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do you care about what's fashionable? how do you know what's in this season?

actually more generally can anyone recommend a good book on, umm, the theory of fashion? the connection between catwalk shows and what ppl actually wear fascinates me.

toby, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's terrible but all the hippy fashion that is around at the moment is what i have been wanting SO BAD for the last 25 years (i'd get it second hand but oldskool hippies were so bloody THIN!) i shall be wearing "gypsy" "chic" for until my peasant tops and long skirts become threadbare as it's like the ONLY thing i look vaguely good/feel comfortable in. i have spent more money on clothes in the last 3 months than in the last 3 years, odd as normally i hardly spend anything! and i feel crap for buying fashionable stuff as i detest fashion and SHUN it but i'm consoling myself that next season when i'm still in the old broderie anglaise i'll get sneering looks and "that was SOOO last month" comments... can't wait!

katie, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ma thinks I look pretty fruity but in jeans I feel rotten.

Sean, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The answer for me is black black black and maybe RED as I look like RUB in anything else. Chiz chiz. My camel coat apparently suits me though and that is well, camel...

Sarah, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fashion is like heroin. If it didn't exist and you invented it people would wonder why you invented it... the only possible reason being that you can get people to buy the same thing over and over again.

Tim Bateman, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fashion = what other people wear

jamesmichaelward, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fashion? What is that?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Unlike Katie, I am not a big fan of cheesecloth and I'm having a really hard time with that look and the other look which is the tiny top/weird hipsters/Shakira/Britney thing. If I attempt to approximate any of these I end up in black frills which makes me look like a bag person who's been riffling Galliano's bins, instead of like Frida Kahlo with a pair o' tweezers.

My feeling is everyone has a 'timeless' style they identify with and mine tends to be flapper/beatnik/jewel thief/preppie gone bad (Kate the Saint calls it Weimar Lesbian too). This was a good thing LAST year before the hippie deluge down the high street. My editor just buys her 3 outfits for the season in black, wears them almost nonstop for 4 months before binning them, and like all heavy girls makes the larger emotional investment (and financial) on SHOES.

Actually if I had one of those Cacharel skirts and a very small child's army shirt I'd be inside the current fashion without being outside my own.

suzy, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am dead against the current peasant/hippie/anarchosyndicalist thing insofar as it looks like everyone's been watching too much late- period Sex and the City; the hipslung-jean thing I would complain about equally (especially the ones with no rear pockets) if not for the fact that the occasional exposure of the vertical pubis/hipbone muscle-cleft is, okay, sort of tantalizing. (But then hell: I don't want to be tantalized right now.) Chicago fashion is a pit anyway; interchangeable midwestern girls still in pastel capris and tank tops during the day, tight black pants from their sorority days and the shirts du jour at night. Male-wise it is quite possibly worse, this summer's development being three-quarter pant legs that one still gets shit for wearing, even if one has the perfectly-valid excuse of being on a bike. I'm slightly taken by the current rock casting-back to the early-80s UK, with its slim blazers and awkward ties and such, but I'll have to wait until winter to pick up on that one at all. (This is actually one of the "timeless" recurrences that appeals to me, this whole imitation of some sort of penniless student from an early-20th-century European novel.) (Russian, surely.)

nabisco%%, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

...or the young Elvis Costello.

but in answer to Toby's question he should try Subculture: the Meaning of Style. Or watch Unzipped, the mid-90s film about Isaac Mizrahi, which is GENIUS. Or read articles about/interviewing Boudicca, cool theoretical fashion designers. Unlike the Japanese, they are not plagued by fashion artholes being all kissass reverent in conversation and (worse) in print. As a Japanese fashion designer I knew said once, RESPECT KILLS.

I personally think all fashion designers are pretty lazy (unless you count *talking* about how hard they work) and have been waiting to PROVE that kitsch examples of sunday brunchtime hangover technicolour films are what inspire the lot of them. So if 'Freaky Friday' is on I expect to see the Jodie Foster Preadolescent Tomboy look manifest 9 months from then on some idiot's catwalk.

suzy, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(I am still only just working out the flow of influence from "fashion" fashion to fashion on-the-ground.)

nabisco%%, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it goes in reverse, Nitsuh.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe in New York, Tracer: some of us live in the Midwest!

nabisco%%, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Look, I've been writing for a fash mag for nigh-on 10 years and I'd do a headlight freeze if someone asked me what 'directional' meant.

However street informs catwalk and vice-versa. Once caught Anna Sui, Martine Sitbon and ANITA PALLENBERG truffling around Portobello Market one Friday afternoon. It's a place they get ideas from, apparently.

Also, MEN: what will be in fashion is EASY-PEASY to predict for you. Just find out the age of any gay fashion designer you like, figure out what year he was 16 and then find out what evil male queerbashing thugs looked like THAT YEAR, generally speaking. WORK THAT LOOK! If you're gay, you might even pull the designer if you go to the kind of parties I do. I believe this is how the Ironic Mullet/Queensryche T-shirt came into fashion after the Ironic Skinhead/18 hole Docs.

suzy, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

dear suzy, what trousers should a man wear when it is too hot for jeans or black slacks? Sincerely, Sweatylegs in Seattle

anon, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and BTW my previous questions re: seeing early-80s baby-sized pastel side-slit running shorts in vintage shops and thinking "are the hipsters really going to start wearing these things" (we are talking about those tiny 1981 shorts, the two-inch-long ones) has been answered: NO the hipsters are not wearing them, in fact it is the post-sorority pre-Yuppie women who are sporting them.

nabisco%%, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sweatylegs: summerweight thrift-store uniform slacks in your colour of choice, cut as chinos, flat front.

suzy, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dear Suzy, What should you do if partner wants you to dress in matching outfits when you go out? Go along with it because he thinks its cute or tell him that it is very creepy and also sick? Signed, Reluctant Twin

Truculence, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

suzy: thanks for the book suggestion. will check it out.

so what's next in the skinhead/ironic mullet progression, then??

toby, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the hippie clothes very much but I am distressed by the extreme tightness of the shirts most of the stores are selling here. I do not look good in clothes that are very very tight, in fact a large number of the people who wear them do not either. The skirts make me happy though, as I prefer skirts to shorts or pants and the hippie ones are loose and cool and pretty. (And then in the winter I have weird impulses to only wear black and red.)

Maria, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

girls in tight clothes is the look I approve of. In any season, and every year.

Julio Desouza, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Julio you old dog you!

I think I care about looking good but perhaps not what's fashionable, having said that I treat the two as one and the same and TO HELL with anyone else who disagrees. Er actually I just have a vague look and I vaguely stick to it.

Ronan, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i can't avoid knowing whats in, because fashion ads are all over the tele. but since i don't really care whats in, i go for my own tried- and-true look.

di, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am 89 years young!

Julio Desouza, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My feeling is everyone has a 'timeless' style they identify with and mine tends to be flapper/beatnik/jewel thief/preppie gone bad

I suffer from style schizophrenia, fancy dress sense. Where do you want to go today? (maybe I am wrong and those who know me are saying 'But Anna always looks ...').

I love fashion/ style/ clothes and accessories etc. I would never make the mistake of taking it seriously though, that does bad, bad things to people (kiss kiss). But it still makes me happy if people stop me to take a picture of what I'm wearing.

Anna, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dear Truculence: I call this look I'm With Stupid x 2. Avoid!

suzy, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anna had a great hat on last night. I like hats, but don't own any, sadly. I would only look rub anyway, as I do in anything, sadly. I settled on my clothing style years ago, on the basis of how good Marlon Brando looks in The Wild One, reinforced by the Velvets and Ramones. I don't look like any of them. Maybe Marlon Brando twenty years on. All right, forty...

Martin Skidmore, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what IS fashionable amongst boys now then??

I think the whole second hand old skool artschool trainer hipness (very unisex) is OVER its heights now?

girls will be boys boys will be girls tra la la lalala

erik, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Angela McRobbie can also be gd on the 'theory' of fashion.

Andrew L, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Angela McRobbie did a book on this a couple of years ago which I have at home, so do not remember title. Grrr. Nice lady though, I was on some feminist panel at the ICA with her once.

suzy, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I decided that I was going to start dressing like the extras in The Prisoner Television series - stripy navy/white top, with big CAPE and COLOURED UMBROLLY, but whereas my housemates say I will look stupid, I think I would look good. I figure that maybe the f$%^ing beggars around town will stop bothering me as well if I dress like that as they do not seem to hassle people who look like extras from The Prisoner Television series... Tips, Advice etc?!?$

Steve.n., Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This winter I just wear dark blue jeans, white singlet/red sleeveless tee-shirt/black bonds tee-shirt, black leather jacket and black scarf - with some sort of long-sleeved top in case it's too cold.

Dunno what I'm going to do in summer unless I lose weight so I can fit into the skirts and dresses in my wardrobe. Shorts look yuck on me and jeans are too hot.

toraneko, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i've just spent ages desperately searching for pictures of the nappy style shorts that men must now wear because prada says so... did anyone else see these? (shown at milan a couple weeks ago)

minna, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Forget those nappy style shorts! PAMPAHS is where it's at!

Steve.n., Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
i just bought this black dress for an upcoming wedding . . .
http://anntaylorloft.com/atlLMProductPage.process?RestartFlow=t&Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=38&Product_Id=30701

what should i accessorize it with?

kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

Cute! I just got a dress there too for my upcoming trip to Virginia to see family, but apparently, despite being full price, it's not good enough for ATL's website, the bastards.

Anyway, you should definitely go with a bulky bracelt or multiple bracelets.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Kelsey, that's gorgeous! Applause!

I have no accessory tips, though. Black shoes and handbag should do it.

happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

i was thinking a chunky necklace or maybe tiny multiple strands?
maybe some dangley earring?
a wrap of some kind?

i am not so fashionably inclined.

in fact, my co-worker found that dress online FOR ME, telling me it would probably look good. i just have no clue about things.

kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Accessorizing depends on what you're into personally. That dress could work with virtually anything you wanted to accessorize it with. Sarah's chunky bracelet suggestion is a good idea. What is your hair g oing to look like? How do you feel about earrings? Are you ok with the kind of chandeliery style that is around today or not? If you go with chunky jewelery you don't want to wear both necklace AND earrings AND bracelet with that dress. If you go with delicate jewelery you could wear all three (like say silver hoop earrings, silver neckace with some kind of smaller pendant or silver multiple strand dealy, thin silver bangle bracelets).

Shoes I guess depends on the rest of the accessories. If you go delicate route get a tiny handbag and strappy sandals. Not as good with picking if you go the chunkier route because I have never personally done that with a dress like that--maybe wedge style sandals?? It's difficult to say.

Allyzay do not obtain to make download of yours MP3 (allyzay), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

can i just have the fashion sense of your pinkie finger? i'll be much better off!

kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

Is it gonna get cold? You could do a wrappy thing or a little cardigan thing. My advice: Keep it simple and understated, as is the dress. Put on some make-up and don't worry too much about accessorizing. The dress is already classic-looking, you don't need to add much to it, besides a pair of shoes you like and a bag.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

i must say a giant thank you for all the help!

kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

I wish someone would pick my clothes for me.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

The dress is already classic-looking, you don't need to add much to it, besides a pair of shoes you like and a bag.

Yay! I agree. Those straps are pretty wide, and will already frame your neck nicely. I think any kind of necklace might distract from the you-ness of you.

happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

(Also, I'm bitter toward jewelery. So much of it is soooo bad. I see girls all the time wearing these necklaces and bracelets that look like cat litter strung together with dental floss. IT'S NOT A FRICKIN' CRAFTS PROJECT, you hippie!)

happy fun ball (kenan), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Im working at the GLAAD media awards this weekend as a celebrity handler and I have like NO clothes to wear. Possiblity of looking like a douche: EXTREMELY HIGH.

Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

i must admit i am leaning toward seeing how a slightly chunky, close-to-my-neck-necklace will look. otherwise, i think i'll go the simple route.

kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

surely you have access to gay-man fashion help bill?!

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

thats a commonly held misconception

Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

i'd steer clear of accessories, as mary advises. with that dress, i'd take a large bag with an interesting, colorful-but-not-garish pattern and wear black wedge sandals.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

I think a single strand of faux pearls or a diamante necklace or choker would look fab with that dress.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

I saw an ad for this new hip-hop streetwear kind of jacket thing colorful geometric patterns that look very North African. Any idea what I saw? I tried to remember the name, but now I've lost it.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 1 September 2007 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

Speaking of fashion, I see that 5 years ago ILE threads could still be titled with just one word. Making a slight bow toward the actual subject, a think of fashion in two senses.

Firstly, I tend to think of fashion as a kind of immoral racket that tries to manipulate people into buying idiotic items of clothing and accessories. In this sense of the word, fashion is something I despise.

Secondly, in its 'purer' form, I think of fashion as an individual's ability to harmonize their clothing and appearance with their personal aesthetic sense. In this second sense of the word, fashion seems rather admirable. Sadly, my fashion sense is pretty rudimentary. I keep everything simple to the point of simple-mindedness, because I can't be arsed to do the work it would take to find or assemble anything beyond the rudimentary.

Aimless, Saturday, 1 September 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

I am in the midst of doing the same
I don't really get the concept of 'what's in this season' and all that horseshit then again being a man I'm not really subject to it, just starting to dress myself like a grownup is vaulting me in the 90th percentile of male fashionforwardness.

I tend to think of fashion as a kind of immoral racket that tries to manipulate people into buying idiotic items of clothing and accessories
It's easy to be cynical about it (especially the crazy purse hysteria - wtf) but I appreciate that aside from the hype there's always some degree of passion and artistic impetus pushing the fashion industry forward the same as there is in music or whatever. It's not my thing but it doesn't bother me.

tremendoid, Saturday, 1 September 2007 20:15 (eighteen years ago)

I love fashion. the more I pay attention the more I find myself trying to anticipate.. what is the vibe & where is it going, and what does it mean when certain styles catch on.

like this season i got all the fall fashion mags and it's this buttoned up, formal 40's suit thing for a lot of it, when i saw the runway pix i didn't know what to think really.. and instead i'm really drawn to balenciaga which looks v on the money to me

http://www.style.com/slideshows/fashionshows/F2007RTW/BALENCIA/RUNWAY/00070m.jpg

i really want a fitted preppy jacket but don't know where to find a good one

daria-g, Sunday, 2 September 2007 03:49 (eighteen years ago)

That's one of the things I don't understand about fashion: the desire to fit oneself to some external standard of dress that is preset by some fashion designer who dictates "what to wear this season".

The people who really seem to succeed in dressing well seem to me to be following their own vision of what fits together, not fitting themselves into some predigested fashion, like some mannequin. Those folowers of fashion trends might look good, but they don't really fill their clothes soehow.

Aimless, Sunday, 2 September 2007 04:43 (eighteen years ago)

haha i've been catching up on sartorialist since i last posted, i think i could be in denial(it's my wife who catches every episode of What Not to Wear...I just happen to be in the room at the same time...watching) . To your point, I like it cos he places emphasis on the grace and confidence, sense of fun, bearing etc. that manifests itself in a striking 'presentation' rather than the concept of buying the 'correct' stuff and slapping on a great 'look'.

tremendoid, Sunday, 2 September 2007 06:11 (eighteen years ago)

Aimless, but then you have to be knowledgeable about fashion to know whether they are slaves or doing their so-called own thing. Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with following fashion, per se, unless you're one of those Russian minxes who don't mix'n' match but just take the whole runway ensemble and put that on. It smacks of "look at my wallet" and a lack of originality, I think. It seems a bit sad, in a way. They think (and say) they're above us lot because they think that's the way it should be done.

Deep down I'm a sucker for fashion, although most of the time I fail miserably at being "hip" or actually achieving the look I want. I know what my "thing" is, namely lots of brown/blacks/... Casual chic if you can combine those two words. I definitely prefer, say, Prada (duh!) and Marc Jacobs over frilly Anna Sui or DKNY. In fact if my wallet was bulging, I'd probably be wearing most of those two designers. (Hah! But I would mix'n' match!)

Once caught Anna Sui, Martine Sitbon and ANITA PALLENBERG truffling around Portobello Market one Friday afternoon. It's a place they get ideas from, apparently.

haha Hey, Suzy, I think that Imogen Edwards something or other, who wrote Fashion Babylon, took that tidbit and spun it into a chapter. Yes, apparently, they go to Rellick (sp?) and Arkive (again, sp?) and steal their ideas from there. It was quite funny when she mentioned that some designers go to KingsRoad to buy lace. If she based that on factual info, I actually know the seller! For a split second I felt like you, Suzy. ;-)

These are the shoes that I "am feeling" (and apparently so have tons of other people as it seems to be selling like hot buttered cupcakes at Net-a-porter):

http://www.net-a-porter.com/intl/images/product/26107/large/index.jpg

More or less what I would want to look like:

http://www.net-a-porter.com/intl/images/product/26114/large/fr.jpg

stevienixed, Sunday, 2 September 2007 07:59 (eighteen years ago)

(Well, with an attached head of course!)

stevienixed, Sunday, 2 September 2007 07:59 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, btw, speaking of fashion online: I have rediscovered Net-A-Porter. Grebt site to drool over. Not so much a fan of Style.com although that place seems to be the place if you want to know what's up. *shrug* I don't know, I don't much like to navigate the sight, it seems a bit... *jungly*.

stevienixed, Sunday, 2 September 2007 08:02 (eighteen years ago)

the desire to fit oneself to some external standard of dress that is preset by some fashion designer who dictates "what to wear this season".

i don't look on it that way. how to explain? people change! so whatever kind of vibe i'm sensing.. well.. i believe in change so i like to look a little different every year. i pay attention to what fashion's doing and pick out things that seem to suit me. or sometimes dig stuff out of my closet of vintage finds or get things at thrifts/ebay that seems like they work now and look modern.. i mean, i love vintage because you can get well made and unique things for not much money, but i don't want to look vintage, i don't like retro. you know? I have more than a few of those secretary tie neck blouses and they're pretty common these days so it doesn't look like it's an 80's thrift find for $1.50 (my fave is!) but in the 90's nobody would've been caught dead in it.

(i guess most days i end up wearing navy blue with black though!)

daria-g, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 01:51 (eighteen years ago)

eleven years pass...

https://poshmark.com/closet/kaiyabear

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:46 (six years ago)

five years pass...

Apparently women wearing baseball caps pulled down is a thing ?

calstars, Saturday, 13 April 2024 20:58 (one year ago)

nine months pass...

This extremely oversized winter coat trend is funny af

calstars, Monday, 20 January 2025 18:31 (seven months ago)


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