Does anyone here speak Portuguese?

Hanley discovers the Altavista translator. As a female you always say Obrigada, but it doesnt really make a difference if you say Obrigado too, most women do that

Been trying to understand why Tiago equals Jacob not James, but it's really confusing.

Does this help? http://spanish.about.com/od/historyofspanish/a/diego.htm

And this map http://www.babynamespedia.com/meaning/Tiago

Tiago like Diego equals James, in English, which is the English version of Jacob, hence the Jacobites, who were supporters of James II and his descendants.

Of course. It seems so simple now. Thanks.

De nada.

kinda love it when I hear local lusophones incorporate english words into portuguese (store, or snow, eg)

My favorite moment like that was when I was talking to some guy behind the bar in a Portuguese restaurant after Portugal had lost the final to Greece in Lisbon. He was telling me in English "We had nothing to be ashamed of, we did well, etc" but then when his buddy came in he started talking strategy, saying "Dois strikers! Dois!" and holding up two fingers.

De nada.
Muito obrigado. So maybe I meant to call myself Jacob Redd and the Blecchs?

Santiago Vermelho e Os Blecautes

Muito prazer em conhecer

Did you just sanctify yourself?

Someone had to.

"Bica" ou "cimbalino"?

its a beautiful language

yeah

one of the coolest things abt malay and indonesian is all the portuguese words that have crept into the lexicon.

E aí, mano. Firmeza?

E aí, cria. Suave?

Falou.

I got it in my head I'd like to teach myself Portuguese, mostly because I like the challenge and also because I like the country and would like to spend more time there in future. But most easily-accessible guides like Duolingo only teach Brazilian Portuguese, which I totally get is useful, but not if you're interested in the European kind

people learned languages before there were apps on your phone!

Fwiw there was a mini moral panic during lockdown that all the kids were speaking BRAZILIAN now because they spent all day watching BR kid's stuff on YouTube.

But really it's the same language, it's fine to learn one variant and as you get better you can notice the differences.

xp yes but i don't want to put any, like, effort into it

Quem corre por gosto não cansa!

"Bica" ou "cimbalino"?

Bica is Lisbon, cimbalino is supposedly Porto but no cunt uses it unless they're trying to butter up tourists-

I’ve been using language transfer to learn spanish - it’s brilliant. I just checked and you’ll be annoyed to learn they don’t offer portuguese:/

I’m going to Portugal in February, is a good old-fashioned phrase book my friend?

Italki?

I found a really good Portuguese teacher there, need to go back again.

As a pretty fluent Spanish speaker, I can more or less tease out the meaning of a lot of written Portuguese. However, the accent, particularly the Brazilian accent, baffles me. It sounds more like Russian than a Romance language. My South American Spanish-speaking friends seem to get by, though.

Portuguese speakers can usually understand Spanish, Spanish speakers usually cannot understand Portuguese. I realise this might sound suspect coming from me, but I've had Spanish speakers confirm.

I guess your mileage may vary. We got a ton of Brazilian TV when I was living in Peru.

And yes, the Slavish-sounding accent is notable in Portuguese. For what I think must be the most extreme example of this, check out the accent from my home island of S Miguel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGwVYpjlgoE

Peninsular Portuguese sounds more Slavic to me. Sometimes when I hear Portuguese walking around speaking I can’t even recognize a single word or identify what language it is. I have no such problem with Brazilians.

Spanish, like Italian, has basically only the five pure vowel sounds. Portuguese has many more vowel sounds— maybe the most for a Romance language as far as I know, but not as many as Danish, which has still the greatest number. There’s also a whole lotta nasality going on, which tends to swallow up the ends of words.

Yes, but at the same time, at least as I understand it, vowel sounds are often added to the end of words ending in consonants. The only one that comes to mind was an ad for the Brazilian airline VASP, which the actor pronounced "VAS-PE."

That's def a Brazilian thing, European Portuguese doesn't do it.

Adding random "e" sounds after words, particularly borrowed words from English - esporte would be an example ("desporto" in European Portuguese).

I do listen to a Portuguese podcast called "Vidro Azul," and the DJ is more or less comprehensible. Of course, he also has a very soft, easygoing radio voice.

xp Very interesting, thanks.

This reminds me of another thing, the exemplar of which is the pronunciation of “de repente.” Brazilians pronunciation it like “day heh-PEN-chi” whereas for continentals it’s more like “Duuh PENTS” or “Duuh PENTA.”

Whereas Spanish speakers pronounce it like it's written lol

Ha, exactly!

Btw, first went to Forvo to hear some pronunciations but the PT versions were nowhere to be found. On the other hand dict.cc came through as usual.

Do you really say “comboio” for train in Portugal?

My Cape Verdean friend who lives here says it, but Brazilians don’t.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO1MdbQQv28

comboio in Brazil means a large group of trucks or motorcycles together on the road. normally means whenever there's bad weather and all vehicles on the road will travel close to each other... we also use it whenever saying a large group of people are coming to a place, in an informal/jokey way

So the same as convoy in English then, which is sort of close to the French origin of the word.

Yeah, it's train in Portugal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfFpxjWuHxk