The Round System

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Last gasp of the British collectivist spirit or a bully-boy system that prevents individuals from drinking at their own comfortable pace. And do you get yours in??

Tom, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Also use this thread to pose and answer questions of round-buying etiquette.

Tom, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It is an unfair system but who cares? Stop being so tight.

N., Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

if i has just got paid then i will buy an enormous round and sulk when people forget to buy me drinks back. if i have not just been paid i shouldn't be up the freakin pub in the first place (but usually am). i think it all comes right in the end. still i prefer stopping in and drinking wine to going to pubs these days. i am a bouzing hermit.

katie, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't like being included in rounds and endeavour to just buy my own drinks whenever possible.

sometimes I get into mini-rounds with my special friend, but this always founders on the fact that she is a sipper and I am a raving boozehound, with the result that my pint will be finished before her shandy is a third drunk.

DV, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I drink slower than the average round which often worries me about iniquities but I think I am generally known as a good chap on the round buying. I am very, very good at getting the first round in of the night (which then produces the sixth round syndrome when the rounds come back to you).

Round buying is the singular reason that British drinking is the way it is.

Pete, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The first round thing is my weakness - I am cagey initially, partly because I know that I'm one of the fastest first-pint drinkers so could be in for a long wait if I go in early.* But I do get mine in and won't shirk a large round either.

*I'm also always late so this point is often moot.

Tom, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am usually broke and ph34r the large round bt will generally try to say if anyone can go halves, as a round of 4 people will usually wipe me out. At the end of the night rounds can disintegrate in singular splittings off to the bar but then the poor sucker getting their round in at the bar gets lumbered with their drink as well - even if you say they do not need to buy it (hello Tim)!! Rounds when there are two of you are easier on the wallet though, rounds in big groups will always happen but lead to more pain from the token broke git (generally me, sigh).

Sarah, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I feel your financial pain, Sarah. This didn't stop me from buying a TV on credit this weekend, but I still have no money.

PLEASE LET THIS REFINANCE GO THROUGH SO THAT WE CAN EAT THIS MONTH.

Oh, rounds? I loved them when I had extra money. Now they fill me with dread and anxiety. I hate mooching off of people.

Dan Perry, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I agree with everything said on this thread so far.

Round behaviour is troublesome because it puts financial and moral pressure on people to drink at the speed of the fastest drinker.

It also relies on reasonable behaviour between all concerned, and only really works when the group is small enough (and comfortable enough with itself) to police itself effectively. It breaks down in larger groups.

There are, of course, those who simply use the round system to make their evening out cheaper, because they're mean. Or those who abuse it in other ways, e.g. asking for vvf expensive drinks on other people's rounds while getting themselves tapwater on their own.

It's a good way of allowing friends who are skint to spend an evening with friends who aren't, without too great a burden being put on any individual. This requires up-front honesty though (i.e. making it clear you can't stand your round at the start, rather than after drinking your way to the bottom of everyone else's wallet...)

Unlike Pete, I tend to drink faster than average, but this tends to mean I make it to the bar more often, and I quite regularly find myself buying a mini-round as I go for my 'flier'. I really don't mind spending a few quid over the odds, because (taking Katie's and Nick's points above) things even out in the long run and it's good to be generous when you can. I suppose I'm sore at the moment because I was so comprehensively stung at the Glassblowers the other night (>£50 spent, chiz).

I do like to see the happy glows on my chums' faces as I hand over their pint of foaming Old Grody.

Tim, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The thing is with a large round half the time you're going to end up buying fewer drinks than you get back, so it all works out OK in theory. As long as your cashflow is OK. This is rubbish actually. I'm sure that over the years I have bought far more drinks for others than I have received back because a)I'm a slow drinker and often turn down return offers and b) I seem to have a lot of impoverished friends and c) I'm a really great guy. Maybe everyone thinks they buy more drinks that they receive but all the money is falling though some cosmic wormhole like when collecting money for a restaurant bill. Or maybe we're all just screwed by a sneaky minority.

N., Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There are, of course, those who simply use the round system to make their evening out cheaper, because they're mean

Question is: is this OK (rather than 'mean') if the person concerned is much worse off than most of the people they are out with? I mean like, on a repeated basis? My friends and I have definitely done this in the past, but then again I've had other friends who have not wanted to come out to the pub cause they are unemployed and can't afford to buy a round and don't want to sponge off others. In such circumstances I usually try to persuade them to come out anyway and they say 'Only if you let me opt out of rounds and nurse my half pint of blackcurrant and soda all night'. But they end up accepting the offers of drinks in the end.

N., Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's fine if it's clear to all concerned what's going on. Saying "listen I'm sorry but I'm skint" is fine *before* accepting drinks (it gives the round-buyer an opt-out) but if you wait until after that's not alright.

Apologies for rather grouchy-sounding post above. It's a pleasure to buy my friends drinks, particularly those who are a bit skint. I'm sure they'd do the same for me in the reverse situation.

Tim, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

errr, I'm sure I've got the round buying thing all wrong at the ILX meet ups I've been to. Sorry about that. I don't go to the pub much!

jel --, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm intrigued as to how you might have got it wrong. Tell me more. [surely it's not that confusing - you offer to buy others drinks and they do the same for you]

N., Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I know what I mean N! I have bought drinks before, but in the large group thing, do you buy drinks for the people you are talking with at the time or do you go round and see whose glass is empty? Is what I meant.

jel --, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh right. Doesn't matter really. If you're feeling really generous or no one needs a drink in your immediate vicinity then yeah you might ask along the table. But no, no one's expected to buy a round for 20 people. Except Tim, obviously.

N., Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What would Nietzsche's position on round buying be?

N., Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim, can you mail me a pint?

Dan Perry, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You mean you don't have kitties at FAPs? Blimey! (That's kitties, Alan, not kittens)

I haven't read the thread properly (sorry, am rushing off to Pub) but I think the continental system is way more civilised. Collect a pile of chits through the evening, then pay at the end and divvy it up. Plus, you get the drinks brought to your table. Scrums at bar = dud.

Jeff W, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What is a pile of chits? It doesn't sound very nice.

Table service is all very well but only expensive and/or crappy places do it.

N., Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i am one of those people wjo drinks both too fast and too much, so my round buying is prolific. ah well, i´m a lush.

(although i can´t be that much of a lush, as i should be drinking absinthne in smokey bars, not sitting in easy evberything struggling with spannish keyboards and listening to elvis costello sing évery day i write the book´)

anna, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

god, even by my standards that post was badly written. damn keyboard, damn.

anna, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

On my pub meet the ting was I bought drinks for ever who was finished, so I ended up buying three small rounds and had three drinks bought for me. It made it feel alot more collective.

anthony, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

When I get a job we will organise a big meet-up so I can buy a FUCKING ENORMOUS round or two to pay people back for the drinks they buy me. (I can hear busy fingers bookmarking this thread now)

DG, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm totally in favour. Love your mates for their wit, generosity and their deep pints....

Nichole Graham, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's nice to take turns because then you can pretend you're being "treated" some of the time. The only problem is carrying the drinks in my little paws, especially when people are ordering martinis and cosmos and other spillable drinks.

Classic: Running a tab with a credit card. Really gross inequities can then be evened out at night's end.

Dud: Realizing (as you reach for your wallet the next day) that your card is still at the bar.

felicity, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i have never been in a situation where the round system is in evidence. i believe it to be a myth. i HAVE boughrt rounds, and other people bought one later on, but never in a formalised style, with resultant peer pressure.

ambrose, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What DG said.

Graham, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am one of those weasels who hangs back, accepts all offers of drinks, then offers to buy a round later in the evening when there's less demand so it works out cheaper. I don't always do this but I slip into it sometimes.

David, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Plus when I have had money and asked "DRINKS ANYONE?" no one's heard, or they look at me funny as if I wasn't offering to buy them stuff.

Graham, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a standing agreement with my friends that all scores are always even. This works best, and stops the aggrieved feeling that someone is leeching off you. We've been drinking together long enough that it probably works out the same. I like the feeling of being able to get a round in, I'm not overly bothered about getting it back. Can't always afford to, but it's nice when you can. The point being: if you're out with you true friends it shouldn't matter.

Matt, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

twenty-two years pass...

Was talking to some younger people (mainly my siblings) and are rounds becoming a thing of the past? It seems that increasingly their friend groups don’t do this, citing the high cost of drink and/or discrepancies where people may be off the sauce for whatever reason.

Regardless of that, they did agree that being included in a round but not returning in kind was unfathomable.

triste et cassé (gyac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 10:54 (ten months ago)

the rise of individualism has killed the idea of a generic drinks order easily slotting into a rounds system

tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 10:59 (ten months ago)

Isn’t that also maybe being broke, like I know I’ll dip out of rounds when I know for certain I am short on money

triste et cassé (gyac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:01 (ten months ago)

It must be quelled xpost

LocalGarda, Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:01 (ten months ago)

forcing workmanlike pinters to wait on nursers is cruel

harrying nursers to swig up against gulletary restrictions or walletary issues is distasteful to many

you can see the tension

tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:01 (ten months ago)

ts quelled/quaffed

tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:02 (ten months ago)

ive a fella will just leave his unfinished pint and start the fresh one

monstrous

tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:02 (ten months ago)

Would this be a fella we both know? Couldn’t be

triste et cassé (gyac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:03 (ten months ago)

no

tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:16 (ten months ago)

now the same man obv not short a bob

tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:17 (ten months ago)

"It seems that increasingly their friend groups don’t do this, citing the high cost of drink and/or discrepancies where people may be off the sauce for whatever reason."

Young ppl apparently don't drink anymore.

As the youngest ilxor is like, 41, we can't check on this.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:27 (ten months ago)

I talk and drink a lot more when I am with one person, or two. If I'm in a larger group, I will usually limit myself to one round. Old reflex from student years, incompatible with rounds, which I always disliked. Also, the groups I associate with do not linger in bars, serious drinking would much more likely happen at someone's place. Wouldn't say rounds are a thing of the past though - they're just not a ritual.

Naledi, Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:42 (ten months ago)

well lingering is the point really get up and get your round in

tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:43 (ten months ago)

The round system was fraughter when my friend group was younger and skinter but also felt the need to almost competitively overindulge much every pub visit

Now I make more money I find it easier to just nope out and say I'm skipping one to pace myself (or buying a £12 brain-deleting cocktail I just don't want to cheekily game the round system with)

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:44 (ten months ago)

ts quelled/quaffed


"It seems that increasingly their friend groups don’t do this, citing the high cost of drink and/or discrepancies where people may be off the sauce for whatever reason."

Young ppl apparently don't drink anymore.

As the youngest ilxor is like, 41, we can't check on this.


Wow rude I’m not there yet!

triste et cassé (gyac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 11:50 (ten months ago)

The round system is sacrosanct but that doesn't mean nor has it ever that everyone must join it. In fact, a key pillar of the round system is politely saying if you don't want to be in a round, for reasons of time, numbers of people, finances or whatever, tho not necessary to cite that. The system breaks when someone accepts a load of drinks and goes home or whatever.

LocalGarda, Wednesday, 5 March 2025 12:07 (ten months ago)

I read this in Anne Doyle’s voice for some reason. GOOD EVENING.

triste et cassé (gyac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 12:22 (ten months ago)

no need to turn this into a sexy thread pls

tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 March 2025 12:23 (ten months ago)


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