UK Watercooler 37: My Marxist Feminist Dialectic Brings All The Boys To The Yard

Yeah, I know the title doesn't go with the number. It's still better than yours. Damn right.

http://thirty-seven.org/historical.html

Tough. It's named now and that's it.

I managed to clean the funk from my head with some Duran Duran. Ha ha. I have escaped your evil plans, Kerr.

See, you all howled and wanted a new thread, and I thought you'd be so happy you'd throw a 1920s free jazz party or something - but nooooo. Where is my 1920s wild jazz party now? Huh?

i'm envious of
your i.q. of
thirty-seven
(thirty-seven!)

or, in other words, hello Watercooler.

Hello!

Going to sulk now at the lack of 1920s jazz party. :-(

http://www.thesartorialist.com/photos/6069DanceRayWeb.jpg

you hate jazz

BEST EVER JAZZ ALBUM redone(AGAIN)

But I like flapper parties.

I'm beginning to think I don't like jazz that much either

I bought a flapper dress last week in Mpls.

Hurrah! Tom is finally seeing the light!

I like beardy scando-balaeric producers too much for mine own good.

Just have been listening to a lot of mid 60s New Jazz stuff, I hate the way that stuff is produced, WHERE'S THE FRIGGIN' RHYTHM SECTION!!!

"Yeah, like you gotta check out Milford Graves' drumming on this album, man, he is awesome, dude" Yeah, so why does it sound like he's rootling around in a cardboard box... two rooms away!!!!!!!

You are just taking the piss now, using this as an excuse to bang on about jazz on this thread.

Now you must post a pic of a current Kate lust object in order to attone for your transgression.

Errrrrrrrrrr, a Turkish 20s jazz dude?

that'll do. so long as he has a good beard.

It's a tribute to that Anal Cunt song "You watched "Thoroughly Modern Minnie" on BBC4 last night"

I'm so confused.

"Yeah, like you gotta check out Milford Graves' drumming on this album, man, he is awesome, dude" Yeah, so why does it sound like he's rootling around in a cardboard box... two rooms away!!!!!!!

I read this as a very strong recommendation -- that he was able to get through to the person doing the listening, despite all the faults in production. Like the assertion that great fiction simply translates to whatever language.

Sorry, you seem to be new around these parts. Jazz discussion is VERBOTEN on Watercooler threads UNLESS the post is accompanied by pictures of my current lust objects.

Yes, I know there's lots of strange rules on these threads, but it's kind of A THING.

that said...

http://www.self-titledmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/Lindstrom_005.jpg

I read this as a very strong recommendation -- that he was able to get through to the person doing the listening, despite all the faults in production. Like the assertion that great fiction simply translates to whatever language.

Is this true, though? Or is it something more due to reputation? Clumbsy production really can make things unlistenable to me *unless* I've been primed to already think of the substance as being great.

I often think about this in going back to records of bands I loved back in the 80s, when everything had that terrible chorusy sound. For instance, Throwing Muses The Real Ramona - which I love as a collection of songs, but the production is really distracting and I don't think I'd give it much of a chance these days if I hadn't already been predisposed to love TM from their earlier material.

(though perhaps I'm agreeing with you, because the songcraft on that album is outstanding, and shines through the terrible 80s production.)

Right, I'm so bored, I'm actually going to write some SQL views to translate those awful BLOB fields to VARCHAR.

I've got the new Annie album and I'm going to listen to it. Hurrah.

A good hook will get itself heard no matter what it has been decorated with (if we take production to mean decoration, which I guess isn't however I have been always somewhat 'deaf' to the whole issue of production; but on discussion of it I see its role as overevaluated when its talked about as obscuring quality) xp

Production is WAY more than just decoration. The way that a sound is recorded can utterly change the whole quality of that sound. Doing this well can lend a whole new dimension to a piece of music - doing it badly can reduce something amazing to a 2-dimensional cardboard box.

Thing is, someone who's not aware as to what exactly production is or does will not know what's wrong with the piece, they'll just say that it sounds "flat" or "boring" or "lifeless". Bad production can suck the energy out of a piece, destroy the emotional mood.

I think Kate should go listen to that album with Milford Grave's drumming.

Kate is too busy having her synapses massaged by scando-balaeric dronerock boys.

I have been always somewhat 'deaf' to the whole issue of production

I know, Julio! But I'm not though! I remember Brian Eno saying something about how a lot of avant-garde stuff just sounds shitty and sloppy, often on purpose it seems, it makes it more real, man, I suppose ... something like that anyway, I'm paraphrasing like mad... and I don't see the point in any of that. If something's good I want to at least be able to hear it!

It's seems like going to a gig and putting ear muffs on

Oh wait, is xyzzzz Julio? I feel rather dumb now. Sorry, didn't know it was you. But you should know better than to discuss Jazz on my thread! ha!

Yes, slapped wrists, Julio.

(really it's just a ploy to get other people to google for pictures of my lust objects for me, which never seems to work.)

I thought everyone knew it was Julio.

someone says "jazz" and he appears from nowhere to post should give the game away!

I think it was Milford Graves that did it

YOU SAID JAZZ. I DEMAND A PICTURE OF LINDSTROM OR EROL OR A HOTT BEARDYBOY.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/25869583.jpg

^ Milford have a beard

Actually, he's kinda hott. And bearded. And has a paisley tie! Too bad about the jazz, tho.

Yeah, that is a nice tie!

*Ouch*

Hi Kate.

Actually what got me to look at the thread was that I liked the title of it.

But I'm not though! I remember Brian Eno saying something about how a lot of avant-garde stuff just sounds shitty and sloppy, often on purpose it seems, it makes it more real, man, I suppose

I like Eno but I wouldn't exactly trust him (or anyone) with that assertion; when the technique seems to have been so labouriously worked over a number of years it doesn't make sense to present it badly in a recording of it? The likelyhood is that the conditions under which this stuff was recorded weren't exactly ideal - not that I'd use that as an excuse.

I guess I can tell a scratchy recording from a good one, I shouldn't have said that - but I think enough can be transmitted through.

Ha ha, OK, the title comes from one of Anna's t-shirts. Which has got the most hits of anything I've posted on Flickr in the past few months, it does crack me up.

The likelyhood is that the conditions under which this stuff was recorded weren't exactly ideal - not that I'd use that as an excuse

I would use that as an excuse. On other occasions, like "Lick My Decals Off" (that old chestnut), it's just sheer incompetence.

hello all, I like the thread title.

I often find shoddy production to be a real barrier to listening, perhaps because I am technically minded and can hear the fuckups. Worse though is inappropriate production, too bright and sparkly for a dark and moody or aggressive band seems to be a common crime. (too slow wrt live performance often seems to be inflicted from behind the glass as well).

Less excusable on my part is my reluctance to listen to old crackly recordings. I'm sure I miss out on a lot of great folk and blues from old Smithsonian recordings and the like because I can't listen to a whole disc of gramophone crackle and early tape hiss.

I just have one thing to say:

ARRRGGHGHGHARARRGGGGHARAAAAARRRGGGHGHGHGHGHGH

That is all.

that's sounds like how my threads end

Hey party lovers, here's a lovely psychedelic mix by the lovely Richard Norris:

http://www.theloveunlimited.com/featured/richard-norris-live-at-nash.html

You know you want to listen to it. (I don't know who did the track list, tho - Shadows of Knight is spelled wrong. :-( )

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll34/lisababy73/MetalKitty.gif

SO I was in Chicago last weekend and had a hire car, it had satellite radio which gave me the rather surreal opportunity to drive down the Kennedy Expressway listening to Annie Mac on Radio 1:

I really like this track, now:

http://www.noiseporn.com/2009/10/27/la-roux-2/

electronic music in the UK seems to have got really interesting again.

You are NOT linking to a LaRoux song, are you? Fie, Ed.

Oh, Boy 8-Bit mix. OK. I nearly had a heart attack for a minute there.

But is that a pepperoni roof?

I thought they were pink necco wafers, but, erm, if it's pepperoni... eeeeuuuwwww.

I am glad that I've now made it to the diner as this proliferation of baked good on ilx today was not sitting well with the lack of breakfast materials in the flat.

I fully expect some kind of gingerbeard aphex cupcakes by the end of the weekend.

HA HA shit didn't even notice that typo as I was posting that.

I think this is just about the hottest thing I've ever seen in my life.

Yeah, I know that I say that about every boy with a massive coccoon of synths, but seriously. I think I just came.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3302/3189335574_13ed8c4c3b_b.jpg

that *is* an EMS synthi by his shoulder, isn't it? I feel like I'm cheating on Sonic Boom's synthi, but really. Too hott.

If I don't stop looking at VCS3 and Synthi pr0n I'm gonna get hairy palms.

One of these days, I really am going to just make a bot that posts to this thread every three days, going, like... "uuuh, gingers! synth pr0n! LOOK AT THESE COOL MEGALITHS!!!" with some random pictures.

And see if anyone notices the difference.

It's getting serphisticated now though, it's claiming to get around to inventing itself at some point in the future!

it's.... it's.... ALIVE!!!

http://www.lusternia.com/images/races/megalithNexus.gif

That said, INDONESIAN OWL MEGALITHS, HOW COOL IS THAT?!?!?

http://www.sulawesi-adventure.com/images/megalith-hamboa.jpg

It has a very suspicious bulge.

What the hell is suspicious about a phallic bulge on a bloody MEGALITH?!? the whole thing's a phallic symbol.

(that said, owl penises are not something I really want to contemplate.)

find me some more RDJ synth pr0n. I know you've got to have sources, Ed.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/138/333750926_9885857297.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/151/333750924_a36bc82a47.jpg

that is an crappy laptop, not an SYNTH, Ed. x-post

I do like his anorak, tho.

give me SSSSSSSSSSYYYYYYYYYYYYYNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/19436229/Aphex+Twin+RDJ+2.jpg

This one freaks me the fuck out most of all, because every time I see it out of the corner of my eye, I think "that's me - no wait, when did I get a beard?"

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/238200/Aphex+Twin.jpg

specifically *this* photo shoot:

http://b0.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00872/01/46/872546410_l.jpg

wrong on so many levels.

So fucking bored this afternoon - though at least I got to show off my new Crystal toys to the FD when he came down to get his bike.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/7344877/Aphex+Twin+2506479898_ef6443fe72_o.jpg

he looks so... timid!

looks like a ginger mighty boosh

Has he had kids or something? Or gone on Ritalin? Because otherwise, how do you go from this:

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/28738015/Aphex+Twin.jpg

to this:

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/13550871/Aphex+Twin+aphex_twin_sept_2008.jpg

Trust me, old age alone doesn't do it.

(old age... sheeeit, he's the same age as me eeep)

he has probably done many many many many many many drugs

(and if he doesn't have kids, erm, would he like to have some? with me?)

you don't want these kids
http://www.barriomulas.com/2008/07/20/Aphex%20Twin%20-%20Come%20To%20Daddy-1.jpg

I was just coming here to post that.

instead here's a particle physics themed lolcat.

http://static.arstechnica.com/in_ur_atom_ars.jpg

I thought they were pink necco wafers, but, erm, if it's pepperoni... eeeeuuuwwww.

Necco wafers are all dusty and chalky looking. These are shiny.

You know, it's kind of creepy/weird and enticing as well at the same time, this idea of breeding with or even making out with someone who is supposed to look so much like you.

But it's not as if he hasn't thought about it.

I mean, wouldn't these kids

http://www.barriomulas.com/2008/07/20/Aphex%20Twin%20-%20Come%20To%20Daddy-1.jpg

be the logical offspring of this union?

http://i21.tinypic.com/10px012.jpg

Oh wait, is the beam going yet? I missed so much going to the pub with my boss, but it was his birthday.

OK, I really *have* seen everything now.

Cthulhonic dildo:

http://whipspiderrubberworks.com/catalog/images/tentacle1.jpg

SO WRONG. SO VERY VERY VERY VERRRRRRRRY WRONG.

(it goes without saying that I want one.)

OH GOD IN TWO VARIETIES

http://whipspiderrubberworks.com/catalog/images/jellyfish.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/138/333750926_9885857297.jpg

haw beer can indicates pic prob taken in my place of birth!

never occurred to me spontaneously the AFX = MBK8 similarity, but yes I can see it!

Cthulhonic dildo sounds like a great band name but I'm not sure for what genre. porn-prog?

Where were you born, Anatol?

there are very cuet pics of Richard camping out around a bonfire in the same Flickr set, but I can't read where it is as it's in some odd Nordic language I don't speak.

beardy Nordic bonfire sausage party rituals in the woods...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/140/333750929_e595d70bf0_b.jpg

love how everyone else is all sensibly camouflaged but Richard is all "wait, how can you make a ginger even MORE conspicuous in the woods? GIANT ORANGE ANORAK, that's how!"

apparently he has mad bonfire building skillz

Where were you born, Anatol?

Tromsø, ie 69 deg 40 min Northern latitude, sometimes wonder whether I am the northernmostborn ilxor (plenty of likely birthplaces in Norway north of it though, possibly in CAN, USA and RUS as well).

(beercan in last pic is from Sarpsborg, though.)

(where my brother was born, heh!)

Cool! I like the idea of super-far-North almost arctic circle Norway.

Guess what I forgot to do yesterday? Register with the dentist on my high street. I've been scaring myself with "pics of what my teeth looked like before cosmetic dentistry" photos...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2756/4124565674_aab35a61d1_o.jpg

It really scares me to think that I still have one of those terrible teeth, albeit chipped and slowly decaying.

Also, wow, there's some bloody cool architecture up there! I love the falling dominoes house!

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Polaria_Tromsø.jpg

and the weird mirror fish thing that's the library! awesome.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tromsø_library_-_2005-09-13.jpg

want to go there!

super-far-North almost arctic circle Norway

no "almost" even -- it's over 200 miles north of the a/c! Haven't been there myself since shortly after birth though.

ILLUMINATI FREEMASON OR NOT?!?!?!?

http://upload.drarok.com/uploads/2558-3949865963_c45d88a602_o.jpg

That is some pretty grade A serious Yoni-Magick symbolism she is rocking there. I love it.

Lets keep the cooler going.

Roll Call:

I'm here. Hello All.

Lets take this chance to talk about Jazz!