this run of five recentish sub-par scorsese films (casino excepted because rad)

kind lost his way there for a minute didnt he

uh where's his subpar Oscar remake

I remember catching Kundun on telly a few years ago and thinking it was decent. The Aviator is a bit of an unfocused sprawl, but there's stuff to enjoy in it.

not sure what yr talkin abt morbs

Logical fault here is assuming that he was par to begin with.

departed wld run away w/ this, glad it was left out

voted aviator

you know, Joe, his overlong bastardization of Infernal Affairs.

his good films since Goodfellas:

The Age of Innocence
A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies
Kundun
My Voyage to Italy

Most looking forward to his doc on British film history.

i really have no idea why u hate the departed so much bill when its so insanely AMAZING and AWESOME and TOTALLY BETTER THAN INFERNAL AFFAIRS

but anyway clearly this thread is not abt the departed or shutter island which looks also totally BOMB

partly because its 3 stars are over the hill (DiC, Jack) and never-was (Damon)

who gives a fuck about actors in the year 2009 tbh?~?~

dicaprio fn peaked in the departed imo - nicholson not so much

no one now that James Cameron has replaced/augmented them

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Departed is inflated vaudeville

but anyway lets talk abt the sucky films on hand - fuckin bringing out the dead wallows in so much second rate crap its actually hard to believe its scorsese and not some music video directors first shot at a feature

age of innocence purports to immerse you in olde time ny high society then spends the whole time explaining it to you via voice over - annoying!

Most looking forward to his doc on British film history.

Didn't know about this, no mention on imdb. When's it due?

kundun is some wooden boring bullshit

Age of Innocence & Kundun easily the class of this field, voted AofI

gangs of ny is totally fun and easily the best movie here - complete flailing mess tho

too bad Dalai Lama didn't kneecap some guys w/ a baseball bat to keep icey entertained

the aviator is like kundun except abt a crazy airplane builder instead of the dali lama

"that would be most good, newland. most good."

gangs of ny is totally fun and easily the best movie here - complete flailing mess tho

^^^

People hating on The Departed get me so mad! >:O

Gangs. Easily.

its really not abt entertainment - kundun just falls into the trap of like every biopic ever - basically yr not going to tell someones life just by presenting the major facts

looooove the way Winona says "Nyewland"

age of innocence couldve been cool if it was like 5 hours long and had no narration

I remember thinking Kundun was okay. Bringing Out The Dead is my fave here by a long distance. I think I may like Scorsese when he's at his least Scorsese.

obligatory "kundun! i liked it!"

infernal affairs wasn't really that good morbs

i mean it was good, but not THAT good. the scene where the two agents discover each other's identities is way better in IA but there's nothing as entertaining as alec baldwin or marky mark in that movie

gangs of ny is totally fun and easily the best movie here - complete flailing mess tho

― ice cr?m, Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:23 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

horrible film, and so entertaining

only other one i saw was bringing out the dead and i honestly don't remember much about it, which almost seemed like the point

no IA wasn't THAT good. The Departed wasn't good AT ALL (aside from Mark-Alec standup act).

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what, do you got your period?

infernal affairs is inflated vaudeville

vaudeville is great!

the departed is kind of ridic but i have seen it like 7000 times and i don't really understand having a problem with dicaprio's performance

i really hate casino though why does ilx love it so much explain it to me

i have seen none of the poll movies except age of innocence which is a bad movie imo

re casino: grand sweeping sleeze, whats not to love

theres also a pavlovian thing operating where yr all this movie is like goodfellas

ive seen gangs of new york, age of innocence and the aviator, and i would describe them all as "OK"

i don't know how to describe it really but casino just seems like such a horrible, empty version of the scorcese i enjoy. really hate the character sharon stone plays even though i think she's good in it.

xpost it's not like goodfellas! it's like if goodfellas instead of being great was horrible.

I still haven't seen casino. Watched goodfellas again recently though and man that is just so great.

its true that its not really like goodfellas but it seems like goodfellas

age of innocence is great

^^^this is also a crazy ilx opinion i cannot get behind

ive seen gangs of new york, age of innocence and the aviator, and i would describe them all as "OK"

― max, Sunday, December 20, 2009 2:36 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the aviatar

icey, u can't make my head explode bcz you have the shittiest taste in film of anybody who starts movie threads.

vaudeville is great!

Not if it's inflated!

If Eric "loves" The Departed, why is it not among the eight 2006 titles on his favorite films list?

also Eric, "truth bomb" is preferable to "cosign"? and you REALLY are not going to watch Eureka?

Age of Innocence is lovely

Bringing Out the Dead is horrible

i kinda liked the aviator

I completely forgot that I saw Bringing Out the Dead and Kundun. Voted The Aviator - out of all of these it's an interesting sprawl.

"the rat symbolizes obviousness!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhHUZwadPiI

'the aviator' - nuts
'gangs of ny' - insane
'bringing out the dead' - kinda bizarre
'kundun' - good shit, not something i needed to see more than once
'the age of innocence' - pretty dope

i pick 'the aviator' b/c it just looks awesome and the only biopic i can think of in recent years that i actively enjoyed.

re: 'the departed' vs. 'IA': i dig IA a lot and there's a lot to recommend it, but there are entire writing and directorial decisions that simply do not work at all, it's not a story that lends itself well to the visual style that's chosen for it, and i can think of maybe only one or two things done in IA that i prefer to their equivalent in 'the departed'. i like IA2 a lot more, tbh. 'the departed' owns because it's hilarious, pretty fucked-up, and after reading up on whitey bulger and his crew even nicholson's weird performance makes a little more sense.

re: 'casino' vs 'goodfellas': i like this:

casino is dark and heartless and all the stuff scorsese does to get you amped in goodfellas just brings u down in casino - its charters live a completely futile existence in a transparent place - and they believe in it so hard - its all vv tragic and ridiculous

i love its epic style compared to 'goodfellas' and the last ten minutes or so are kinda heartbreaking and that cornfield scene is just emotionally brutal and helpless and horrifying. and i like how it plays up the fact that mob troops on the front lines are often pretty sick folks who won't just kill you, they'll do all kinds of shit to you before you die.

you REALLY are not going to watch Eureka?

Bad luck. My multi-region player is on the blink.

The Age of Innocence, easily, despite Joanne Woodward's narration. The rest have their moments, esp. The Departed, but their bloated lengths and performances bore the fuck out of me. He's a great minor director whose talents have frittered away as his profile and box office have increased.

Life Lessons and Goodfellas were his last mostly great films.

the age of innocence is so much boringer than the departed. >:[

Winona at the archery tournament >>> anyone other than Mark Wahlberg holding a gun in The Departed.

as far as Wharton adaptations go The House of Mirth >>>>>>>>>> The Age of Innoncence

i didn't even know i cared so much about hating the age of innocence until this thread

xpost well that is otm at least

I'm with Alfred on this one, though I think the last of his movies I can completely endorse is The Last Temptation of Christ.

I will admit that of the gang ...

http://www.cadadiapeor.info/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/mesa%20de%20palma.jpg

Scorsese's most recent masterpiece was the the longest ago.

Except for Lucas, who has never made and will never make a masterpiece.

icey, u can't make my head explode bcz you have the shittiest taste in film of anybody who starts movie threads.

― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Monday, December 21, 2009 12:20 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and my screwball comedy identification skills are totally crude too :p

icey, no hard feelings, but never confess to 'goading' Dr M.

re Lucas being a master, I prefer American Graffiti to anything by one other guy in that photo.

i said i wasnt goading you!

oh, sorry man, early-morning eyes.

(we should go see some crappy movie sometime eh)

lol and btw did i ever tell how american graffiti is abt my dads hs class

richard dreyfuss that is basically my dad

Coppola's expression in that photo sez, "These clowns aren't even drinking my wine!"

So were the writers in yr dad's class, joe? Gloria and Willard somebody?

it was lucas himself

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

For me, this is as much of a dead end as the Neil-Young-on-Geffen poll over on ILM. Bringing Out the Dead and Gangs of New York were pretty dreadful; The Aviator was a cipher; my dim memories of The Age of Innocence are that it was well done and--I realize this is an obvious thing to say--completely wrong for Scorsese. I'm tempted to vote for Kundun on the basis of not having seen it, but I'll pass.

um the aviator is really good, better than casino for sure, so that

way of the future, way of the future, way of the future

the scene where he crashes into that house is cool

Way upthread: I agree that A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies is pretty great. I have the Italian follow-up on tape but haven't watched it yet. I think Scorsese's made one other great film since GoodFellas: No Direction Home. A friend and I disagree about how much of it is attributable to Scorsese; he says virtually nil (pointing in particular to his supposedly not having anything to do with the Dylan interviews...true? I don't know), I say by definition most of it belongs to him. I'm not sure it matters--great film that took me two viewings to fully appreciate.

i don't think mart had much to do with 'no direction home' really.

sure whatever ice cr?m but the final recovery of his personality before that congress hearing summons genuine tragic poignancy. compared to the aviator the departed is a self-parodic mafia cartoon. both are a+ entertaining hollywood cheese though, don't get me wrong

clemenza otm re no direction home. and in term's of marty's work, dylan comes off as every bit the howard hughes who healed himself that might have been haunting scorsese at the time. plane crash, bike crash

no direction home is cool dont get me wrong but a lot of it is just ol blowhards ranting in w village bars like stfu already jeez

it's good because of the previously unseen footage of dylan in 66 etc... otherwise it's solid but again, scorsese came to it very late in its production.

it's good the way any quality biography is in that it revivifies the living breathing dynamism of a historical character who's long since become a textbook notion/critical reference point. i wonder how much working on the aviator (04) inflected marty's efforts on the doc (05)

Ice cr?m: Well, I'm not sure who you count as a blowhard. I thought most all of the Village people (um, so to speak) were pretty great, Van Ronk, Baez, and Muldaur especially. In many of the interviews, there seemed to be unresolved feelings about that time that I found fascinating.

I hated No Direction Home because it goes straight from Highway 61 and the "Judas!" concert to the motorcycle accident. WHAT ABOUT BLONDE ON BLONDE, FUCKTARDS???!??!?!?!?!?

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

didnt see this but would have voted Aviator (which is also better than The Departed...)

this is a great thread. joe OTM about casino!

it's kinda hard to think of a more merciless big studio film than Casino, it's hardly mitigated by any humor (though it has some extremely grim lols in a couple places) or likable characters, and its ending is just a very succinct and unpoetic summing-up. Though I think in its lack of poetry it does end perfectly and almost movingly.

ok I'm sorry but how did DDL get no nominations of any sort for his role in "age of innocence"???

In the Name of the Father likely siphoned votes.

ah, good point. I should see that one

It holds up well. DDL's as good in a (very!) different role.

The Age of Innocence is one of his top five films. I think Pfeiffer said at the time that it was his most violent film.

It holds up well. DDL's as good in a (very!) different role.

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, October 5, 2022 11:13 AM (thirteen minutes ago)

his intense longing/restraint is almost a refracted preview of his role in "phantom thread"