My complaint about ILE

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What do careless vigilantes, tyrannical ratbags, and ILE have in common? If you answered, "They all deny us the opportunity to preserve the peace," then pat yourself on the back. Without going into all the gory details, let's just say that I feel no more personal hatred for ILE than I might feel for a herd of wild animals or a cluster of poisonous reptiles. One does not hate those whose souls can exude no spiritual warmth; one pities them. I know very few vapid wild-types personally, but I know them well enough to surmise that if you don't think that ILE's effusions are definitely uncalled for, then you've missed the whole point of this letter. Please humor me for a moment while I state that if ILE can one day destroy the lives of good, honest people, then the long descent into night is sure to follow.

The funny thing is, ILE has never gotten ahead because of its hard work or innovative ideas. Rather, all of ILE's successes are due to kickbacks, bribes, black market double-dealing, outright thuggery, and unsavory political intrigue. One of the great mysteries of modern life is, Whatever happened to community standards? I once asked ILE that question -- I am still waiting for an answer. In the meantime, let me point out that if I seem a bit self-righteous, it's only because I'm trying to communicate with ILE on its own level. The problem with ILE is not that it's snotty. It's that it wants to steal our birthrights.

I was indubitably appalled when I first learned that ILE's deputies want to perpetuate myths that glorify racism. Why is that relevant to this letter? Because ILE's violent rejoinders denigrate and discard all of Western culture. ILE then blames us for that. Now there's a prizewinning example of psychological projection if I've ever seen one. Feudalism is dangerous. ILE's bloody-minded version of it is doubly so. If ILE wants to demand special treatment that, in many cases, borders on the ridiculous, fine. Just don't make me feel disconnected from reality while it's at it. To end on a more positive note: We must draw the line somewhere.

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i like drawing lines too!

gareth, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

let's talk about pies

geeta, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Some of my colleagues recommended that I write about how much of Mr. Brian MacDonald's behavior is not rationally calculated to be of benefit to the mingy weasels whom Brian claims to be trying to help. This is that post. So let's begin, quite properly, with a brief look at the historical development of the problem, of its attempted solutions, and of the eternal argument about it. Doesn't it strike you as odd that his adulators are united through ruffianism, snobbism, and Dadaism? Currently, he lacks the clout to promote the sort of behavior that would have made the folks in Sodom and Gomorrah blush. But as soon as our backs are turned, he will have enough cringers to condition the public -- or, more precisely, brainwash the public -- into believing that elitism is a be-all, end-all system that should be forcefully imposed upon us. A final word: It must be nice to live in Mr. Brian MacDonald's little world, where the sun shines, the birds chirp merrily, and reality never rears its ugly head.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

the question is i suppose, where did this come from, and what was the "search" pattern that was "replaced" by ILE?

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

*baffled look*

jel --, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Recent troubling developments prompt me to revisit a subject I've discussed in the past: Mr. Alex Posho and his plan to spew forth ignorance and prejudice. Let me start by stressing that I am not attempting to suppress anyone's opinions, nor do I intend to demean him personally for his beliefs or worldviews. But I do think that I must comment on a phenomenon that has and will continue to create a foul-mouthed, mudslinging world of guilt and shame. Despite the obvious fact that this is something that he ignores in his eagerness to shrink the so-called marketplace of ideas down to convenience- store size, Alex coins polysyllabic neologisms to make his methods of interpretation sound like they're actually important. In fact, his treatises are filled to the brim with words that have yet to appear in any accepted dictionary. There is something inherently wrong with a man who wants, more than anything else, to force us to do things or take stands against our will, pure and simple. Cannibalism has its stronghold among the worst sorts of impudent obstinate-types I've ever seen. And I can say that with a clear conscience, because one of his favorite tricks is to create a problem and then to offer the solution. Naturally, it's always his solutions that grant him the freedom to hammer a few more nails into the coffin of freedom, never the original problem. A real fight against directionless separatism can be undertaken only if a basic change in social conditions makes it possible to do something about the continuing -- make that the escalating -- effort on Alex's part to let advanced weaponry fall into the hands of predatory, randy wimps. Here, too, the exception proves the rule: The baneful nature of Alex's shell games is not just a rumor. It is a fact to which I can testify.

I don't mean to scare you, but I am entirely shocked and angered by Alex's loud, amoral improprieties. Such shameful conduct should never be repeated. Although I agree with those who feel that Alex will go to almost any extreme to prevent my message of truth from getting out, nevertheless, I cannot agree with the subject matter and attitude that is woven into every one of Alex's intrusive utterances. He likes thinking thoughts that aren't burdensome and that feel good. That's why some of the facts I'm about to present may seem shocking. This they certainly are. However, Alex has been trying for some time to convince people that we should all bear the brunt of his actions. Don't believe his hype! Alex has just been offering that line as a means to sanctify his depravity. The bulk of mindless, soulless smut peddlers are at least marginally tolerable, but not Alex. Maybe quicker than you can double-check the spelling of "sphygmomanometric", he will shred the basic compact between the people and their government. Discourteous predictions aside, this would not be an impossible scenario if his obscene jibes were to gain ascendancy in our society. Let me leave you with one last thought: The truth is not meant to be warm and fuzzy.

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I won't sugarcoat this letter. This is a very bitter letter. Small children and the faint of heart should stop reading and leave the room. So, without further ado, I present you with this all-important piece of information: Mr. Tom Ewing is reluctant to resolve problems. He always just looks the other way and hopes no one will notice that the next time he decides to trick our children into adopting unconventional, disapproved-of opinions and ways of life, he should think to himself, cui bono? -- who benefits? Take, as an example, the way that he wants to increase society's cycle of hostility and violence. Well, his statements such as ""The norm" shouldn't have to worry about how the exceptions feel" indicate that we're not all looking at the same set of facts. Fortunately, these facts are easily verifiable with a trip to the library by any open and honest individual.

If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem. To most people, the list of Mr. Ewing's dotty half-measures reads like a comic strip, but his prognoses are actually taken seriously by his legatees. All such combinations of audacity with ignorance would be supremely ridiculous but for one consideration: These classes of smarmy sluggards should be dealt with immediately. It's that simple. It's really not bloody-mindedness that compels me to guide the world into an age of peace, justice, and solidarity. It's my sense of responsibility to you, the reader. When I say that Mr. Ewing's most recent harangues are irreverent, in bad taste, and inappropriate, I consider this to mean that "Mr. Ewing" has now become part of my vocabulary. Whenever I see someone stretch credulity beyond the breaking point, I tell him or her to stop "Mr. Ewing-ing".

Letting him leave a generation of people planted in the mud of an abominable world, to begin a new life in the shadows of conformism sends a clear message to socially inept ragamuffins that they can resort to underhanded tactics. But it doesn't stop there. I have the strength, ability, desire, and courage to encourage our spirits to soar. Do you? In closing, life is too short to have to put up with Mr. Tom Ewing.

nathalie, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Writing this stems from a desperation to be heard, if not by a court of law, then by a court of public opinion. In the rest of this letter, I will use history and science (in the Hegelian sense) to prove that the antithesis of jealous gnosticism is moral, religious, and cultural solidarity among the people of a nation. Unfortunately, there is no shortage of individuals and organizations, many of whom may seem innocent at first glance, who secretly want to open the floodgates of revisionism. Mr. Brian MacDonald's solutions serve only to safeguard his own power and privilege. Now take that to the next level: It would be charitable of me not to mention that he is controlling and demanding. Fortunately, I am not beset by a spirit of false charity, so I will instead maintain that he spews nothing but lame retorts and innuendoes. But you knew that already. So let me add that when he was first found trying to devise chauvinistic scams to get money for nothing, I was scared. I was scared not only for my personal safety; I was scared for the people I love. And now that Brian is planning to deface property with racially and sexually derogatory epithets and offensive symbols, I'm truly downright terrified. Although Mr. Brian MacDonald's madness is the direct consequence of self-hatred, false assumptions about society, and stupidity, we are here to gain our voice in this world, and whether or not he approves, we will continue to be heard.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't understand. why is talking about pies and big brother a perpetuation of racist myths or detrimental to birthrights? brian if you have a prob you're gonna have to be a bit less cryptic about it, to me at least.

katie, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

come on. what's the secret of this grep-like fun? is it all off another greenspun board?

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

oh you're having an in-joke aren't you! hahah.... um probably.

katie, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Let us not delude ourselves, this issue is very important. No, Alan, we did not copy this from other boards.

nathalie, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

It is a dark and troublesome magick, that's what it is!

RickyT, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I didn't have to write a letter like this one, but recent events leave me no choice. Let me cut to the chase: Mr. Alex Posho's refrains are a mere cavil, a mere scarecrow, one of the last shifts of a desperate and dying cause. Sure, even demented losers may have some good points, but I have yet to find one. As a practical matter, his true goal is to spread hatred, animosity, and divisiveness. All the statements that his advocates make to justify or downplay that goal are only apologetics; they do nothing to drive off and disperse the domineering tyrants who marginalize and eventually even outlaw responsible critics of the most cocky anthropophagi I've ever seen. Alex's accusations deserve to be criticized because they rewrite history to reflect or magnify an imaginary "victimhood". Alex's conclusions are a vehicle for the expression of prejudice, ignorance, and enmity about people who are different from Alex. At least, that certainly seems to be the implication in several of the accounts I've heard. All that we have achieved may now be lost, if not in the bright flames of diabolism, then in the dense smoke of the pushy, militant equivocations promoted by ill-bred freebooters.

He thinks that he is the ultimate authority on what's right and what's wrong. However, we're all in this mess together. Technically, Alex is not a responsible citizen. Responsible citizens lead the way to the future, not to the past. Responsible citizens surely do not put harebrained spouters on the federal payroll. For the moment, he makes no secret of the fact that it strikes me as amusing that he complains about people who do nothing but complain. Well, news flash! Alex does nothing but complain. I will not quibble with him as to whether or not comments like that don't sit well with the most unforgiving peddlers of snake-oil remedies I've ever seen. Instead, I'll simply state that as Alex feels less and less need to conceal his smear tactics, he makes increasingly open moves towards unpleasant quislingism and leave it at that.

Don't be fooled: The fact of the matter is that his slaves believe that the purpose of life is self-gratification. Although it is perhaps impossible to change the perspective of those who have such beliefs, I wish nevertheless to debate the efficacy of his possession-obsessed biases. The underlying message is that I, hardheaded cynic that I am, really don't believe that the best way to reduce cognitive dissonance and restore homeostasis to one's psyche is to hand over the country to illiterate flibbertigibbets. So when Alex says that that's what I believe, I see how little he understands my position. Lastly, Mr. Alex Posho is so intolerantly devoted to his own prejudices that his perception of reality is totally warped.

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

s ean d lawley

spoiling the fun, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

No Gareth, wrong place.

nathalie, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

There are many devious blackguards who want to wage a clandestine guerilla war against many basic human rights. One -- Gareth -- is so foul-mouthed, he deserves special mention. I assume you already know that what I call antihumanist, pharisaism-oriented flag burners are burdened with the preconceived ideas or feeble understanding of the circles to which they previously belonged, both politically and philosophically, but I have something more important to tell you. I'm sticking out my neck a bit in talking about his harangues. It's quite likely he will try to retaliate against me for my telling you that all the deals he makes are strictly one-way. Gareth gets all the rights, and the other party gets all the obligations. (Yes, his madness is the direct consequence of self-hatred, false assumptions about society, and stupidity, but that's an entirely different story.) I have a tendency to report the more sensational things that Gareth is up to, the more shocking things, things like how he wants to deplete the ozone layer. And I realize the difficulty that the average person has in coming to grips with that, but he keeps saying that space aliens are out to lay eggs in our innards or ooze their alien hell-slime all over us. For some reason, Gareth's underlings actually believe this nonsense.

He has two imperatives. The first is to use mass organization as a system of integration and control. The second imperative is to revive the ruinous excess of a bygone era to bounce and blow amidst the ruinous excess of the present era. There's a lot of talk nowadays about Gareth's mudslinging grievances, but not much action.

Regardless of what Gareth seems to think, if stated outright, his actions would be manifestly unpopular. As I often like to put it, I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people. I can therefore assure you that someone has to be willing to deal stiffly with the most hateful wackos you'll ever see who make us all miserable. Even if it's not polite to do so. Even if it hurts a lot of people's feelings. Even if everyone else is pretending that the worst types of cynical homophobic-types I've ever seen make the best scout leaders and schoolteachers. I want to upbraid Gareth for being so petulant. But first, let me pose an abstract question. Why does Gareth have to be such a party pooper? I once asked Gareth that question -- I am still waiting for an answer. In the meantime, let me point out that Gareth has stated that two wrongs make a right. That's just pure quislingism. Well, in Gareth's case, it might be pure ignorance, seeing that I have one itsy-bitsy problem with Gareth's overgeneralizations. Videlicet, they defuse or undermine incisive critiques of his unpatriotic, anti-democratic behavior by turning them into procedural arguments about mechanisms of institutional restraint. And that's saying nothing about how if you don't think that pessimism is his main weapon and his chief means of convincing his vicegerents to move warped nihilism from the jaundiced fringe into a realm of respectability, then you've missed the whole point of this letter. Gareth operates on an international scale to replace our natural soul with an artificial one. It's only fitting, therefore, that we, too, work on an international scale, but to offer true constructive criticism -- listening to the whole issue, recognizing the problems, recognizing what is being done right, and getting involved to help remedy the problem.

His accomplices are in league with dictatorial cheapskates who destroy the natural beauty of our parks and forests, and besides, his indifference only adds to the problem. It's that simple. Out of the vast number of devastating evils for which wretched deadbeats are directly or indirectly responsible, I shall pick out only a single one which is most in keeping with the inner essence of Gareth's complacent policies: larrikinism. Gareth wants to sentence more and more people to poverty, prison, and early death. Who does he think he is? I mean, he says that he defends the real needs of the working class. Wow! Isn't that like hiding the stolen goods in the closet and, when the cops come in, standing in front of the closet door and exclaiming, "They're not in here!"? It does not require a Sherlock Holmes to prove that it's not a question of if but only of when he will terrorize our youngsters. How does he deal with this fascinating piece of information? He entirely ignores it.

Gareth wallows in his basest behavior. It's a pity. In whatever form it takes -- magazines, music, propaganda, or any other form -- his rhetoric is designed to fill the air with recrimination and rancor. Every time he tells his yes-men that he is merely trying to make this world a better place in which to live, their eyes roll into the backs of their heads as they become mindless receptacles of unsubstantiated information, which they accept without question. Unsettling as that is, the more infuriating fact is that you shouldn't let Gareth intimidate you. You shouldn't let him push you around. We're the ones who are right, not Gareth. The only way out of Gareth's rat maze is to lead us all toward a better, brighter future. It's that simple.

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The topic I want to cover in this letter is big and complex, and I don't have much in the way of scientific data on it. Nor do I have a lot of hard statistics, just a number of general observations and a good bit of specific anecdotal material. In the text that follows, when I quote from Katie, I will use the word "excrement" in place of another word which is now apparently permitted in general circulation publications, and which I have edited out. Let me carry my thoughts on this subject a bit further. Time cannot change her behavior. Time merely enlarges the field in which Katie can, with ever-increasing intensity and thoroughness, propitiate foul-mouthed stool pigeons for later eventualities. Katie, does the word "interparenthetically" mean anything to you?

She masterminded last year's now-infamous attempt to discredit and intimidate the opposition. What's my problem, then? Allow me to present it in the form of a question: Why aren't our children being warned about her in school? Well, I asked the question, so I should answer it. Let me start by saying that she is indisputably up to something. I don't know exactly what, but I am convinced that there will be a strong effort on Katie's part to put our liberties at risk by an antihumanist and splenetic rush to exhibit a deep disdain for all people who are not mindless hackers sometime soon. This effort will be disguised, of course. It will be cloaked in deceit, as such efforts always are. That's why I'm informing you that Katie is the picture of the insane person on the street, babbling to a tree, a wall, or a cloud, which cannot and does not respond to her "compromises". Similarly, I must part company with many of my peers when it comes to understanding why Katie's proposed social programs prove that she did little to no research before concluding that she is the one who will lead us to our great shining future. My peers feel that one can predict on empirical grounds that before the year is over she will suck up to unruly, callous fanatics. While this is honestly true, I insist we must add that any claim to the contrary is patently false. Let me recap that for you, because it really is extraordinarily important: We are at a crossroads. One road leads into the light of a bright, shining future in which illiterate lunkheads like Katie are entirely absent. The other road leads into the darkness of Pyrrhonism. The question, therefore, is: Who's driving the bus? After days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conclusion that there's something fishy about Katie's maneuvers. I, not being one of the many semi-intelligible personæ non gratæ of this world, think she's up to something, something ultra-anti-democratic and perhaps even credentialism-prone. We should note, of course, that what I've written about Katie doesn't prove anything in itself. It's only suggestive, but it does make a good point that that's just one side of the coin. The other side is that Katie does not tolerate any view that differs from her own. Rather, she discredits and discards those people who contradict her along with the ideas that they represent. Let me conclude by saying that we who want to provide an antidote to contemporary manifestations of foul vigilantism will not rest until we do.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Picture if you will...

The setting...the Internet The date...1997

bc, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

do me! DO ME!

Alang, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

What I offer here is an involved yet detached look at Mr. Alan Trewartha's excuses. Perhaps time, further study, and more reflection will either modify or enrich the analysis offered here, but the insufferable, uncontrollable twerps who collaborate with Mr. Trewartha should be spat upon -- or worse -- for their lack of integrity. And that's why I feel compelled to say something about wicked, out-of-touch urban guerrillas. Now, I am all for freedom of speech, but I once managed to get him to agree that his inveracities are somewhere between a scam and a sham. Unfortunately, a few minutes later, he did a volte-face and denied that he had ever said that. I am on an important mission to stand up and fight for our heritage, traditions, and values. If I don't accomplish that mission, his plans to grasp at straws, trying to find increasingly pea-brained ways to demand special treatment that, in many cases, borders on the ridiculous could well succeed. The end.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I, for one, feel that there are better ways in which to disseminate the following information, but this letter will have to suffice. To plunge right into it, if Jel can't stand the heat, he should get out of the kitchen. I might add: His arguments would be a lot more effective if they were at least accurate or intelligent, not just a load of bull for the sake of being controversial. Jel says that human beings should be appraised by the number of things and the amount of money they possess instead of by their internal value and achievements. What he means by this, of course, is that he wants free reign to enact new laws forcing anyone who's not one of his hirelings to live in an environment that can, at best, be described as contemptuously tolerant. He tries to make us think the way he wants us to think, not by showing us evidence and reasoning with us, but by understanding how to push our emotional buttons. Don't give Jel's scribblings a credibility they don't deserve.

Every time Jel gets caught trying to adopt approaches that have not been tested to try to solve problems that have not been well-defined, he promises he'll never do so again. Subsequently, his supporters always jump in and explain that he really shouldn't be blamed even if he does, because, as they maintain, he can ignore rules, laws, and protocol without repercussion. He argues that I am disgraceful for wanting to defy the international enslavement of entire peoples. I should point out that this is almost the same argument that was made against Copernicus and Galileo almost half a millennium ago. In particular, Jel believes that women are crazed Pavlovian sex-dogs who will salivate at any object even remotely phallic in shape. The real damage that this belief causes actually has nothing to do with the belief itself, but with psychology, human nature, and the skillful psychological manipulation of that nature by Jel and his quixotic sycophants. One might suspect that his collaborators have shared the rostrum with imprudent turncoats at recent symposia. While that's true, it does somewhat miss the point. You see, once people obtain the critical skills that enable them to think and reflect and speculate independently, they'll realize that Jel's effrontive tracts are in full flower, and their poisonous petals of obscurantism are blooming all around us.

In the past, I've said that whenever Jel gives a speech, he is always careful to sidestep the issue of how in this era of rising McCarthyism, we must challenge him to defend his musings or else to change them. Were I to make such a generalization today, it would contain a few "weasel words" -- an escape hatch or that indispensable cliche that it's unmistakably time to put up or shut up. But because I wish malicious half-wits like his peons would quit whining and try doing some honest work for a change, I am not ready to retract my conviction or to recant error. It's not just that Jel must have known that his philosophies would cause high levels of outrage and would generate many letters in response (like this one), but also that his eccentricity is surpassed only by his vanity. And Jel's vanity is surpassed only by his empty theorizing. (Remember his theory that every featherless biped, regardless of intelligence, personal achievement, moral character, sense of responsibility, or sanity, should be given the power to poke someone's eyes out?) And there you have it. Scrutinizing Jel's epithets may be instructive in this regard.

jel --, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

By now everyone should have heard about Mr. Richard Tunnicliffe and his violent convictions. In case you haven't heard or have even forgotten, allow me to refresh your memory. But first, I'm going to jump ahead a bit and talk in general terms about how it is appalling to me that Richard has managed to reap a harvest of death. Then, I'll back up and fill in some of the details. Okay, so to start with the general stuff, he wants all of us to believe that those who disagree with him should be cast into the outer darkness, should be shunned, should starve. That's why he sponsors brainwashing in the schools, brainwashing by the government, brainwashing statements made to us by politicians, entertainers, and sports stars, and brainwashing by the big advertisers and the news media. I stand by what I've written before, that if he got his way, he'd be able to let advanced weaponry fall into the hands of the worst classes of repressive politically incorrect-types I've ever seen. Brrrr! It sends chills down my spine just thinking about that. While this country still has far to go before people are truly judged on the content of their character, either Richard has no real conception of the sweep of history, or he is merely intent on winning some debating pin by trying to pierce a hole in my logic with "facts" that are taken out of context. Even if one is opposed to nasty, unpatriotic favoritism (and I am), then surely, if he wants to complain, he should have an argument. He shouldn't just throw out the word "scientificoreligious", for example, and expect us to be scared. It's really astounding that Richard has somehow found a way to work the words "historicocabbalistical" and "anthrohopobiological" into his tactics. However, you may find it even more astounding that he can't possibly believe that the Queen of England heads up the international drug cartel. He's stupid, but he's not that stupid.

Why does he want to nourish sexist, stingy ideologies? Because there is no honor in his credos. That's not the only reason, of course, but I'll get to the other reasons later. As our society continues to unravel, more and more people will be grasping for straws, grasping for something to hold onto, grasping for something that promises to give them the sense of security and certainty that they so desperately need. These are the kinds of people Richard preys upon. It is reasonable to infer that his ebullitions are as appealing as braces, acne, and a wooden leg at the senior prom. More than that, his compeers argue that the average working-class person can't see through his chicanery. These are the same blathering rascals who make alarmism socially acceptable. This is no coincidence; Richard can fool some of the people all of the time. He can fool all of the people some of the time. But he can't fool all of the people all of the time. If natural selection indeed works by removing the weakest and most genetically unfit members of a species, then Richard is clearly going to be the first to go. Now that this letter has come to an end, I decidedly hope you walk away from it realizing that I've been rolling up my sleeves in preparation for a long, hard battle against stuck-up troglodytes

Sam, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

ILM has had its say, and this is mine. I would like to start by discussing ILM's effusions, mainly because they scare me. The thing I'm the most frightened about is that I'm sure ILM wouldn't want me to eavesdrop on its secret meetings. So why does it want to shrink the so-called marketplace of ideas down to convenience-store size? Well, while you're deliberating over that, let me ask you another question: When it looks in the mirror in the morning, does ILM see more than the same, flippant face that all profligate troglodytes share? Now, not to bombard you with too many questions, but I am deliberately using colorful language in this letter. I am deliberately using provocative phrases that I hope will stick in the minds of my readers. I do ensure, however, that my words are always appropriate and accurate and clearly explain how in a tacit concession of defeat, ILM is now openly calling for the abridgment of various freedoms to accomplish coercively what its useless self- fulfilling prophecies have failed at. ILM doesn't want equal time. ILM doesn't want pluralism. ILM just wants to popularize a genre of music whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge iconoclastic flimflammers to confuse the catastrophic power of state fascism with the repression of an authoritarian government in our minds.

The problem with ILM is not that it's vapid. It's that it wants to make my stomach turn. ILM keeps saying that the sun rises just for it. For some reason, ILM's mercenaries actually believe this nonsense. The recent outrage at ILM's litanies may point to a brighter future. For now, however, I must leave you knowing that no clear-thinking individual would have the temerity to tear down all theoretical frameworks for addressing the issue.

jel --, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's rap about Mr. Ah be baaad... Alex Posho's maneuvers. Let's rap about dem in some very specific and sucka'al way. Slap mah fro! ah' wanna share dis wid ya' cuz' I dink dis be tragic. Let me recap dat fo' ya', cuz' it really be extrao'dinarily impo'tant, dig dis: Alex appears t'gots' found some new tool t'use t'help him put da damn most jaded sensualists ya''ll eva' see on de federal payroll. Dat tool be jujuism, and if ya' watch him wield it, ya''ll undoubtedly see why only drough educashun kin individuals gain de independent tools dey need t'fo'ce him into early retirement. But da damn fust step be to acknowledge dat Alex's solushuns are indistin'uishable fum de ones he condemns. But dere's de rub; we should agree on definishuns befo'e sayin' anydin' furda' about Alex's randy invectives. Fo' starters, let's say dat "nihilism" be "dat which makes Alex yearn t'disto't and trivialize da damn debate surroundin' diabolism. 'S coo', bro." It be impo'tant t'differentiate between de most splenetic louts ya''ll eva' see and stinkin' twerps who, in some variety uh ways, gots' been lured by Alex's irascible edics, o' who gots' ended down wittin'ly o' unwittin'ly in coalishuns wid Alex's funcshunaries, o' who maintain contact wid Alex as part uh serious and legitimate research. He kin blame me fo' de influx uh rapacious unbridled-types if it makes him feel better, but it won't help his cause any. Slap mah fro! He likess t'puh'petuate mah'ds dat glo'ify despotism. 'S coo', bro. Such activity kin flourish only in de dark, however. Ah be baaad... If ya' drag it into de open, Alex and his subo'dinates gots'ta run fo' cover, likes cockroaches in some dirty kitchen when de light be turned on suddenly durin' de night. Dat's why we must provide ya' wid vital info'mashun which Alex gots'ta gone t'great lengds t'prevent ya' fum discoverin'.

De facts are in, dig dis: De best gauge uh de value uh my attitudes, de sincerity uh my convicshuns, and da damn fo'ce uh my gots'ta is de hostility ah' receive fum socially inept adolescents

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

*pouts* want to know secret. no fair. is there a random USENET argument perpeptuator applet somewhere? don't let momus find it.

Alan T, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

While there are probably a lot of guys out there who would be quite content never to read another letter about Jel, fer shure, the intent of this letter is certainly not hatred, like, wow, but a probin' look into an obviously significant issue. Instead of focusin' on why Jel deserves to be punished, like, wow, I would like to remind guys that Jel's vassals tend to fall into thuh mistaken belief that violence and prejudice are funny, like, wow, mainly because they live inside a Jel-generated illusion-world and talk only with each other. Like, ya know, this is not thuh same as sayin' that my expositions are clearly in defense of decency and human dignity and violate nobody's rights, oh, baby, although that, fer shure, too, mostly, is true. As we don our battle fatigues, mostly, let's at least be clear about what we're fightin' for: Our war is not about reducin' thuh deficit, fer shure, not about endin' welfare for thuh rich, mostly, and not about thuh largesse or responsibility of private philanthropy. All we want is like, ya know, for his secret police not to drag everythin' that is truly awesum into thuh gutter. If I seem a bit immoral, fer shure, it's only because I'm tryin' to communicate with Jel on his own level. Just because two- faced corporatism exists and has for a long time, man, there is no reason for us to accept it from that dude.

Let me move now from thuh abstract to thuh concrete. That is, mostly, let me give you a (mercifully) few examples of his outrageous ineptitude. For starters, mostly, I am convinced that there will be like wow! a strong effort on Jel's part to infantilize and corrupt thuh public in a lustrum or two. Like, ya know, this effort will be disguised, oh, baby, of course. It will be ya know, like, cloaked in deceit, man, as such efforts always are. That's why I'm informin' you that Jel and his legatees are, oh, baby, by nature, like, lascivious flakes. Not only can that nature not be changed by window-dressin' or persiflage, like, but I want nothin' more -- or less -- than to chastise Jel for not doin' any research before spoutin' off. To that task I have consecrated my life, mostly, and I invite you to do likewise.

Like, ya know, this march into sex-crazed phallocentrism is not happenin' by mere chance. It is like wow! not, fer shure, as many eccentric chiselers insist, fer shure, the result of thuh natural, fer shure, inevitable course of thin's. It is ya know, like, happenin' as a direct result of Jel's insensitive methods of interpretation. Even Jel's disciples don't care much for his political objectives; they simply wish to associate with other loquacious nutcases and hurt guys's feelin's. To recap thuh main points made in this letter: 1) a desire to wear a cloak of status and prestige is the only explanation for Jel's otherwise inexplicable behavior, mostly, 2) it's time for that dude to face thuh music, like, wow, and 3) it's amazin' how low he will stoop to promote thuh licentious whin'es of anal-retentive boors.

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Effter heereeng Elun Trooertha sey thet funeteecism is a nuble-a guel, I felt thet sumeune-a needed tu vreete-a a deessenting oopeeniun. I urge-a yuoo tu reed zee text thet fulloos cereffoolly, keepeeng un oopee meend, frum zee begeenning tu zee ind, und veethuoot skeepping eruoond. I foorzeer recummend thet yuoo teke-a breeks, es muny ooff zee fects presented veell teke-a teeme-a tu deegest. Ve-a moost reeenfigurete-a oooor cullecteefe-a cummeetment tu booeelding und meeenteining a senseetife-a, tulerunt, und hoomune- a cummooneety. Tu du unytheeng ilse-a, und I du meun unytheeng ilse- a, is a cumplete-a veste-a ooff teeme-a. Su yuoo see-a, Elun Trooertha gues ga-ga fur uny type-a ooff mercunteleesm yuoo cun theenk ooff.

Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Rather than engage in uh point-by-point response ta da textual interpretation o' Brian Mac'sideals, I wants ta respond ta da mo' general issue at hand. As uh preliminary, I wants ta mention uh bit about tyrannical cutthroats such as Brian Mac. "Brian Mac" has now become part o' muh ma fuckin vocabulary. Whenever I see someone abandon da idea o' universal principles an' focus illegitimately on da particular, I tell him or her ta stop "Brian Mac-ing". If ya dig' dat dis here iz clear ta every knowledgeable observer, then ya can comprehend dat he spouts da same bile in everything he writes, making only slight modifications ta suit da issue at hand. The issue he'sexcited about dis here week iz mercantalism, which says ta me dat Brian Mac don' wants us ta know about his plans ta violate strongly held principles regarding deferral o' current satisfaction fo' long- term gains. Otherwise, we's might do somethin' about dat.

While deez incidents may seem minor, if ya th'o't dat dis here iz humorous or exaggerated, you wrong. Brian Mac should git uh life an' stay out o' mine. The destruction o' da Tower o' Babel, be it uh literal truth, an allegory, or uh mere story based upon cultural archetypes, illustrates dis here truth plainly. When he hears anyone say dat he subordinates rationality in decision making, his answer iz ta ignore compromise an' focus solely on his personal agenda. That'ssimilar ta taking uh few drunken swings at uh beehive: it just makes me wants even mo' ta shoo him away like da annoying bug dat he iz.

Shabby oligarchism iz da shadow cast on society by his rodomontades, an' as long as dis here iz so, da attenuation o' da shadow will not change da substance. Brian Mac'sblanket statements deserve ta be criticized cuz dey replicate da most whiney structures o' contemporary life. Brian Mac'sattempts ta destroy our youths' ability ta relax, reflect, study, an' meditate iz much worse than mere tribalism. They iz hurtful, malicious, criminal behavior an' deserve nuttin' less than our collective condemnation. It iz nahh news dat if we's don' fight scurrility an' slander right now, then Brian Mac'swhinges will soon start ta metastasize until dey perpetuate myths dat glorify hedonism. I could be wrong about any or all o' dis here, but at da moment, da above fits what I know o' history, peeps, an' current conditions. If anyone sees anythin' wrong or has some new facts or theories on dis here, I'd love ta hear about dem. Ya' know what I'm sayin'?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Be forewarned: In this letter, Mr. T will be as harsh as truth and as uncompromising as justice. You got a problem with that? Let's review the crazy errors in Sam's statements in order. Yeah.. I think I can rig something up... First, it would be a mistake to believe that courtesy and manners don't count for anything. What you talkin' 'bout, fool!?! In plain, simple-to-understand English, anyone who hasn't been living in a cave with his eyes shut and his ears plugged knows that one of his favorite tricks gunna be to create a problem and then to offer the darn solution. I pity the fool! Naturally, it's always his solutions that grant him the crazy freedom to place stumbling blocks in front of those of us who seek value and fulfilment in our personal and professional lives, never the crazy original problem. You got a problem with that? Not to belabor the crazy point, but the crazy T don't need to be a rocket scientist to detect the darn subtext of this letter. I pity the fool! But just in case it's too subliminal for some, let T thrust it into the crazy Tr face right here: A great many of us don't want Sam to attack everyone else's sentiments. Fool! But we feel a prodigious societal pressure to smile, to be nice, and not to object to his shabby, complacent proposed social programs. Fool!

T., Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I is not short on words, so please bear with duh length uv this lettuh. Befouh Ah start, howevuh, Ah ortta state that tuh understand what Brian MacDonald's particularly disrespectful form uv mandarinism has encompassd as ah movement and as ah system uv rule, we got tuh look at its historical context and development as ah form uv iconoclastic politics that first arose in early twentieth-century Europe in response tuh rapid social upheaval, duh devastashun uv World War Ah, and duh Bolshevik Revolushun. Alright, enough uv that. Now let's talk about somethin else. Let's talk about how he would got us believe that duh kids on duh playground is happy tuh surrenduh tuh duh school bully. Yeah, right. Ah, hardheadd cynic that Ah is, must truly reach out even tuh mah most ostrich-like readers and show them how I, not bein one uv duh many insidyus grizzlers uv this world, is astonishd by how little integrity and good judgment he possesses. And if that seems like ah modest claim, Ah disagree. It's duh most radical claim uv all.

Is this anythin othuh then lascivyus colonialism? Duh answuh is obvyus if y'all happen tuh notice that Brian's principles is not pedantic treatises expressin theories ore extravaganzas dealin in fables ore fancies. They is substanshul, sobuh outpourins from duh right soul uv extremism. If, today, duh urge uv Brian's war-soul c'n prompt him tuh demand special treatment that, in many cases, borders on duh ridiculous, then imagine, if y'all c'n, how that same soul will express itself through duh thousandfold-more-bad-temperd Brian uv tomorrer. Ah undoubtedly hope that duh truth will prevail and that justice will be servd befouh Brian does any right damage. Ore is it already besides late? Well, while you is deliberatin ovuh that, let me ask y'all anothuh quesshun: Whatevuh happend tuh community standards? Now, not tuh bombard y'all with besides many quesshuns, but from secret-handshake societies meetin at duh usual place tuh back-door admissions committees, Brian's hangers-on got always found ah way tuh break down our communities. Aftuh havin read this, y'all may think that we is becomin ah nashun uv jadd inrates. Nevertheless, y'all ortta always remembuh that Brian MacDonald's biases is about as useful tuh society as ah hundrd deutsche marks wuz in 1923 Germany.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I JUST WANNA SAY ONE THING, L1KE: SAMZ METHODZ OF 1NTURPRETASHUN R A PARODY UV ORIGINAL THOUGHT, TO PLUNGE R1GHT INTO IT. 2 BEL1EVE THAT 75 MILION YEARZ AGO. A GALACT1C TYRANT NA1MD XENU SOLVED THE OVURPOPULASHUN PROBLUM UV HIZ 76-PLANET FEDURASHUN BY TRANSPORTING THE EXCESZ D00DZ 2 EARTH. CHANE1NG THUM 2 VOLCANOES. + DROPPING H- BOMBZ ON THUM IZ TO DECE1VE OURSELVES, HIZ ARGUMENTZ ARE FUL UV HAIR- SPL1TTING. LAWYUR-LA1K QUIBBL1NG. + REFURENCEZ TO OBSCURE AUTHORITIES, THAT PROVEZ THAT THE LAW 1Z NOT JUST A MORAL STANCE, IT IZ THE CONSENSUZ OF SOC1ETY ON OUR MINIMUM STANDARDZ OF BEHAV1OR!

SAM WANTZ TO SUBSTITUTE RUMOR + GOSSIP 4 BONA F1DE EVIDENCE, WHATZ RONG WITH THAT?!?1?!? WHATZ RONG 1Z SAMZ GOSSA1MR GRASP UV REALITY. WHO IZ HE 2 DEC1DE WUT IZ MORALY ACCEPTABLE 4 UZ AND WUT IZ NOT?!? 1?!? TO B SHUR. HE CH00SEZ TO 1GNORE THE FACT THAT HIZ KRIT1CISMZ ARE COLORED BY A SYCOPHANTIC ADORASHUN UV MAO1SM. BUT IF HE TH1NKZ THAT THINGZ GOT NEVUR BEEN BETTUR. THEN 1TZ OBV1OUZ WHY HE THINKZ THAT HE CAN IGNORE ROOLS. LAWS. + PROTOCOL W1THOUT REPURCUSSION! THATZ AL IM GO1NG 2 SAY IN TH1S LETTUR. BECAUSE IF 1 WURE 2 RITE ETOTALLYTHING 1 WANNA RITE. ID B HEAR AL NITE.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

HE HE HE HE HE this is a rum rumpus why kind sir the spleen eject appears to be my holy aunt formulated from quadrille of Carlyle and half a mo of Hazlitt with a sprinkling of Thompson "Gentleman" Jim ooh he was a fine 'un and Waldo P Emerson Jones great soothsayer tallyman of old TALLY ME BANANAS as could sing in old pre-racialist days by that stalwart troubadour Dickie Belafonte Valentine before the racialism you see and you could chuckle and chortle at Love Thy Neighbour ooh they got into some right royal scrapes with a pound of pork and a mere sapling of Johnny Appleseed for to demonstrably demolish ongoing onslaught of tactile theory which is espoused on pages of this engaging online saloon of chat rather like Hubert Unk and his Troll Free Saloon well I must say it's very philanthropic of philosophy for him to let trolls come in without paying admission fee at gate I have always said that it would improve the quality of said boards upon which I inscribe inst for you do have your troublemakers tarmacadamising the tried and tested troubadour trail which we fellow journeymen must follow faithfully to reach golden goal speaking of which those cheats Korea out of game should be sprinkled with Rock Salt and served up in pizza palaces in Plaistow not to mention Pollards Hill and d'you know I saw that Rock Salt once came out of Romford Regal Rex crepulscular creased corduroys he had on must have had Malcolm Misfortune in Gerald Gents I must say like playing Cecil Clarinet but I said to Rock Salt as was dear man wouldn't have minded five decades previously look here kind sir and look to your heart but he thought I were going to shoot the soldier of solitary solace Schopenhauer now there was another scamp do not trust janitors that's what I said to Janitor Jack who was a right jackanapes worse than Paul Prout of the Fifth fellow me don but must have broad standards of receptiveness for all creeds and races yet alone beliefs for this board cannot stand without support why it'll get troll woodworm and all posters bump their heads hard on way down ergo haemorrhage terrible job for cleaners wouldn't wish it on Wimbledon Wanderers who have now wandered far away to Keen Milton very nice town only 54 miles away from train station and you go down this crazy paving ramblers' path only have to cross seven motorways only been crushed by Eddie Stobart once and even then felt more like an ice cream van servicing country of Ireland oh the blood on the sorry shamrock it will not bleach out in due course with Ariel Futur of Peace Processing so we must avoid said blood inlets on this board for it is unkind and unnecessary for below stairs whisperings of a mock- postmodernist cant to plagiarise our children for it is OUR CHILDREN for whom we should be maintaining this board because after all we all have to walk the long plank of life avast me hearties who nicked my cravat you devious devil of the seaways and once all drowned and consumed by sharks of Satan there must be new boys and girls to replace us I have always said that these kids are the future although d'you know I went for a breezy pollen-filled stroll through Turn 'Em Green at Wendy Weekend and these flipping miscreant kids I would have liked to have turned them green I can tell you with the trusty aid of my Dulux Glow-in-the-Dark Lime Green Paint at least I think that's what it is it says Caustic Lime on front but must be because I got it from Robert Cameron Dyas shop and thus it causta fortune HE HE jolly japes to ward off jackanapes anyway that there Kant he was critic of pure raisins which I understand as always get stuck in me throat but then he says to me Wally he says for is my name said nomenclature he said I Kant put on green socks they are unlucky so I said to Manny Kant got nice laundry on Wandsworth Bridge Road good shade of puce on old newspapers Sketch Daily Herald I said with my magic Cost-A-Lot Lime Paint I shall paint your feet and you shall never have to wear socks again and do you know he didn't 'cos he had no feet left for some strange reason he must have remembered my September Love HE HE what a woolsack of a way to wander anyway Lock Josie he come from Ireland except was not him for would not pay Tommy Taxes would not even pay for his round in the Old Sergeant steady on is pub as is family show and we must not forget that this is family board all mums and dads plus kids curl up athwart computer of a frosty eve with cup of cocoa one between them as war ethic uneradicable and survey with glee the goings on in our askew world so we owe it to offspring to convey sense of civic civility as manners cost nothing unlike telephone bills engendered by use of said computer as are unpayable therefore friendly family now condemned to workhouse now called call centre and have to put hand up to go to toilet and if more than three seconds in smallest room are garrotted with big pointy stick as used by Johnny Craddock when tasting wines of which he sampled many Stratford Villas shop always bereft of booze which is not handy when planning a weekend ten purple rottweilers she had and only five of them C of E well I never no point purloining milk from a handy pavement establishment in EC4 of a Saturday as is Sammy Shut thus must eat inedible pasta in Barbican caff of old before proceeding to City Road I saw no weasels popping or otherwise a great shame but there was McDonald's afront the Victoria Beckham Miro Gallery so I popped in and advised them as are up and down the City Road must conjure up area specific burgers containing elements of weasel and the rate they rudely booted me out got me to Angel in five seconds so can't complain really saved a pound on the 43 bus but Islington populus equally unreceptive of wanton plan walked into trendy Pitched Piano ristorante and unveiled my glorious weasel meal concept to large bowtie gentleman at door all of a sudden found myself in Seven Sisters when I landed so went to Rose Red Club expected her to sing Brrr Brrr Busy Line but no it was only old hairy chaps tuning up it was a provincial local orchestra by the looks of things the London Improvers Orchestra it said here which I thought was very considerate for losers of life must have chance to improve and some of these musicians certainly looked like winos from Lincolns Inn gutter I can tell you but I thought maybe it is keep fit you jog up and down to top tunes of the day so I asked bandmaster to play Don't Let The Stars Get In Your Eyes and heavens above there were stars in my eyes when I regained consciousness was on crowded hill in countryside with lots of brass bands and "pop" ensembles must be a rural car boot sale I thought still jolly large one and there were lots of sumptuous tents thought I might go in and sip a welcome sip of camomile tea and contribute Pestle & Mortar items to raffle which was doubtless proceeding and on the front of the tent it said Tom Paulin and that got my tail wagging as he is a right old saucy stirrer on the television looking forward to his acidic tongues and comments on relevant issues of the day but got inside could not see him anywhere nor tea camomile or otherwise for that matter but there was a gay little pop group playing some jauntily melodic tunes rather like Billy J Kramer Dakotas which was most refreshing if not quite David Whitfield glories of old so no need for weasel meal succumbed to peaceful life standards and that is what we all must do if we are not to impale ourselves upon upward staring spears of indifference and macadamised abuse as mentioned above and indeed Rolf Harris old friend of old always see him at garden centre next to Earl's Court Cop Shop very kindly got me a thermos brew containing tea camomile flavouring and otherwise so that must be a lesson to all in subject only.

Walter Benjamin, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

As much as some people may disagree with the following observations, http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/eye.jpg stand firmly by them. Goddamn! http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/eye.jpg realize that some of U may not know the particular background details of the events http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/eye.jpg M referring 2. Unh! http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/eye.jpg M not going 2 go into those details here, but U can read up on them elsewhere. HOUSEQUAKE!

This is not the same as saying that the passage of time will make it clear 2 even the more slow among us that Alex's jeremiads R simply the result of vested interests striking back at a group whose actions in support of religious freedom, social reform, N government accountability have cut thru those vested interests, although that, 2, is true. YAAAAAAAA! Just 2 add a little more perspective, oh! http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/eye.jpg M tired of hearing or reading that children should get into cars with strangers who wave lots of yummy candy at them. OOOW! U know that that is simply not true. http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/eye.jpg don't know if http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/eye.jpg speak 4 anybody but myself on this, unh! but Alex has convinced a lot of people that the laws of nature don't apply 2 him. 1 must pause in admiration at this triumph of media manipulation. *SMACK* *SMACK* The moral of the story: Under different circumstances, Alex's stooges might have ended up as bloodthirsty vigilantes drifting the streets -- deranged heretics pressing tracts crammed with conspiracies in 2 the palms of startled passersby.

And when U call up that shrink in Beverly Hills...

St. Brian "M", Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I say FUCK

Queen of the Porches Leaving Their Men Club G, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

You people are really fucked up.

Ally, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

SAD STORY: ONE TIME THERE WAS THIS MAN, AND HE OWNED HIS FAVORITE DOG IN THE WORLD. THEY WERE THE BEST OF FRIENDS. THEN THEY DIED.

Mandee, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

It was hilarious to begin with, truly.

Gordon, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you're all going up your own arses.

whatthef**k?, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
roundtable

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

To this thread I say: Bravo!

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

don't let momus find it.

Where is it? Where is it?

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

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Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

taken from the new "Momus raps the Aenead" album on Def Jam.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

you missed an e

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

never thought i'd be saying that to Ronan!

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

::SWOONS::

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

*sniggers*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh hang on, that was Momus, talking in Romus? ::UNSWOONS AND SICKS UP::

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

there there, pats kate's back.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

See, Dave, you have to get your colleague to show me photos of Spivey Goodness to help me recover.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is the most brilliant thing I've ever read online. It has increased in brilliance with the recent "Kate got swoony over Latin only to find out it was not her historian guy but rather Momus who went on in that ancient Romantic language" post.

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

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cybele (cybele), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

UNSWOONS AND SICKS UP

Just be sure you keep events in that sequence, Kate, otherwise you'll end up the next Jimi Hendrix.

(That's a literal translation of et hendrerit Kate tellus nec dronus historia.)

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Re all of the above: Yes, Gareth is a tedious knobhound with delusions of hipsterdom, but that's no reason to stop visiting what is otherwise an entertaining and compelling forum.

drgdfgdf, Friday, 5 August 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

can you point me in the direction of this forum you mention?

edmcmahon, Friday, 5 August 2005 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

well, i've not met gareth, but he has pensively attractive photos and i enjoy his comments. what's a knobhound?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 5 August 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

gareth is not REALLY a knobhound

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Saturday, 6 August 2005 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

my complaint about ILE:

NOT ENOUGH TITS

that is all

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 6 August 2005 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

true, but the few tits there are, are splendid

mookieproof (mookieproof), Saturday, 6 August 2005 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

http://216.239.54.9/img/112/2879/640/030403%20075.jpg

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 August 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

How dare anybody suggest that some people behave like utter cunts on here.

Anti-Pope Consortium (noodle vague), Saturday, 6 August 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

There are two ways of reading that - suggest that it is the case that, or suggest that some people should behave like cunts.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 6 August 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

I can't deny I frequently talk shit. I hope I do it out of passion. There seem to be a lot of outright hateful motherfuckers round here lately.

Anti-Pope Consortium (noodle vague), Saturday, 6 August 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago)


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