What's best: Violent Computer Games or Porn?

Porn hasn't really changed in the last 30 years has it?

Violence in computer games has.

Violent computer porn obv

What's the difference?

Whether the joystick or buttons you push are organic or not.

"Porn hasn't really changed in the last 30 years has it?"

pretty sure it has.

well, the means of distribution definitely have.

i'm talking about what you see on screen, almost entirely

people started shaving

i've never actually seen hardcore stuff from before the 90s tho xp

more niche fetishes have been satisfied

Porn's content has changed pretty radically in the last 30 years.

I am talking about violent computer games btw

The whole Gonzo sector has brought exciting new brands of misogyny to the party for a start.

examples

not links or anim gifs obv

I wouldn't want my kids (the hypothetical ones, that is) playing Modern Warfare 2 or becoming overly familiar with Ron's body of work

lolled at parentheses

that is the money quote (as they say)

it's a little messy but I get the message

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Bit busy for the next hour or so but, basically, without getting into a rosy glasses view of the 70s, the portrayal of women in mainstream 70s was far less about degrading the characters than a lot of mainstream 00s porno.

"Parents are not talking about this with their kids enough," said Craig Gross, who is a former pastor and has set up a website to help people addicted to pornography.

First time I read that, I saw a "get" before "addicted"...

you don't even need the 'get' for a lol

tbh, I wouldn't be looking to Ron Jeremy or evangelist pastors for clear-headed analysis of the issues here.

Craig Gross, who is a former pastor

So he found god, got addicted to porn and then ditched the former?

At least Ron Jeremy looks like a real person. As for video games, are they visually stimulating, or are they just about shooting each other?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cXoVSALNRc

At least Ron Jeremy looks like a real person.

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/scanner/2009/02/ron%20jeremy.jpg

hopefully today's more misogynistic porn stars will age better!

Why is there no option for "neither". I mean, the right answer is that you talk to your kids like people and explain what you think is good and bad about both.

Not saying young children should be watching hardcore porn, but all this stuff is out there so it's better to address it than to make it taboo.

There both kinda boring, and ultimately unedifying.

Am I old-fashioned if I think that the appropriate response to a child found with either is "you are too young for this" followed by swift confiscation and possible punishment?

nah, sounds quite sensible really.

I think that's exactly the response that will make the kid seek out more of the same though.

Yeah, and if the kid gets caught that is going to be a supremely unhappy child.

punishment never made me seek out more of the same

"Porn hasn't really changed in the last 30 years has it?"

Uh, like yeah it has.

It's not the punishment that makes it titillating. It's the denial.

But I'm speculating because my parents didn't hide reality from me so I'm pretty well adjusted on these things.

porno cinema will be pretty much extinct within the next ten years, certainly as a non-interactive, de-personalised dvd experience - hardcore fuck flicks will soon seem as quaint and distant as the nudie cutie, the naturist pic, the 'roughie', and so on

this sleazebag featured on a louis theroux documentary, and his story pretty neatly encapsulates the direction that porn has gone in since the advent of home video, but it's not pretty:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Zicari

Since when is deciding that what is appropriate for your underaged child re: viewing pornography or playing violent videogames "hiding reality from them"

that

i would def be way less worried about my (future imaginarium style) kid playing grand theft auto 7 than seeing some of the creeeeeepy porn that lies right around the corner on the internet.

fuck it, i get weirded out by the fact that those girls gone wild commercials are on cable in the early late night where a little insomniac me could have found them

then again, my memories of discovering porn at an early age was that it was confusing and kind of gross

focusing any porn argument on idiots like R0b Bl4ck isn't much different from focusing on a Japanese rape simulator video game, and acting like it is representative of the mainstream.

I know this whole poll isn't to be taken super seriously, but comparing one type of video game (violent) to all of porn is kind of bogus, too. I vote that porn is 'best', because it is so broad.

Even breaking down violence in video games; I personally feel like a Diablo type of game where monsters explode in bloody gore when you kill them, is actually way less destructive from super-realistic first person shooters like Modern Warfare 2.

Since when is deciding that what is appropriate for your underaged child re: viewing pornography or playing violent videogames "hiding reality from them"

^^ this. pornography and violent video games are both based on fantasy, not reality!

btw my exposure to porn at a young age was A++++++, would expose myself again

haha yeah, i liked it back then waaaay more than i do now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw7lUMC-m3Q

this debate would be more interesting if it was about what is more destructive to adults.

^^ this. pornography and violent video games are both based on fantasy, not reality!

― Big K.R.U.T. (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, January 13, 2010

maybe not YOUR reality.

there is nothing wrong with my reality. what is wrong, mr. harvell, is that your porn and video games are too boring.

both result in people concern trolling

abbott OTM tbh

I think so, too, and I will shut up right... NOW.

write in option for STFU everyone

the way i see it there's enormous variance in both categories and this is a silly premise for a thread, but the vast majority of porn is contemptible and in some way disgusting - wouldn't say this about violent computer games. thing is i have only use for porn in my life. on balance i'll not vote, but i'll say that if i caught a child watching exploitative pornography i'd be much more dismayed than if they were playing wolfenstein. if i caught them watching decent, non-genderist amateur porn, then i'd not really have a problem [/tuomas]

decent non-genderist amateur porn sounds like a real balst i must say

though i haven't a clue what 'non genderist' means in this context- a good time had by all, i assume?

not biased towards one gender - i.e. porn where the discourse isn't 1 overcoming 2 (or, only dominating 2 if at 2's command...grey areas), or 1 and 2 overcoming 3, or 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 coming over 8, but porn where the overall discourse is one of mutual enjoyment - is this too much to ask for?

in the case of exploitative gay porn, i don't like it but at least it doesn't send out misandric signals. exploitative lesbian porn is often filmed by men and involves male-type penetrations, and can be just as bad as exploitative straight porn. you can almost hear the cameraman beating himself off

does terrible acting depicting enjoyment count? if they're really doing their best, like?

porn/exploitation discussion always leads me straight into work/exploitation directions though, LJ

there's a reason i can only stand to watch amateur porn these days xp

haha! well, i don't believe there should really be a porn industry. it shouldn't be illegal but there just shouldn't be a need for it!

and yeah, that's obtuse of me, but deliberately so

other industries there 'shouldn't be'

military
justice
fast food
recycling
etc

yeah i know, soon as i typed it really, although i'd say porn is far more replaceable and unnecessary than all of those. because it's replaceable with porn uploaded to the internet by people in their spare time, which is better porn anyway, and sends out better messages to kids. where there's a market there's a buck to be made but at this point in time how on earth everyone isn't relying on free porn i will never know. why spend your fucking hard-earned money to see a silicon woman get double-penetrated by two losers?

because i have an abnormally large and obedient penis and i like to think that it's a fallback employment option if things go south in the social housing sphere.

be lookin' out fo' ya, diggler macrampanty

i don't fully understand the assumption that amateur porn is 'ethical' porn and professional porn isn't.

aside from it being tough to genuinely ascertain 'amateur' porn from 'there's a good market for amateur porn, let's shoot some' footage.

not all amateur porn is ethical! not much is, in fact. but professional porn is generally a very tough place to be unless yr jenna 'i have a blog and a thick skin' jameson and then it's probably still tough but she's gotta rep for the trade that makes her famous

so did elvis.

working for a living is a shitty way to earna living, adult film at 11

if professional porn was completely gender-equal, gave free, unpressured choice to the actors, and was as far as it could be 'authentic' (y'know, seemed genuinely interesting rather than methodical, clinical and utterly depressing) then yeah they can film all the kinky shit they want imo but basically all professional porn these days sticks to a degrading and awful formula and brings out the puritan in me

yeah, i'm actually not fighting you there, but how's that different to music, film, food preparation?

not every meal i make reaches its conclusion with a great big phallus spurting cum over the obedient face of an oppressed woman

just some of them?

haa, that was left intentionally open

i mean film and music have things rotten about their industries too, but they do a great and valuable service that not every member of the public can do, and get it right a lot of the time too. also they don't persist in oppressing an entire gender. yes, there should be more female directors/singers in the charts maybe, but it's not an across-the-board denigration

i'm basically saying porn should be a bastion of socialist principle

porn- a service by definition, in that lots of people are willing to pay for it to continue being produced. 'great & valuable' we'll have to leave to the individual to decide i think.

i don't want to just keep picking your responses apart, it's not like i've got any great revelation here myself, but i'm just not convinced that throwing a big fat cock into your workday life makes it all of a sudden not still, y'know, your workday life. pretty sure that sewerage technicians do a lot of things that the average joe wouldn't in order to make money, and that counts for most professions out there.

boy, this is tough! both have been with me pretty much every step of the way, like a couple of trusty old friends...

went with porn, since violent videogaming has yet to make me bust a nut

btw don't get me started on prostitution

violent videogaming has yet to make me bust a nut

ur doin it wrong

It's not the punishment that makes it titillating. It's the denial.

But I'm speculating because my parents didn't hide reality from me so I'm pretty well adjusted on these things.

― Nate Carson, Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:08 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

you're a shithead just fyi so it looks like they fucked up somewhere along the way

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I'm basically with Dan on this one, both are detrimental to kids below a certain maturity level, and neither need be detrimental to kids above a certain maturity level.

Given the choice though, I'd have to say porn. I mean imagery in porn could shape a kid's view of gender and sexuality in a negative way. Adolescent boys in particular are pretty prone to objectification of females and a conquest mentality. I could see porn reinforcing that.

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porno cinema will be pretty much extinct within the next ten years, certainly as a non-interactive, de-personalised dvd experience - hardcore fuck flicks will soon seem as quaint and distant as the nudie cutie, the naturist pic, the 'roughie', and so on

that's bullshit

my hands would be too busy whacking off to bother with interactivity tbh

oh shit this isn't the TMI board

it wasn't

Twerent

what is interactive porn? (genuine qn.) avatar VR shit?

http://www.welookdoyou.com/fufme/

At the moment, "interactive porn" either means a) computer games with porn content, or more usually b) DVDs that are similar to interactive quiz DVDs, except with porn.

I don't think there's any current VR porn which is a shame.

Unless you count some areas of Second Life and some other online environments. Er, so I've heard...

guys interactive porn is called 'sex' look it up there are several sites on the internet all about it

oh yeah and also this

have you shagged ariane yet?

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40 xpost

i've no wish to dispute ken c's credentials as a porn wanker, but there are plenty of recent articles like this pointing to a crisis in the traditional porn film industries:

http://www.thewrap.com/article/1394

i guess by 'interactivity' i mean cam2cam porn and so on

But others like Stephen Yagielowicz, the managing editor of XBiz, say the hype over Tubes is overblown, noting that those who visit the sites aren’t the type of consumers who would pay for content anyway.

“The porn industry likes to have its boogeymen. Right now, that’s the Tube sites. People start to buzz, ‘Tubes are killing us – where can I get a good script?’” he said.

Yagielowicz believes that a majority of the Tube sites will soon shut down because the cost of running them and paying for their large bandwidths can be up to hundreds of thousands of dollars – money that isn’t being recouped by a couple of ads.

“If people really want to make money off of porn on the Internet, they need to realize that porn is a non-essential product,” he said. “So what else can I offer you on my page? You have to monetize the eyeballs. I think a lot of the larger Tubes will start aggregating social networks and niche user communities, developing into pay sites by adding membership and adding value at an upsell.”

monetize the balls

Interactive erotic software. The wave of the future, Dude. One hundred percent electronic!