The Lockerbie Syndrome

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Lockerbie. Dunblane. Columbine. All of these places need to freakin' goddamn CHANGE THEIR NAMES. Because they're condemned.

Where else is afflicted with inescapable tragedy? What other fairly mundane towns will be synonymous with woe for evermore? And what can they do about it?

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:23 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.greenwich-guide.org.uk/assets/valley.jpg

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:25 (fifteen years ago)

Jonestown
Cambridge

sarahel, Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:25 (fifteen years ago)

Dammmn son I thought you were testing Robert Ludlum pastiche titles. xpost

sacher torte reform (suzy), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:25 (fifteen years ago)

ha NV, actually 'Hillsborough' is a good answer, also Cambridge?!

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:26 (fifteen years ago)

cambridge is pushing it, u might as well say oklahoma imo

plaxico (I know, right?), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:26 (fifteen years ago)

LJ - we'll form a band together called 9/11 Never Forget!

sarahel, Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:27 (fifteen years ago)

Chornobyl

But maybe we shouldn't try to airbrush tragedy away?

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:31 (fifteen years ago)

Aberfan

krakow, Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:31 (fifteen years ago)

New York

striker, currently playing for Italian Serie A club Milan (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:31 (fifteen years ago)

My friend just got a job in Dunblane and she's very pleased about it.

I'm not sure the OP's thesis stands either.

krakow, Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:32 (fifteen years ago)

Seriously, those guys from New York need a rebranding real quick. How about "iCity brought to you by VitaminWater"?

striker, currently playing for Italian Serie A club Milan (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:33 (fifteen years ago)

Waco, Texas
Hiroshima

striker, currently playing for Italian Serie A club Milan (some dude), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:33 (fifteen years ago)

don't get me started on Vitamin Water!

sarahel, Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:33 (fifteen years ago)

Like changing the name of Dunblane to Happy Sunshine Smartieville wd not really be a good thing to do either? Also all places visited by "tragedy" over time?

Possibly apocryphal story. The wee town in which I grew up had a notorious 19th century poisoner called Dr Palmer. His trial and conviction brought the town so much notoriety that the council petitioned the Prime Minister to change the town's name. The PM said this was cool as long as they named it after him. Seeing as the incumbent was Lord Palmerston, the council decided to pass.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:34 (fifteen years ago)

i lived in cambridge for 3 years and i do not recall waking up every morning and bemoaning the manifold horrors that the city had seen OH WAIT HANG ON

i think if we dressed as the twin towers and ended our first and only gig by self-immolating, that is the only way that band wd work

NV that is a good point, but my issue is with the nomenclature of the tragedies, and those of the towns, and how if things were a little more specific you wouldn't have entire places airbrushed WITH tragedy.

aberfan otm

andy murray is waging a one-man crusade to rehabilitate dunblane, this is true

hiroshima is kinda a monument for world peace these days isn't it? i'd say hiroshima should be proud of itself for regenerating, and should trumpet its history. it's different in cases of mass wartime destruction cf dresden, coventry

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:35 (fifteen years ago)

i think if we dressed as the twin towers and ended our first and only gig by self-immolating, that is the only way that band wd work

The gig would have to be at The Station in Rhode Island.

sarahel, Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:36 (fifteen years ago)

like, i'm not SERIOUSLY saying these towns should change their names! i do think the tragedies should have different stock names though. 'pan am flight whatever' rather than 'lockerbie'. 'name of killer(s)' rather than 'town where school massacre happened'

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:37 (fifteen years ago)

and I think that complex music in non-traditional time signatures should be called that, rather than "mathy" - but "mathy" is a lot more convenient to say, even though it has connotations that annoy me.

sarahel, Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:39 (fifteen years ago)

This is one of those Canutian missions to make people use other names than the names millions of people already use for a thing, isn't it?

I quite like history and tragedy and horror inscribing themselves onto places, memento mori and all that.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:40 (fifteen years ago)

Lockerbie's the one that rankles most. In its case, the cause of the tragedy had naff-all to do with the town! It was a truly unwanted deus ex machina. Poor town! If a meteorite hits Goole tomorrow, christ.

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:43 (fifteen years ago)

People might even start saying nice things about it! ;-)

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:43 (fifteen years ago)

You're just trying to cheer me up because it's back to work tomorrow.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:45 (fifteen years ago)

Does this syndrome apply to say Betjeman giving Slough an immediate and indelible connection in my brain btw?

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:46 (fifteen years ago)

nah, that was pretty lulz by betjeman

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:48 (fifteen years ago)

Hungerford

nate woolls, Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:48 (fifteen years ago)

For alls I know Jordan, Minnesota is a pleasant little town.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 23:50 (fifteen years ago)

snowtown

avocado constant (electricsound), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:04 (fifteen years ago)

port arthur

pyramid of geezer (haitch), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:04 (fifteen years ago)

canberra

avocado constant (electricsound), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:05 (fifteen years ago)

(j/k)

avocado constant (electricsound), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:06 (fifteen years ago)

relax they kicked trayce outta canberra

striker, currently playing for Italian Serie A club Milan (King Boy Pato), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:07 (fifteen years ago)

They were gonna rename Snowtown as 'Rosetown' before the locals had done up a few thousand of those "You'll have a barrel of a time in Snowtown" fridge magnets.

striker, currently playing for Italian Serie A club Milan (King Boy Pato), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:08 (fifteen years ago)

lool

avocado constant (electricsound), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:09 (fifteen years ago)

San Ysidro

kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 4 January 2010 00:31 (fifteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wineville_Chicken_Coop_Murders

"Wineville changed its name to Mira Loma on November 1, 1930, due in large part to the negative publicity surrounding the murders."

jabba hands, Monday, 4 January 2010 00:35 (fifteen years ago)

"see dirt"

goole, Monday, 4 January 2010 01:47 (fifteen years ago)

is that what mira loma means

goole, Monday, 4 January 2010 01:48 (fifteen years ago)

no it means hill

goole, Monday, 4 January 2010 01:48 (fifteen years ago)

relax they kicked trayce outta canberra

Lolll oi!

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 4 January 2010 03:59 (fifteen years ago)

Port Arthur is a weird one though because it already had a taint of the macabre before the massacres, being a prison colony.

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 4 January 2010 03:59 (fifteen years ago)

Love Canal

America's Next Most Disabled Ballerina (WmC), Monday, 4 January 2010 04:16 (fifteen years ago)

(aka Black Creek Village)

kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 4 January 2010 11:47 (fifteen years ago)

Windscale.

The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 4 January 2010 14:16 (fifteen years ago)

amityville

Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:26 (fifteen years ago)

salem will forever be stigmatised by 'days of our lives' being set there.

estela, Monday, 4 January 2010 14:34 (fifteen years ago)

Ha I was gonna mention Salem before but I don't know how many people are actively traumatized in 2010 by the comedy savagery of their distant ancestors. Can't imagine most murder towns being thought of primarily as "OMG TOWN OF DEATH" in 100 years or so.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:43 (fifteen years ago)

hastings had a bad rap for a bit

dome plow (gbx), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:49 (fifteen years ago)

kent state

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:50 (fifteen years ago)

still better than using up an entire calendar date imo, there's only 365 odd of those

Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:52 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah btbf 9th of November is often Remembrance Sunday so you get a twofer.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:53 (fifteen years ago)

chernobyl, no one wants to go there anymore

welcome to gudbergur (harbl), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:53 (fifteen years ago)

I mentioned it upthread in Ukrainian spelling.

Though the city today is mostly uninhabited, a small number of inhabitants reside in houses marked with signs stating that the "Owner of this house lives here". Workers on watch and administrative personnel of the Zone of Alienation are stationed in the city on a long term basis.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:55 (fifteen years ago)

haha, no wonder it didnt' show up when i tried ctrl+f

welcome to gudbergur (harbl), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:56 (fifteen years ago)

silent hill ftw

Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:57 (fifteen years ago)

Seriously, those guys from New York need a rebranding real quick. How about "iCity brought to you by VitaminWater"?

― striker, currently playing for Italian Serie A club Milan (King Boy Pato), Sunday, January 3, 2010 6:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thisd be an excellent improvement most def - conversely we could go w/the original name new amsterdam and legalize drugs and paid fucking

ice cr?m, Monday, 4 January 2010 15:01 (fifteen years ago)

dachau, 3 mile island

bnw, Monday, 4 January 2010 15:23 (fifteen years ago)

Hungerford

Mark G, Monday, 4 January 2010 15:24 (fifteen years ago)

Seriously, those guys from New York need a rebranding real quick. How about "iCity brought to you by VitaminWater"?

― striker, currently playing for Italian Serie A club Milan (King Boy Pato), Sunday, January 3, 2010 6:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thisd be an excellent improvement most def - conversely we could go w/the original name new amsterdam and legalize drugs and paid fucking

― ice cr?m, Monday, January 4, 2010 10:01 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i recommend you guys take this to the famous I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX ten point plan for improving and rebranding new york city

max, Monday, 4 January 2010 15:26 (fifteen years ago)

jho showing worrying signs of being bill magill's sockpuppet

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Monday, 4 January 2010 15:27 (fifteen years ago)

just sayin a new era of permissiveness might help new yorks overall brand

ice cr?m, Monday, 4 January 2010 15:35 (fifteen years ago)

More like Manho'tann.

I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 January 2010 15:36 (fifteen years ago)

I have to admit this is the first I've heard of Lockerbie. I think this is understandable, as it happened in another continent when I was five, and not a particularly worldly child. (Por ejemplo, I remember thinking that the Berlin Wall's fall was at the hands of a rock-instrument-wielding Alvin & the Chipmunks.)

girl moves (Abbott), Monday, 4 January 2010 16:39 (fifteen years ago)

Here's a local city's rebranding from the 1950s.

girl moves (Abbott), Monday, 4 January 2010 16:40 (fifteen years ago)

I remember thinking that the Berlin Wall's fall was at the hands of a rock-instrument-wielding Alvin & the Chipmunks.)

awesome

Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 16:26 (fifteen years ago)

A friend of mine moved to Selby and I think she got annoyed when I said "oh yeah, where the train crash was".

bilbao baggins (88), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 18:00 (fifteen years ago)

lol hatfield and southall are best known for big train crashes

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 18:01 (fifteen years ago)

I like the End of Decade list.

Shart Habit to Break (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 18:02 (fifteen years ago)

germany
poland
san diego (still rattled by heaven's gate cult)

A™ machine (sic) (omar little), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 18:05 (fifteen years ago)

looooool NV

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 6 January 2010 18:05 (fifteen years ago)


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