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Is the only good critic a vitriolic critic? Is a positive critic an oxymoron? Is it impossible to write well when you're being 'nice'? Etc etc.

Archel, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

New 'nasty brutish and short' answers!

Archel, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Being nasty is more fun, certainly.

DG, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

but not as much fun as grooving away on a groovy sofa with Sofa Ellix- Bextor!

Sophie #1 Phan, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oi You!

Graham, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Rock Steady Crew!

B-boys break up electro boogaloo!

Midnight At The Lost And Found, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's really easy to write a bad review (although it can be fun I always start feeling really guilty "but that artist probably thought they were doing something really special... etc" - this is becaause I am a wuss). But, guilt aside, it's easier and more fun. You can be the biggest badest bitch ever and there's no come back. (Although a certain London superclub phoned to tell us their whole office was in tears because one of our reviewers had called one of their DJs fat ...).

It depends how you see magazine reviews. Do you read them as journalism in their own right, or as buyers guides for music? If it's the latter then what's the point of battering some up and comming artist no-one has ever heard of? You only have limited page space, save it for positive reviews or for bigger artists fucking up.

And as a postscript: The only album I have ever really slated is Sophie Ellis Bextor's 'Read My Lips'.

Anna, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm going to write something nice about Beachwood Sparks.

Anyway, something I've always wondered, does writing about music/art/literature and offering your opinion automatically make you a critic?

jel --, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jel: yes. It doesn't make you a good critic, or a pro, of course - this is what people normally mean by the word, same as if they say that someone is a writer they do not mean they can and do write, it means that's their trade.

Ripping stuff apart was always what I found easiest and most fun. It's where you can go wild and entertain. However, I always thought that the most positive reviews were probably the most important. It's a far more interesting challenge to explain why something is great and deserves really high praise. If all criticism did was tear down it would be of far less use to consumers and artists than if it could highlight the best, not just for promotion and as a guide to consumers, but also because a good critic can strengthen and extend the vocabulary and understanding of the form in a much broader sense, and the best chance to do this is when writing about Joyce or Kurosawa or Picasso or Dylan, say.

Martin Skidmore, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yay Martin

Bad critics suck, what do they think they're acheiving other than self aggrandisement? Is it such valuable skill to see the bad elements in everything, how dire. Its a virus learnt in university ( among other institutions ) that is very hard to shake.. and just because im being negative dont discount the facts. People posing as buyers guides- what is that anyway? have you heard of subjectivity? are der brains.

This is a shitty rant from an oversensitive creative obviously. I have stopped reading critics picks and the like because I have a mind of my own. Ok Ive calmed down . Constructively, there needs to be more description and comparison rather than value judgements. A little less confrontation a litle more reaction. But I do still wonder what critics think is their role other than stirrers of shit from hades.

blahblah, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, the end product of "constructive/descriptive" criticism is what you can read in nearly all music journals now, i.e. "another solid set from Noel and Liam, back to basics after the excesses of the previous two albums, not as good as the first two but go and spend a third of your dole money on it anyway, 8/10" which doesn't help or save anybody.

Alison Houston, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If every amateur critic in the world unleashed encyclopedic tracts of bile cruelly slandering every record ever, it still wouldn't make up for the amount of PR that passes as journalism, so why are ppl such shrinking violets about it? Go ahead, impugn the artist's motives, ability, parenthood, religion, whatever. It DOESN'T MATTER

dave q, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It is easy to write a vitriolic rant, but it is just as easy (and just as lazy) to write an over-the-top gushing hype piece. The most difficult thing in the world is to write an honest evaluation of something that you are fairly indifferent to.

A zine I used to be involved with had a policy of only publishing good reviews. I thought this was a bit suspect at the time, but their reasoning was sound - they did this for fun, and why waste time and money on giving free publicity to things that you hate? Also (being mostly Canadian) they were keen to appear nice.

I found it a difficult but rewarding task to only write positive reviews. It's lazy to rely on vitriol. The best writing is inspired by passion, but hatred is not the only passion that there is.

kate, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Positive Reviews Only reminds me of that policy in regard to references. While working on the admissions system at De Montfort University, one reference from a college tutor was passed around. The student "sometimes turns up for lectures and is often sober."

Martin Skidmore, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

seven years pass...

TS: people who are known for their enthusiasm vs. people who are known for how much they hate stuff

Grisly Addams (WmC), Monday, 7 June 2010 01:05 (fifteen years ago)

Catty criticism is more fun. The 'accuracy' of a critic is always going to be relative anyway.

May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 7 June 2010 01:06 (fifteen years ago)

:(

harbl, Monday, 7 June 2010 01:06 (fifteen years ago)

nickname, right?

May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 7 June 2010 01:07 (fifteen years ago)

TS: picky eaters vs. people who will try any food at least once

Grisly Addams (WmC), Monday, 7 June 2010 01:08 (fifteen years ago)

"I find them both equally pleasing. I wouldn't like to denigrate either"

^ See? That's a shitty review.

May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 7 June 2010 01:09 (fifteen years ago)

i admire people who say yes to anything, which is why nicolas cage and samuel l jackson are the greatest actors of all time.

punperson (latebloomer), Monday, 7 June 2010 01:11 (fifteen years ago)

I wasn't really thinking in terms of arts criticism, more about sour people vs sweet people...
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Grisly Addams (WmC), Monday, 7 June 2010 01:14 (fifteen years ago)

people who are really only one of either are the worst, i pick both

harbl, Monday, 7 June 2010 01:15 (fifteen years ago)

i don't really hate everything, people think i am nice irl

harbl, Monday, 7 June 2010 01:16 (fifteen years ago)

yeah sure, ANYONE could say that.

May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 7 June 2010 01:20 (fifteen years ago)

I guess people who like every cuisine can be as tiresome as people who don't like anything when it comes time to pick where to go that night for dinner.

Grisly Addams (WmC), Monday, 7 June 2010 01:30 (fifteen years ago)


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