adopted brother wants to marry biological sister

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My brother was adopted out at birth.I didnt meet him in till he was 28 . Now I have fallen in love with him. legally he is not my brother. but biologicaly he is.What are the laws on this?

― sue steel, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

well you found ile. surly you could do a little more research on any search engine and read up on the laws in your area. considering that laws are different all over the friggan world and you didnt tell us where you are from, how the hell are we supposed to know? anyway dont get preggy cuz your babies will be retards.

― chaki, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Chaki is my most-favorite human being in the world right now.

― Dan Perry, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

they might be superior mutants!! darwin roXoR

― mark s, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

sweet

― Graham, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

legally he is not my brother: Unless you live someplace really really weird, legally he is your brother. I mean, the law's not stupid.

― nabisco%%, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

the law's not wrong, its STOOPID man! It stops us marrying attractive members from our own family (by that I mean my very attractive cousin, who married a couple of months back) (can someone check the actual law on this one).

― Julio Desouza, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

celebrity cousin spouses: darwin married his cousin emma wedgewood (of wedgewood china fame). the royals. and greta scacchi has a child to her cousin.
it was quite normal back in darwin's time (before the propagation of his theories!)... it's a bit passe these days tho.

― minna, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm fairly sure bigamy is illegal

― jamesmichaelward, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

What did Darwin say that would suggest not wanting to breed with relatives, other than the idea that genetic diversity is probably good for a population (did he even say this)? I think it's Mendel who should get the credit here (inbreeding causes homozygosity of otherwise subphenotypic recessive alleles). Mendel NEVER gets his due; even Darwin ignored him!

― Kris, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.biologie.uni-hamburg.de/b-online/fo08/mendel.jpg

― Kris, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I seem to remember reading somewhere that inbreeding actually only carries the same risk of birth defects as IVF, but I can't remember where I read this, or even if it's true... Can anyone confirm/otherwise?

― Steve.n., Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Lucky for me I'll never have this problem, my sister has a big fat ass and talks like a Valley Girl

― dave q, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I remember being told that Mendel's results for his Pea test were fabricated to prove his theory. From what I can remember he was unaware of this because it was done by some of the other monks, who wanted his theory to be proven. Is this right?

― davel, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Darwin didn't ignore Mendel. He was unaware of his work. Mendel published in an obscure Austrian journal which Darwin did not know about and his work lay undiscovered for many years after the publication of Origin of Species. I believe it may not even have been rediscovered until after Darwin's death. Mendel did fudge some of his results, yes. It was a question of degree however; the results fit the theory a bit too well. His basic ideas were, however, sound.

― MarkH, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

darwinian evolution = superior mutations survive = hurrah!!

if incest produces non-normal progeny, maybe some of them are superbeings!!?? i wasn't being very serious...

― mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The story I read was that Mendel sent his paper to Darwin but it was found unopened. I too have heard that Mendel must have fudged his results since his offspring ratios are consistently, implausibly close to perfect.

― Kris, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

In vitro fertilization still involves genetic material from an unrelated mother and father, right? If there is an inherent risk of birth defects, it's not for the same reason as inbreeding. Nor either would cloning carry the same risk (the current problems with cloning are thought to do with epigenetic factors).

― Kris, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

if incest produces non-normal progeny, maybe some of them are superbeings!!??

Only if some recessive supermutation was extremely rare or recently developed, otherwise it would have probably emerged at some point inbreeding or no. Bathing your nuts in ultraviolet light would be a better way to produce superhumans, depending on how many fucked-up/dead offspring you were willing to tolerate along the way.

― Kris, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

You'd probably be more likely to develop testicular cancer than anything good happening, unfortunately.

― Kris, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

taking sides: science fact vs science fiction :(

― mark s, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

But they interbreed closely related animals to reinforce superior traits, so this could work for humans. Whether the alleged Sue Steel and her alleged brother have such traits, and whether they are free of dangerous traits and unpleasant conditions carried by recessive genes is a mystery.

Worth a try, I reckon. I was adopted too => I may have already had sex with a sister or brother without knowing it!

― Martin Skidmore, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I may have already had sex with a sister or brother without knowing it!

Once you go black, you never go back.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

(insert Dan is an Evil man comment here)

― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

when i watched brookie (Channel 4 soap) a few years ago, there woz a brother-and-sis love in, Georgina and Mat?

― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

jamesmichaelward just so you know, It would be legal in Arkansas, Alabama, California, Colorado, Cenneticut, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Maryland, Massacheusettes, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennesse, Texas, Vermont, Virginia to marry all cousins. As for you nredfearn200... you can't marry your brother pretty much anywhere, but, it's only illegal if you have sexual intercourse.

― Amanda, Sunday, 23 November 2003 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Given the prevalence of donor insemination programs and the enormous secrecy surrounding them there must be lots of cases of people marrying their biological brothers and sisters unknowingly. If society really cared about the incest taboo, we wouldn't be so cavalier about people being created in this way.

― Amarga (Amarga), Sunday, 23 November 2003 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

that's a joke, right?

― Elliot (Elliot), Sunday, 23 November 2003 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a pretty sexy joke.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 23 November 2003 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

dennis and sharon off eastenders to thread...(but in reverse)

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 23 November 2003 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't know there was yet another Kentuckian on ilx! INCEST ROCKS!

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Sunday, 23 November 2003 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

No it's not a joke, Elliot. Most people conceived by donor insemination are not told about it by the parents who raise them. I'm willing to bet that in only a very few cases do men who 'donate' sperm tell their other offspring, the ones they raise, that they've probably got a host of siblings out there. In many cases checks on the number of children born to a single sperm donor are weak and cursory. Cases of men fathering eighty or more children have nevertheless emerged.

― Amarga (Amarga), Sunday, 23 November 2003 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Incidentally, the problem of reunited adopted people and members of the biological families getting sexually involved with one another is so common that it's even got it's own acronym - GSA (Genetic Sexual Attraction). Personally I think it's a stupid acronym that disguises rather than reveals the nature of the feelings that fuel such attractions.

― Amarga (Amarga), Sunday, 23 November 2003 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Cases of men fathering eighty or more children have nevertheless emerged.
Sort of like Marlon Brando.

― Mandee (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 23 November 2003 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Sort of like Michael Aspel.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Sunday, 23 November 2003 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

and Screamin' Jay Hawkins!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 23 November 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm 25 and have been involved with my sister for years. We even have a child togther, who is perfectly normal. I say if you want it bad enough you will find a way

― David Byers, Thursday, 27 November 2003 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

holy shit!

― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Thursday, 27 November 2003 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

dan perry was funny on this thread.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 28 November 2003 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

my name is David Byers and i am adopted aswell.i say go for it.

― david byers, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

Only on ILX could the original question prompt a discussion on the relative (ha!) merits of Darwin's and Mendel's theories.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

what happened to yr old email dave?

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

I'm 25 and have been involved with my sister for years. We even have a child togther, who is perfectly normal. I say if you want it bad enough you will find a way

― David Byers, Thursday, November 27, 2003 6:30 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my name is David Byers and i am adopted aswell.i say go for it.

― david byers, Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:31 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― crutal truth (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 27 July 2009 20:17 (fifteen years ago)

personal experience has made him a committed activist on this issue

― nabisco, Monday, 27 July 2009 20:39 (fifteen years ago)

I always like how ILX was always "My, that's a serious question posed, how shall I go about providing a correct answer?" to every horseblown idiocy that was posted on here.

― http://tinyurl.com/ggggst (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 27 July 2009 20:52 (fifteen years ago)

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