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Acording to the US Department of Education has said 850 000 out of 50 000 000 kids are home schooled. I dreamed of home schooling as a kid. What do you all think.

anthony, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think schools are much better because you need to be exposed to bullies and nasty teachers.

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Homeschooling is bad. I am Example A.

Otis Wheeler, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I can't recall precisely who, but someone notable once referred to home schooling as "the social and intellecual equivalent of inbreeding." Which is pretty much what frightens me about it -- it's traditionally been less about providing better education than about indoctrinating kids into particular belief systems that the public at large completely rejects.

I suppose I can see the impetus for it in the U.S., where there's an unfortunately justified perception of public schooling as sub-par (particularly in cities). But certainly it's possible to send your kids to an actual school and expand on that in their spare time?

Nitsuh, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A goodly portion of home schooling is done by people who just want their children to have better educations. A few of my ex girlfriend's younger sisters were home schooled for at least a while (before they were old enough to go to a magnet school in the area) because our school system wasn't meeting their needs. A philosophy professor of mine home schools his daughter, and there is a large network of support in the area, including events with other home-schooled kids that re-add a social component to their educations, and and more field trips and the sort of enrichment activities that are usually only paid lip service in public school systems.

Josh, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And anyway I suspect you're a great, if flawed, example of the positive effects of home schooling, Otie. ;)

Josh, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No. He's worrying. If I was ever thinking about home schooling my, um, cat, I guess, I wouldnt after hanging out with Otis. It'd end up a drunk Turbonegro loving cat.

Ally, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That would be the only cat in the world worth not kicking.

Kris, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No. Turbonegro has become a kickable offense.

Ally, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nitsuh has a point. I was educated at home for a number of reasons beyond my parents' control - I have Asperger's Syndrome, a mild form of autism, and my behavioural problems made it impossible for the schools to take me (the special schools which might have been there 10 years earlier had been decimated due to Thatcher's "reforms" of the education sector). But among the other parents educating their children at home, there were a quite scary number of *extremist hippies* with bonkers early 70s student philosophies of "indoctrination by the system" in schools, and kids with names like River and Leaf - most of them seemed to live in communes in West Wales. My mother generally disapproves of people *choosing* to educate their children at home, when there are no special circumstances dictating that they do, for much the same reasons as you - excessive innoculation from how the world actually is, and I can sympathise with her, in fact I probably agree.

But when a child *can't* be fitted into the school system, as was the case with me, then it probably is the best way.

Robin Carmody, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A friend and I once had a little kickboxing match in the backyard while Turbonegro was playing. Perhaps you're right.

Kris, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Robin: Yeah, in circumstances like that where a child needs some sort of specialized attention, parents (and the possible addition of a tutor) are probably the best bet. Just by nature of being "public," schools are going to be ill-equipped to deal with anything out of the ordinary.

Weirdly, in the U.S., the indoctrination element seems to be the opposite, politically. A good portion of home-schooling families seem to belong to fundamentalist religious sects. Or, I should say, fundamentalist religious sects too fringe-y to have their own private school systems. Plus people with ideological leanings, though not social ones, toward the deeply conservative, ultra-libertarian, survivalists-in-shacks culture.

All of which is to say: people who think that culture at large is somehow depraved or immoral or that the government is engaged in massively-successful brainwashing, except in the opposite political direction than you're talking about.

Nitsuh, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey Robin Me Too .

anthony, Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

All of which is to say: people who think that culture at large is somehow depraved or immoral or that the government is engaged in massively-successful brainwashing, except in the opposite political direction than you're talking about.

Sounds like a friend of mine. We were living off-campus together - he smoked up whenever possible (though making sure to exhale through the window screen, so the apartment wouldn't stink). He was against taxation, the Social Security system, and overall government influence in our daily lives. He tried calling the IRS once, and bitched out this phone operator. He wanted to avoid all governmental systems involving a SSN - loans, credit cards, banks. The farthest he actually got was to sign up for a Frequent Shoppers card under the name Lysander Spooner WITHOUT giving out his home address. ("Why do you need my address? Why do you need my phone-number? I'm not giving you my name.") And, by the way, he wanted to home-school his kinds. The fact that he mispronounced Nietzsche (as Nitch) and was arguementative to the point of ingnorant beligerence ("I know you are, but what am I?"), I didn't hold out much hope for his progeny.

However, since then, he's had a kid, and seems to have mellowed out considerably (or come under the thumb of The Man, if you want to view his struggle as something worth fighting for).

If one has the time & resources to do it up right, home schooling is hella cool. However, if one is going to submit to the public (or private) schooling arena, taking a serious interest in your kid's progress (instead of having swinger's parties and selling bagels at Ratdog shows) would be most prudent. Personally, my knowledge would be best suited as a supplement to a proper education. "No, Cornelius - John Byrne's last issue of Uncanny X-Men was #143, NOT #144. Now, go get Daddy's Velvet Underground box-set."

David Raposa, Saturday, 4 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think home schooling is a miserable idea, to answer the question seriously. It's just not good. You need to go through the school experience. Not because you're going to learn anything great - you won't academically - but because you need to go thru the experience in order to learn how to socialize properly in modern culture. I've yet to meet a home schooled person who was completely well adjusted socially (err, don't take it personal, Otis, though you already know we think you're psychopathic). It's not like going to school will be the magical answer or that social inables don't come out of public school, but it seems unfair to take your kids and give them a disadvantage from the get go.

Obviously there are special circumstances such as Robin's that you need to be home schooled. But the religious fundamentalists or the hippie weirdos who refuse to send their kids on idealogical purposes? Morons, they should have their children taken away in my opinion. Even my flaky mom gave up on the idea that she should home school her kids, she saw why it was wrong and if she can give up stubbornness so can hippies and born agains.

Ally, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two weeks pass...
I know a kid who dropped out of school "because they indocrinate you." "With what?" I asked. "I don't know, I didn't listen." "Then how do you know they're indoctrinating you?" Better safe than sorry, he thought. I wonder how many people who homeschool their kids think that way.

It's absurd to homeschool children for religious or political reasons unless you expect them to spend their entire lives in your commune. Otherwise they will grow up, go out into the world, and start thinking that the reason they were never exposed was that their parents wanted to hide something. It's much better to be with your kids when they are questioning their beliefs at a young age because you won't be there to guide them later.

If parents are very well-educated, homeschooling could be all right. The reason my mother never homeschooled us (and she's wanted to) is that she can't teach advanced sciences or Latin, and it's so much better to send kids to public school than to never let them learn.

Lyra, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
I agree with Nitsu. I don't recommend homeschooling basically because parents' have so much control and without the excuse of going to school to study (when you really going to see your boyfriend) your social life can go rot. But this isn't a problem of "homeschooling" but of the existing control parents have over their kids. They can do almost everything psychologically damaging to the kids and this is seen as parenting. On the other hand, in school the regulations on your dress, food, and behavior is regulated and watched. What we are really discussing is overzealous parents and they can not be avoided whether you are in school or out.

Putting it this way, our personality and social abilities are pretty much developed by the time we are 8 and 1/3 developed when we are 5. If a child has strict and overbearing parents that strive to shelter him in everyway, the kid will have the character that just demands abuse for most of his childhood and well into his teens. At that point, school will just surve as a psychological insane torture and home will continue to benefit this.

We need to look at parents, not at the various educational choices. With good resources and a healthy brain, everyone will learn.

Tina, Sunday, 25 August 2002 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and to add I'm a 15 year-old and though I am out of high school (in fact never attended) don't consider myself homeschooled because I am control of all my education and my activities. I take college classes (and am planning to tranfer to my state's university for next fall) and volunteer at ever dern place you can think of. This is so that I can stay out of the house basically all day and use the in between time to see my friends. As in "Dad I'm going to the college in the morning then to the library and then a meeting with ___" and I'll use the library time to see a movie or something. I have a low opinion of homeschooling, but can not think of a better lifestyle for myself. What do you all think?

Tina, Sunday, 25 August 2002 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

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PhetamineGrrrn (wins), Friday, 25 April 2014 20:15 (eleven years ago)

I read this thread title as "Home Schlong"

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 25 April 2014 20:42 (eleven years ago)

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Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 25 April 2014 20:54 (eleven years ago)


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