Slain Woman Also Accidentally Shot By Police

http://www.4029tv.com/cnn-news/19902903/detail.html

ugh

Sometimes it's just not your day.

"It's kind of like a wakeup call to all of us in the community to keep our eyes open and be caring about anybody, particularly young pregnant women who might have had a violent person in their lives.," said Judi Selle of the Peace At Home Family Shelter.

good god.

I am tempted to bookmark this thread for the next time someone talks about how friendly The South is.

Evil people are everywhere. Dan learned an important lesson today.

I think this has less to do with the friendliness of the South, and more with the prevalence of gun-happy poleece in the South.

Yes, B.L.A.M. Tell us more.

I don't know that shooting a guy who's in the process of stabbing someone is all that "gun-happy" -- just sounds like a horrible result that the stray bullet was what wound up killing her

agree

the bullet killed her "along with multiple stab wounds," according to the article, which suggests it may not have been the fatal act so much as something that sadly exacerbated what was already imminent.

I think this has less to do with the friendliness of the South, and more with the prevalence of gun-happy poleece in the South.

― Two Will Get You Three (B.L.A.M.), Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:08 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lmao are you retarded (rhetorical question of course u are) - wow yeah what a bunch of crazed gun-happy monsters, i don't know a lot about the application of lethal force but i'm certain that walking in on a dude stabbing his gf to death is when it is least called for~

btw can you even imagine what it would feel like to be the cop who shot that ho? like, just coming upon the crime scene and dealing with this grisly ass tragedy would be traumatic enough, but then to know that you killed this poor ass broad when you were attempting to save her? that would devastate me imo or at least bum me out a lil

xp

that ho?

Real nice.

If only that unfortunate officer would had a taser to kill her :-(

+ have

PP - I didn't imply "as opposed to everywhere else."

Canks - . . .

- . . .

This sounds like a really horrible and sad situation but ultimately just a really tragic accident. I guess I'm agreeing with Nabisco and Cankles on this one.

cankles been handing ilx's ass back to it of late

btw can you even imagine what it would feel like to be the cop who shot that ho?

can we fucking ban this guy already?

...there is an exchange of ass

as is generally known, I'm here for the ass

the mountain ass

assage

"mounting ass"

but that's like the most human thing cankles has ever posted

it's garbage & should warrant at least a lil 3-year yellowcard

btw can you even imagine what it would feel like to be the cop who shot that ho?

can we fucking ban this guy already?

― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:35 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

Seriously? I mean obviously his use of the term "ho" in that context is 100% serious and he hates all women but . . . Honestly, did you even read what was written?

Blam, if that was what you were trying to imply, why not just write " think this has less to do with the friendliness of the South, and more with the prevalence of gun-happy poleece in the South."

All this bringing up the geography of this tragedy into it really seems irrelevant to me.

Washington County is full of Yankees anyway.

yeah I read it. I'm not big on establishing the v. crucial context for "can you even imagine what it would feel like to be the cop who shot that ho" & really anybody who really wants to say "consider the rest of the paragraph!" is either being disingenuous or really fuckin clueless

What are you even talking about?

^^ ban this fascist already. xp not erica ;_;

i don't think cankles is saying that the dude who shot that ho probably feels like he's on top of the world.

cankles otm, i imagine that cop feels devastated enough to quit his or her job at this moment

haha we are foiled by the fact that even a positive sentiment coming from cankles will still be embedded with something awful

First Ian I was all O_O when I started to read your post and thought you wanted me banned!

Secondly, woah - it never occurred to me in a million years that that first sentence could be read that way. I thought he was objecting to the use of the term "ho". John you really thought he meant it the way Ian said? Wow.

"ho" is not in approved vocabulary codex fwiw

Blam, if that was what you were trying to imply, why not just write " think this has less to do with the friendliness of the South, and more with the prevalence of gun-happy poleece in the South."

Oh, whatever.

This is a tragedy. It was before the cops showed up, it became even worse of one when the cops showed up, and it reached its nadir once loveable old Canks eulogized "that ho."

Ugh. Let me get back to the warm, fuzzy world of litigation.

That piece of shit can say whatever he wants on the internet, it's alright with me. A metro cop accidentally shot a nanny here recently. He was aiming at gentlemen who had been bothering a lady and got a nanny in a two-for-one.

i support cankles

But elmo, what about when Santa says it?

can we ban santa already?

enbb no yr first impression is I am just objecting to the use of "ho." I know you guys have a v. awesome theory of language in which some poor woman shot by police getting called "ho" is totally not an insult, but fuck that.

impression is correct

what about "Tally ho?" Should we be banning foppish British people, too?

no, we should never ban the Clean

I don't see why not. xp

they have too many good songs--besides, they're from New Zealand so they're Kiwis, not Brits

i dunno i like to get offended just as much as the next girl but cankles is cankles is cankles

the Clean are British?

xpost oh way to fuck with my timing Que

crut is fukkin otm imo

that is some fairly jawdropping shooting, mr anderson clearly became neo

Cankles as Sleazy Defense Lawyer
J0hn D as Attractive ADA
HI DERE as Sam Waterston
PP as Fred Thompson
Kate as Aggrieved Mother
Ian guests as Finn Tutuola

resisting the urge to c+p entire news story and liberally sprinkle it w/"that ho."

if only i were that cool. xp

?? this is really horrible but it's not hard to see how things could have gone this badly. i don't think it's some kind of keystone cops routine, even tho the cops look like idiots right now.

the story/statement is unclear but it seems as though the couch was facing away from the window the cops were shooting through. so you have the couch, and then victim (with her head up above the back of the couch) between the cops and the guy doing the stabbing.

But one of the gunshots hit Ulmer and all nine missed Anderson altogether, police said.

What were they, stormtroopers?

seriously, dude has a knife... walk up to him and shoot him

walk up to him through a broken apartment window?

yeah, I don't know that anyone without a whole lot of professional knowledge about police work can really second-guess that situation. given that they initially thought he was punching her, it also sort of sounds like they were expecting a different kind of situation, and were probably caught off-guard when they realized he had a knife

well they could shoot out the window but they'd probably miss

I mean, that's a very split-second run between "he has a knife and is killing her" > "draw / aim / fire"

great thread! A++++++++++++++++++ will read again

He was moving (stabbing motions!), she wasn't.

i'm not second-guessing their decision to take the shot, but no arrangement of bodies and couches and windows excuses missing the guy 9 times while co-killing the lady he's stabbing.

you could also shoot over both of them since that'd probably scare the shit outta the guy

she wasn't moving?

The officers believed the suspect was punching Ms. Ulmer as they heard her screams and saw her arms and legs flailing above the edge of the couch.

Ah. OK.

maybe the stabbing guy didn't know they were there? article makes it seem like they were just hiding by the window going "what do we do now?"

otoh they were close enough to think they could taser him but also far enough away to miss him 9 times, i'm confused

poor ass cops

poor ass shots

why didnt they just walk up to him and tell him to stop???? :\

or just ask him nicely

seriously, the fact that we're even asking these questions is why I wouldn't get too opinionated about what anyone should have done -- I mean, yeah, that's a crap result, something could obviously have been improved there, but it's not like we know enough about their procedures or the situation to start getting all prescriptive up in here

I'm not second-guessing the decision to shoot (I think it was the correct call), I am horrified at the circumstances that led them to miss him nine times and shoot her in the head.

@Ricky hey quit it

nb I'm just guessing here but the attempted tasing might suggest that he was pretty well aware they were around and was just, like, busy stabbing a pregnant woman to death

i guess they weren't aware he was stabbing her when they tried to taser him through the window but it seems like a pretty ineffective strategy tbh

don't tase me, ho!

oh shit

(I'm still kind of incapacitated by Kerm)

otoh they were close enough to think they could taser him but also far enough away to miss him 9 times, i'm confused

neither tasers nor handguns are absolutely accurate. stress, moving targets, no time to aim, unsteady shooting position, and we don't know how far away they were; out past several yards these would be highly risky shots, especially with a dying woman tied up with the guy they were trying to shoot. maybe they were too far away for the taser in the first place but still did what they were supposed to. i think what happened is terribly unlucky but not out of the ordinary tbf

xps

handguns are tricky, iirx

apparently the shot ricocheted... still think one of 'em needs to be trying to enter the apartment by force once they saw what is happening.

no yeah i know, i was just trying to make a picture in my head

xxxp

Just as a general point of order, I really really really hope goole is wrong about cops accidentally killing the people they are attempting to save being something that is an ordinary occurrence.

am0n haven't you learned anything from the events of the last couple days? http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c287/expatrica/shakehead.gif

no, but i think cops bullets not going exactly where they would like, is

I wouldn't argue with that.

still think one of 'em needs to be trying to enter the apartment by force once they saw what is happening.

possibly was in the process of happening? although tbh I tried to imagine this and given the luck of this situation my first thought was an officer bashing down the door and running into the room right as the others fired

i'd say that in urban america bullets almost never go where they're supposed to, regardless of who's firing them

kennedy was shot by a cop trying to stop a robbery 3 blks away

could be that this apartment was on the 2nd floor and the cops had to form a human pyramid, which are notoriously unstable

considering their guns didn't fire bullets but little scrolls of paper that read "BANG" i'm surprised this is how it ended.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/2979168256_6d68778933.jpg

Guys, aside from when they have to qualify on their service weapon at the range, most (non-urban) cops never even pull their guns let alone fire them at a human target, so it's not like they get lots of practice. Heck, in the last two months I've probably heard nearly 1,000 cases in grand jury proceedings and in not a single one has a police officer discharged his weapon. And this is in Cleveland and Cuyahoga County.

that's why after something like this happens they're supposed to fix it and get their stories straight.

Listen to me you deaf fuck, I gave you a chance to be a cop, back when we could have done something...I gave you a chance to be a cop, and YOU BLEW IT!

(I'm not really following this thread, so this is off topic now but possibly of interest to nabisco and harbl per our earlier exchange - http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/140887?page=entire)