The Anxiety of Influence

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This one is for Mark Sinkah!!! Influence what is it good for? And Alan Bloom classique or duddah?

― nathalie bloom (nathalie), Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually I am being serious: I want to know why Mark is against the concept "influence". *Pout*

― nathalie bloom (nathalie), Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

haha the lorry arrived the next day!! cuba you are on the thud-list!! you will not regret it!!

taking sides: kenosis vs aprophrades

― mark s, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

sniff. i just dont UNDAHSTAND YA! :-) wot is tudduh? lorry? dont speak in meta-furs! TALK TO ME 4 REEEEEAAAAL. hehehe

― cuba libre (nathalie), Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

influence only exists if we accept that it can travel backwards in time

― mark s, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Slicing up eyeballs

I want you to know!!!!

― Queen G of the &th Brigade of Inermentalist Post-Surrelaist Scholarasses, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Influence only exists as a (non-causal) connection in the consumers bonce.

― Pete, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

bonce sp beyonce

― mark s, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

social firmament and ferment?

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark has obviously heard my [very serious] theory that all music is derivative of Walk Like An Egyptian.

― Graham, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

'Back in time': cf Hopkins, ages ago. He said this best.

Sinker: like others, I have been a tad frustrated by your refusal to explain this polemical stance of yours (though a tad stimulated by the assertion itself). But have now realized you never will.

But - have you read Barthes' interview, in THE GRAIN OF THE VOICE, called - 'I DON'T BELIEVE IN INFLUENCES'??? And do you believe in... him?

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

(PS / 'Alan' (sp?) = Harold: right?)

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Alan Bloom = American classicist who was one of the first academics to moan abt the 'dumbing down' of American culture, and the 'dangers' of 'political correctness' - a big pal of Saul Bellow's, whose novel 'Ravelstein' is abt his friendship w/ Bloom. I think it was Bloom who famously (and fatuously) said "show me the African Proust".

But I think there are two Harold Blooms, to confuse things further...

― Andrew L, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Presumably there are thousands.

Nonetheless

Anx of Inf = Harold, c.1973 I believe;

Alan = sp: Allan. No?

(PS / Leopold = Anxiety of Indigestion - etc etc)

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you're right abt the Allan spelling, PF...

― Andrew L, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

it was in fact bellow who had the quote about the zulus having a tolstoy.

― , Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I know mark s is perfectly capable of defending himself, but the "backwards in time" thing does make quite a bit of sense in context (on this thread), and goes a long way in qualifying his insistent "doesn't exist". But cf Hopkins, ages ago? Really? Why that devious old plagiarist.

― The Actual Mr. Jones, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

grrr that gerard manley h., he rips me off non-stop: there oughta be a law!!

― mark s, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Allan Bloom was a rather dull and closeted reactionary who failed to realize such simple things as their is no african Proust because the narative sturcture in african lit is different.

― anthony, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

'The first man to do something is a genius, the second a fool'.

Nigel Mwebe, 'A La Recherche Du Coconuts Perdu'

― Momus, Wednesday, 5 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I am so persuaded by the boy Sinker that I no longer use the word Influence. For real! (Ask my producer.)

But I have still never seen him explain what's wrong with the word. Possibly he can't do so. If he does want to (and I don't think he does), this is an apt enough place to do it.

Hopkins said: JAMC were bad influence on Velvets. If he's reading this, let me tell him again that this remark has stuck in my mind as an extremely good, and somewhat convincing bon mot on reading-culture- backwards. Whether it's what Mark S means, I don't know.

― the pinefox, Thursday, 6 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

in the pub, last night, I refused to let someone use the word influence and I am not sure why. they seemed to refuse to agree that they knew as well as thought, though. so, maybe they deserved it.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, I just realised what happened.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

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