Young professionals moving to Lambeth for EDGY urban London life

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Self explanatory question, I think.

I say dud, btw.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What have I ever done to you???!

― Tom, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Wot of underpaid temps eh????

― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't think you two moved to Lambeth for edginess. Or did you?

― RickyT, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Has ever been so, and will ever be so - the cycle of London life and regions will always turn what was once rough into new bohemia and latterly comfortable decline until the cycle comes round again. See Notting Hill.

― Pete, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well it was convinient and house we found = stupidly central and grebt for wot we are paying for it (although front room = no light is a pain in the arse, especially whilst the main light is broken) so perhaps NOT for edginess... of course being a GOFF I would like to move into a flat opposite Camden market hem hem.

― Sarah, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, moving anywhere for an EDGY urban lifestyle is an enormous dud, these sort of people must be avoided at all costs. There is nothing wrong with young professionals moving to Lambeth per se.

― jel --, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To me, an edgy lifestyle means living in one of those houses at Birling Gap in Sussex that are falling off the cliff. Places aren't 'edgy', it's what you do with them that counts. So yeah, dud, if people really DO move for such reasons.

― Archel, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yea, but looking at it the other way, what are we berating people for? whats strange about people wanting to move right in to the centre of a city? and a city like london too? people come to places like london because its exciting, and more fun than glengarroch in scotland or wallawalla in australia or crewe in england or wherever, so why wouldn't they want to live in such a place?

of course, this is kind of undermined by the fact that we're talking about lambeth here, but you know what i mean, right?

the way the question is phrased, you want to agree with it, say its bad (esp the word 'edgy'!), but if you think about it, its pretty understandable. if you moved to new york would choose brooklyn or staten island (assuming you can't afford manhattan i guess!)?

― gareth, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I did not move to Lambeth for edginess but I also would quite like it if Lambeth suddenly became edge central just to see what it is like to live in a trendy place. So I am still a bit dud really.

I always thought Matt DC lived in Washington DC cos of his posting name so when I read the thread I was thinking for fucks sake what would you care, and then I realised they might be initials or something. Sorry Matt!

Is 'urban' a racial code here?

― Tom, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No. Urban in this situation means like a city.

― Pete, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I took the question to mean moving to Lambeth (or Notting Hill or Hoxton or wherever) from, or as opposed to, other parts of London out of some conception of 'coolness'. If you rephrase the question to read:

'Young professionals moving to London for exciting city life - classic or dud?' then it's something different altogether.

― Archel, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Where is the "edgy is a rubbish word" thread when you need it? My previous moves in and around London I have generally had a vague idea where I want to live - and it is often places I know relatively well because
a) I know other people that live there
b) I have gone out in the area

If you look at reason b) then it is quite possible that areas with burgeoning social scenes (for which read Hoxton, Brixton) are tempting to people on the move. I really don't think we are talking about some mysterious "other" here.

― Pete, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gareth, you may or may not be aware that there really is a place called Wallawalla in Australia. It is on the edge of the Riverina wheat belt in southern NSW and is not to be confused with Wagga Wagga although there is only about 100-150k between them and they both are as boring as batshit.

It sounds like Melbourne's equivalent of Lambeth would be somewhere like Prahran. All those swanky shops and restaurants are close handy for meeting clients and other corporate crawling activity but the rates are about a quarter less than the really 'aspirational' neighbouring suburbs of Toorak and South Yarra, and it looks fashionably grotty (though residents would prefer 'raffish') against that background too. I'm reminded here of the character in Doug. Adams' 'So Long and Thanks For The Fish' who loved New York because loving New York was a good career move.

For mine it would be near impossible to use the word 'edgy' in this context without sounding like a complete pseud.

― BJ, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yep Tom... the DC bit is my initials. I've never been to Washington (or the US for that matter). Actually, this is all rather unfortunate as I had no idea you'd moved to Lambeth at all, regardless of the reasons, so it wasn't intended as a personal attack on anyone.

This thread sprung for an argument I had in a pub last night with some people (working in the media, obviously), who were arguing that they would never live in an area like, say, Clapham or most of West London because it's in some way less 'real' than Peckham or New Cross or wherever. Obviously this riled me (having lived in a horrible South London shithole for most of my life and being desperate to get out of the place) and seemed insulting. Probably because it seemed to smack of some kind of urban tourism for cunts. I picked 'Lambeth' at random, although there is nothing wrong with moving to any of these places per say.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Clapham or most of West London because it's in some way less 'real' than Peckham or New Cross or wherever

I said something similar last night, if you take away the bit about it being less real, and add that it was full of fucking ponces.

― chris, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, matt, i actually do mostly agree with you, but i do get wary of the way this line of criticism can go.

it sounds like yr people in the pub want to be at the front edge of the gentrification, rather than the stragglers. thats the irony though isn't it (if you accept those peoples conditions), that their very arrival heralds the end of the realness they seek (no doubt x years down the line they'll complain bitterly about it too)

so, where do these dudes live then anyway?

― gareth, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

heh when we were living in a SHITEHOLE near goldhawk road there was this hil-arious article in some magazine called "the bush-oisie" or something, all about how shepherd's bush was "real" and "edgy" and all the slebs were moving there etc. oh yes it was so edgy picking your way through piles of discarded KFC boxes full of greasy bones to get to your front door, trying to get to sleep through constant police siren wails and switching your mobile off whenever you went out so that muggers wouldn't hear the ring and beat the shit out of you for it. still, i hear that louis theroux has moved from the bush to harlesden in his quest for the ultimate "edge".

um. that was a rant. sorry. we live somewhere nicer now (though still in Da Bush!) i have never found it edgy though, it's just relatively cheap and convenient.

― katie, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

heh, they should move to thamesmead if they want 'real'.

and what chris said, natch

― gareth, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oi chris i am not a facking ponce!

― katie, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is West London really full of fucking ponces though? Once you get past Shepherd's Bush/White City/Harlesden it's just miles and miles of different degrees of suburbia. Nothing like Clapham/Battersea at all.

― RickyT, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, have you been to Alperton recently?

― RickyT, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i would have thought that shoreditch/hoxton was WAY poncier than west london (apart from notting hill which is alas, full of ponces).

― katie, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oops, must clarify, we were driving thro Clapham junction at the time and I was more talking about that neck of the woods, plus I was bitter that there were so many restaurants around.

― chris, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i've been to alperton recently! ealing road, TOP fer yer indian/pakistani groceries. num num curry supplies! (ponce level significantly lower than notting hill)

― katie, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What Katie said.

― RickyT, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

agreed, rickyt, i thought it said 'notting hill' not 'west london', i think its that often people disregard the existence of zones 3 and out. west london soons dissipates into a maze of flyovers, wide roads, semis, all pervading 1930s neatness, metroland

― gareth, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and yep, Alperton = grebt for Indian food and so much handier than Southall.

to reiterate: clapham etc = bad; west london (in the main) ok.

That is all.

― chris, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it sounds like yr people in the pub want to be at the front edge of the gentrification, rather than the stragglers. thats the irony though isn't it (if you accept those peoples conditions), that their very arrival heralds the end of the realness they seek

But WHY does one place have to be considered 'real' and not another, regardless of the proportion of fucking ponces/people who have lived there all their live/people with no money?

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

PLACE ROCKISM!

― RickyT, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

that's the question that i was trying to verbalise in my head whilst ranting on about GOldhawk Road, Matt. and i'm not sure - it's the "poor = cool unless you actually are poor" pulp common people syndrome obv, but WHY this happens i am not sure.

― katie, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hoxditch is, of course, poncier, in its own way. ie - there is no neatness, it is still as grimy as ever. it seems more of a work/socialising place (there are no restaurants though), i couldn't imagine anyone actually living there. it soon becomes haggerston, which is just tower blocks - queensbridge road estates and the rest, or the stuff off new north road, not nice. i often wonder, where is it exactly that people live in shoreditch/hoxton? there still seem to be a large number of 'original inhabitants' (as there are in camden still) - unless of course its those houses up towards essex road, which are very nice but not really that near old st. confusing!

― gareth, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd much rather live in Peckham than Clapham, because I feel much more comfortable and at home in Peckham, which rocks (Clapham mostly seems to simper). I've lived in Peckham, mind, and I've never lived in Claphham. It may be I'm the kind of dud you're talking about, Matt.

― Tim, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i live 72 yards from murder mile e5

which bit of london wd be improved by a sheer cliff edge and bitZoRs tumbling gradually over? also tubetrains shooting out of the side of the cliff every few mins and tumbling into the depths

i am currently rereading rubbishy old michael moorcock books if you did not guess

― mark s, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But WHY does one place have to be considered 'real' and not another

because of the fetishization/exoticization of working class people (because we're not so sure what that means anymore, the old signifiers are dead, and recreated in loaded, simulacra), which is why its 'cooler/realer' to live in poor places, to have a strong accent (esp leeds/manchester/newcastle), to **not be priviledged OKAY**, cuz it 'looks better' to have come from shit, 'don't want anyone to know daddy helped me buy this place'

― gareth, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well I live in Peckham but I go out in East Dulwich and Camberwell and Brixton. So ponces live in Peckham too you know.

― Sam, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

M+K, might this be something to with Bill's question about middle- class self-loathing? I know one of the reasons I don't like Clapham very much is that it feels like the sort of place I *should* be living in if I was true to my Oxbridge background. Of course, I can't actually afford to live there, but that's a different kettle of fish.

― RickyT, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't like Clapham very much is that it feels like the sort of place I *should* be living in if I was true to my Oxbridge background

Do you really Ricky? you're so not the sort of person I was railing against last night. To my mind Clapham is full of Tim from BB3s.

― chris, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, you're right. But ex-Oxbridge stereotype = slightly more intelligent version of Tim from BB.

― RickyT, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

murder mile e5 is a bit of a hype though isn't it, i mean, those people were killed for pretty disparate reasons, and i reckon the clapton road is fine - its not a dodgy place. i like clapton quite a lot, its nice, it has a good feel.

i think people find their own niche, where they are comfortable, something they think reflects them to some degree (psychogeography, baby). i wouldn't want to live in the clapham/notting hill type places, not because they are 'less real' but because they don't feel comfortable to me. similarly, i wouldn't want to live in lambeth/peckham/deptford, because i don't feel at home there. it is interesting why though isn't it?

― gareth, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

*shudders*

― chris, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah clapton road is fine: as "murder miles" go it is v.friendly!!

i also live w/i 200 yds of Hackney Community Space Centre, so this is quite a diverse area!! Hate and Rockets!

Except w/o the hate...

― mark s, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's all so confusing. I am ever more glad to be a simple provincial lass.

― Archel, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The rockism tag above is very apt here. Living in Clapham is - for want of a better comparison - akin to liking Coldplay. It is deemed as safe, solidly middle-class, professionals which therefore is a perfect place to live if you fit into this group. Thus by define ourselves against this (I hate Clapham) we are defining ourselves as not being like this. Its the last gasp desperation of peopleseeing themselves slide into conformity - and believing that conformity is all bad.

I have been just as guilty as these kind of conversations as the rest of you - especially by tarring entire swathes of London as no go areas (at current count two thirds of London has been pretty much discarded out of hand) but in the end talking about psychogeography only really works if you actually interact with your local area which an awful lot of people don't do.

― Pete, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

People in Hoxton used to actually live in the square and surrounding roads, Pitfield Street, the streets off Kingsland Road, Charlotte Road, blah blah. Most of the artists I know who had great big studios there have either gotten rich and bought Georgian Spitalfields houses or have gotten loads of space on verrrry long leases in the warehouses around Hackney Wick.

If I could have anywhere around there, it would be one of those cool buildings on Haberdasher Street. But there are tons of restaurants there, either cheap Vietnamese or 'designed' places like Eyre Brothers - the design of which keeps a lot of architects I know in clover (and the nice thing: the architects were the first people I knew to move that way).

Clapham and environs known as Nappy Valley due to large amounts of City wankers with 'oh I do a bit of interior design' wives living there with their creche-aged offspring. It's like Crouch End but with more restaurants and less C-list celebrities.

I used to live in Hampstead because of an idea of London I had when I was 12; now I live in the centre because the place I found was actually significantly cheaper than Camden or Islington and 15 minutes' walk from Hoxton and the West End.

As far as West London goes, I used to live near Ricky T and Katie and found that well...okay, mostly due to Thai shop and good connections to getting the hell out.

― suzy, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmm, I sometimes go to the goals centre in Alperton to play 5-aside football.

Southall's okay, alot of my friends live there or in Hayes. Acton, Ealing, Hanwell, Southall, Perivale, Greenford are all distinctly different areas.

But then, I've never had the experience of moving into London or around London, so my view is very west-londoncentric.

― jel --, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hm i dunno, i quite like the bush/hammersmith now i've got used to it! (brook green = k-poncey tho :))

― katie, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Blythe Road, where I used to live in W14, is part of one of those 'villages' beloved of/created by estate agents called Piers.

I liked that there were Real Shops there but I was surrounded by inbred estate kids who pestered me and my flatmate; we asked their parents tomake it stop and they were like 'Our Jayson? Nevah!'

― suzy, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

cor Suzy we live like THREE MINUTES WALK from there! yeah i kind of know what you mean and the "fake village" thing is annoying. also nearly priced us out of the damn rental market but we go lucky... but i can live pretty much anywhere provided that i'm near good public transport (CENTRAL LINE), a good health food shop (ie not freakin holland and barret), charity shops and (hem hem but for want of a better word) "ethnic" shops selling spices and that. oh and a big supermarket. oh and not too NOISY. i don't want much do i eh kids? my favourite place that i lived evah was stratford e15 though. mmm. stratford (gareth i have answered your 2nd hand bookshop question btw).

― katie, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm surprised no-one's mentioned that people tend to stay on the side of the river that they first lived on.

I've been in London almost 5 years, and only lived south. I'm thinking of moving to Walthamstow, bt only cos I want to buy and it's the best value for money.

For me, your side of the river does colour things. I don't imagine many areas of london north of the river are any more dodgy than where I live at the minute, half way between brixton and Streatham, but I wouldn't dream of moving to archway etc. because to my south london mind it's scary and unknown.

― Vicky, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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Arf!

― Lucretia My Ossidge (Lucretia My Reflection), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

bbbut chingford line into liverpool st (which I take home every night), and blackhorse rd & queens road overground, which can easily link up with north london line....

― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh dear. E17 is looking persuasive.

― Alix with an i ? (alix), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Dude we're paying £400 each for our place, move round our way.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone live in Milton Keynes? I'm told it has matured nicely.

Does anyone live in High Wycombe? I am interested in the commute.

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 06:32 (twenty years ago)

Didn't Deano used to live in Milton Keynes?

― KeefW (kmw), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 06:45 (twenty years ago)

I miss the Hobgoblin :(

and I never did make it into the Three Woodcocks (horses whinny, a cold breeze blows through)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 06:47 (twenty years ago)

No, Deano lived somewhere similar. Begins with 'H', I think.

Where, Tracer? MK or HW? Or Lambeth?

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)

This thread's about Lambeth wot.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

But High Wycombe sounds pretty grand!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 06:56 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it is about Lambeth. But Dadaismus insisted on making it about Henley.

Deano lived in Hemel Hempstead.

Lewis Grassic Gibbon lived in Welwyn Garden City, referring to it as 'a village just outside London'.

OK, so I am looking for the northern equivalent of Maidenhead, only less edgy. Somewhere on the way to the Midlands.

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 07:05 (twenty years ago)

I think PJM should live in Cricklewood, like The Goodies.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 08:18 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't So Haunt Me set in Cricklewood?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

based on my somewhat limited experience of the area, i'd say no to cricklewood. the massive wing yip is out there, but otherwise...

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

It's the comedy suburb. In John Sullivan's short-lived 90s sitcom Roger Roger, one character worked at a fast-food restaurant called Planet Cricklewood. See? Always funny.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 09:17 (twenty years ago)

Burn Cricklewood Burn!

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

Cricklewood Babylon.

I think Peter should consider Stevenage in his quest for the Maidenhead of North. And then dismiss it.

In my own quest for an edgy lifestyle I have just moved to St Leonards on Sea. Hardcore.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 09:59 (twenty years ago)

The Goodies' house freaks me out, and I'm worried about golden goose bombardments.

Well done, Jerry the Pacesetter!

Would the Nipper Nephew Massive be mates with Edith?

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)

That is quite literally on the edge.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)

i got lost INSIDE elephant & castle tube station!

― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

when are we going to see the palm trees?

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

palm trees?

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

the palm trees in torquay.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

Ew.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

I love this thread. We came very close to moving to Lambeth (council that is) for a not so edgy urban london life, but the melting pot of councils that is Crystal Palace/upper norwood mean that we'll be in Croydon instead. Croydon!

― Vicky (Vicky), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

to be in Upper Norwood SE19...in the summertime...close...to the edge...

― ;_; (blueski), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

Ooh, where is your new house? Good to see you're joining the Golden Quarter. Not to mention the new exciting beer options this may throw up.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

Still got some way to go before it's finalised, but it's off Central Hill, not too far away from another ilxor in fact...

― Vicky (Vicky), Monday, 30 October 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

four months pass...

i forgot crofton park and lordship park

― 600, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:31 (eighteen years ago)

and The Hyde

― 600, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:31 (eighteen years ago)

Har har, one of us, one of us, you're coming round to our side of the river.

― Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

its a lambeth thread. not a london thread. nevertheless, this is the thread with all the london areas on it

except for some of the weird and wonderful places at the far far reaches of the southeast

bellingham. a bus goes there from new cross you know
southend. yes, there is a southend in london
bell green. do you suppose it is still 1952 there?
woodside. ???
thornton heath. ive heard of this before
avery hill. campuses
west heath. do people who live here forget the name of the pllae they live in?
longlands. it just creeps in
chinbrook. such a place exists!

― 600, Thursday, 12 April 2007 09:53 (eighteen years ago)

These are all the rubbish places surrounding my secondary school and some of my old schoolfriends. I spent most of my early teens in these places.

Bellingham - actually just next to Catford, down the bottom of the hill from my parents. There is nothing interesting there apart from some postwar suburban housing and kids looking bored. Status Quo went to Sedgehill School, which is in Bellingham.

Southend - not really an area. Southend Pond is nice, Southend Village is an estate agent place.

Bell Green - roundabout next to a Sainsbury's Savacentre. This is Lower Sydenham really.

Woodside - ???

Thornton Heath - ???

Avery Hill - nice glasshouse there

West Heath - this doesn't exist surely?

Longlands - Never heard of it, you mean Shortlands, right?

Chinbrook - Hinterland between Grove Park and Mottingham, which aren't really distinct places in themselves. There are some 'meadow's (ie manky patch of grass there)

You forgot Downham, which is probably the biggest single 'place' you've mentioned here.

None of these places are remotely interesting.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 12 April 2007 10:09 (eighteen years ago)

"aren't really distinct places in themselves" -- U&K to these threads.

i couldn't hold back the snark, i'm sorry.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 12 April 2007 10:26 (eighteen years ago)

Bellingham, Bell Green, Southend... why no Bell End?

― Tom D., Thursday, 12 April 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodside%2C_London

ok thornton heath might be in croydon not london

west heath is next to abbey wood

ok longlands is mainly part of sidcup, but a bit pokes over into london

downham is in bromley surely???

― 600, Thursday, 12 April 2007 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

Downham is horrible - I was offered a BeeEnPee leaflet by a guy outside the supermarket (this was just before the 2001 Gen Elec): "One of us, eh, mate?"

Thornton Heath is Croydon-SE London border country and is where both my daughters were born! If you figure in scans and other hospital visits, I think Pam & I have spent more time* on Thornton Heath's roads than almost any other area of London. If it is London (it's CR7, I think). Usual suburban mix of clock tower, Victorian rows and tightly-packed shopping zone with a '70s hint of aborted redevelopment. I wouldn't fancy living there much.

(* - and money. The Micra was towed on one overlong visit to see a consultant at Mayday. £200!)

xp

― Michael Jones, Thursday, 12 April 2007 10:37 (eighteen years ago)

Yes Downham is Bromley really but I still think of Bromley as London, but it does have a BR postcode so is outside yr original parameters (five years ago!)

I'm sure there are similarly unheralded parts of NW London we've failed to pick up on though.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 12 April 2007 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

The crooked teeth of Thornton Heath. REALLY not London.

What, no West Norwood?

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 12 April 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

im sorry about the whole thornton heath thing

i had upper norwood and norwood green, i always forget how many norwoods there are. perhaps they should themselves, the norwoods

― 600, Thursday, 12 April 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

But West Norwood IS in Lambeth

― Vicky, Thursday, 12 April 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

Norwood New Town! That's where me & Vicky live. Not together, mind.

I've never heard of Norwood Green. Does Norwood Lakes count or is that regarded as part of South Norwood?

― Michael Jones, Thursday, 12 April 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

But West Norwood IS in Lambeth

then it is on the right thread

― 600, Thursday, 12 April 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

Argh, Googling the Avery Hill hothouse has got me reading this and now my morning's work has disappeared. I feel a Saturday of exploring coming on.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 12 April 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

i can only really find kingsbury and holders hill missing from NW

― 600, Thursday, 12 April 2007 11:09 (eighteen years ago)

and stonebridge/park

has anyone ever been there? seems like the place you might go to buy carpets wholesale

― 600, Thursday, 12 April 2007 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

That's most of NW London isn't it?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 12 April 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

also, see top of thread for hilarious "tom thinking matt lived in washington" confusion. marvellous, there.

― CarsmileSteve, Thursday, 12 April 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

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