than plenty of other tickets-out-of-poverty like soccerball, basketball, etc.

or F1

watching people get wound up arguing about golf is a lot more fun than watching golf

so is sticking your head into an oven

Carlin contends that watching golf on television is "like watching flies fuck." I admit, I enjoy it a little more than that.

golf balls are such a waste of titanium

"Golf is a bourgeois sport" said Chavez on Sunday after officials have moved ahead to close two of Venezuela’s top golf courses.