philip k dick C/D, S+D

My faves: 'A Scanner Darkly' (captures the paranoid mindset of the heavy drug user better than any 'straight' nov), 'The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch' (terrifying in places), 'Ubik' (his wildest and most exciting bk), 'Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said', 'A Maze of Death', 'Martian Timeslip', 'Time out of Joint', 'Valis', 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep', and prob. the last volume of his collected short stories. Lawrence Sutin's biog is useful and open- minded, too.

There are quite a few dud Dicks, and some bks that only half-work, but it's gd to discover them for yrself (as kind of like a 'control' measure for the 'real' PKD). 'The Man in the High Castle' is his most 'respectable' bk - well-written, a clever idea - but for me it lacks the wild, visionary flavour of his best writing.

Best American author of the Twentieth Century? No; I'd go for Faulkner but would accept arguments for Fitzgerald or Dos Passos as valid.

PKD update! I Hope I Shall Arrive Soon - first collection of PKD short stories I've read & fairly much living up to all the accolades attributed to them etc etc etc. The Transmigration Of Timothy Archer - latter Dick & very, very affecting to me - completely¹ unSF meditations on death, with random touches of the pre-Socratics, the sort of heretical-Christian fragments Beckett was so fond of, & the least irritating wranglings of Dante & Goethe I've seen in a long time. & his San Francisco rings true, to boot.
& just stayed up last night to read through Clans of the Alphane Moon (& something I'm glad I approached after becoming acquanting with PKD etc) - alternately hilarious &, er, provocative (=> heh my current mental state=the book). Grebt ideas & the like (when I clicked to the Clan names), + Lord Running Clam is possibly the bestest PKD character ever!

& what did people think about PKD's "Valis" experience being probably the "climax" (etc) of Linklater's "Waking Life"? If anything else much better than the Crumb interpretation (thanx to duane).

¹this is untrue, obv.

(haha re : my earlier comments (obv?))

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i wonder if the film version will make the ending less ambiguous.

i could imagine that one working out much more easily than ASD.

Nice enough story about PKD and his influence, based around interviews with his daughter Ilsa. Talks about the Blade Runner rerelease, the Giamatti biopic etc.

Nice piece - Giammatti thing sounds interesting. No mention of the Bill Pullman pseudo-biopic...?

There was also a piece in the New Yorker recently although I didn't trust it (anything that claims that VALIS is his masterpiece is suspect in my view.)

it is!

See!

Sci-fi crank 'em out one after another Dick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kooky am I crazy or not religious-o Dick.

hey, I read Vulcan's Hammer and Cosmic Puppet and Doctor Futurity this year: I'll take the kooky nutbag over the typewriter-monkey responsible for those three

i love UBIK b/c its best-of-both-dicks

I think the final trilogy of VALIS, Divine Invasion, and Transmigration of Timothy Archer are tops, and the ones I keep rereading all these years. They're the things that got me into philosophy in the first place, and that's not too bad a place to start.

Haha the mind fucking boggles at the idea of people whose start in "philosophy" is the Transmigration of Timothy Archer.

Naming three of the weakest books he wrote in that period, doesn't change the fact that almost everything else he wrote then is leagues more interesting than The Divine Invasion or VALIS.

To be honest, I exempt the Pike "bio" because it is pretty unquestionably the best non-sci fi book he wrote. But compared to Dr. Bloodmoney, UBIK, The Martian Time-Slip, Now Wait For Last Year, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, The Three Stigmata of Palmet Eldritch it's no contest at all.

perhaps I'm stupid or liquored up or both, but VALIS presented me w. some provocative ideas that had never occurred to me before -- or at least a new and interesting formulation/articulation of paranoid gnosticism that i'd never previously considered.

Naming three of the weakest books he wrote in that period, doesn't change the fact that almost everything else he wrote then is leagues more interesting than The Divine Invasion or VALIS.

it isn't just those three that drove me nuts. i mean, i adore time-slip, stigmata, ubik, transmigration, even eye in the sky... which i'd hardly call sci-fi crank 'em out! they're - i imagine you agree with me - pretty thoughtful books.

what i'm getting at is that i don't feel like this is an either/or proposition. one isn't definitionally pro-VALIS and anti crank 'em out. i like both, and enough to have read +/- 80% of pkd's novels. that i prefer strangely-executed drug-addled mystical fantasy to high-concept space-time wackiness doesn't devalue my opinion or stance on the matter.

Placing a large(r) emphasis on late and kooky x-tian Dick basically = being more interested in placing Dick in a certain continuum of metaphysical fiction writers rather than as just another, more talented and profilic than most admittedly, sci-fi writer. It's telling to me that a most people I've talk to, met, or read who loved loved loved those last three tend to be largely uninterested in other sci-fi writers or the history of science-fiction, but instead are interested in viewing Dick as being some sort of unique genius who somehow trancends the limitations of his chosen genre. That's ignorant at best and downright insulting at worst. And yes it is a viewpoint which is NOT at all trustworthy to me.

alex thats TOTALLY unfair

and not really confronting remy's point which is that its totally possible to love both the gnostic trilogy and the rest of dicks oeuvre

tolerance for wiggy reality-melting divine-invasion fiction is gonna be the deciding factor

I'm not sure really, but I know she really likes Blade Runner so maybe Android is the best start.

UBIK or Flow My Tears. otm about Timothy Archer being atypically low-key. Karl i'd recommend it only if you've read The Divine Invasion, which is somehow even wilder than VALIS and makes Timothy Archer seem even more straightforward. even though it's an unintended trilogy, I think it works- there are hints of mysticism/gnosticism in Timothy Archer that are explicit throughout the other two books. but its strongest suit is the voice: Ursula K. LeGuin criticized PKD's lack of well developed female characters, and he wrote Timothy Archer from the POV of a woman, and imo did a surprisingly good job.

as far as Scanner Darkly setting the bar high... I mean, that's bound to happen if you start with any of the books mentioned. like I wouldn't recommend Eye in the Sky (even though I love it) first over Flow My Tears.

Flow My Tears just has a classic, simple setup (famous person wakes up and no one knows who he is), and its peculiarity unfolds more gradually than other of the later works. like the whole first bit with the girl he's following around the city is paced very strangely, and then how it all ends up with the incest thing and the woman in bondage, and then she's a skeleton? that shit rules

I recall I was just constantly wtfing and pausing for mental breath reading Three Stigmata.

I just mean that Ubik still has a somewhat unpolished and pulpy style to the writing (though it’s funny and fast-paced). It doesn’t bother me, but A Scanner Darkly stands apart in terms of his writing imo, and going from that to something like Three Stigmata (which I love) might be startling.

Xp yeah Three Stigmata has like 15 insane plot twists in the last 50 pages I think.

you've definitely gotta be primed for Three Stigmata, that was maybe the 10th novel of his that I read and honestly I missed a lot, and knowing its reputation, was let down when I finished it. I really need to revisit it. agree that UBIK is pulpy but it's probably the best work of that period of his writing.

I read “Faith of Our Fathers” recently. All-time line - “And I will tell you this: there are things worse than I. But you won't meet them because by then I will have killed you.”

Dr. Bloodmoney for total insanity

I read Martian Time-Slip today, not quite out there like most of his work but man I can't stop loving his books.

yea i wasn't keen on that one either, a lot of people like it

Electric dreams: Autofac was pretty good. Janelle Monae as a customer service bot!

I would not start with UBIK but with the short stories.

This is madness

Just started Skull. Hurrah

PKD's widow Tessa has a youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/busby777/

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Philip K. Dick, The Germs’ manager Nicole Panter, author KW Jeter, and artist Gary Panter at Philip K. Dick’s Santa Ana condo. Note poster of Fat Freddy of Freak Bros fame.

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Paul Mavrides tells an amazing story about how he was ghost-drawing a Fat Freddy poster for Shelton just when "I Hope I Shall Arrive Soon" (which hinges on such a poster, and the possibility it's a forgery (in a forged reality)) appeared in Playboy.

Whole thread is worth reading, but got to go now.

Whole Twitter thread, that is (this one too o course)

Poster is the 'Keed Spills' Freddy anti-speed warning, appropriately/ironically.

PDK seems to have been speed-dependent, to an extent, during extended bouts of writing---for reasons of inspiration, obsession, and/or financial desperation---think he acknowledged it in intro to at least one of his books (A Scanner Darkly, maybe?), and it may well have shortened his life---as William Burroughs observed, there were some old junkies, hardly any old speed freaks.

I think nearly every major work was written in a speed haze or post-74 theophany (tho he still used speed, like that speech in France 1977)

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Electrical cabinet is inaccurate in that PKD moved to Fullerton in 1972 and wrote most of A Scanner Darkly there in 1973 and kept rewriting it through the VALIS pink beam of light years in Fullerton. It was published in 1977 after PKD moved to 408 Civic Center Dr., #301, Santa Ana in 1976. The building is still there - it's about four blocks east of where this photo was taken.

Tim Powers used to live at the corner of Main & 16th, just a few blocks N of here.

I have a copy of 'Humpy Dumpty in Oakland' that I found in one of those tiny library things... I find it enjoyable, but I also enjoy putting it to rest. Maybe I'll finish it one day... zero science fiction, it's about used cars and a record label in the East Bay

I often thought about starting a poll for PKD's non-SF books but I think I'm the only one here that's read them all?

would you consider 'Timothy Archer' to be non-SF?

it's been a while, but no, I consider it part of the Valis trilogy?

(I realize you were asking Elvis there)

I read them all decades ago, The Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike and The Broken Bubble of Thisbe Holt were the best ones from what I recall. I wish novels with titles like that still got published. Some early efforts finally got published too but I don't think I need to trawl through them at this point in my life tbh.

I've read maybe half his non SF books. Looking at a list of them now, the one I enjoyed the most is definitely Confessions of a Crap Artist. I weirdly read The Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike in French because I happened to find it for really cheap back in some discount book store back when it was way out of print in English, I remember enjoying that one quite a bit. In Milton Lumkey Territory made an impression on me I guess because I still remember quite a bit about it, that whole relationship dynamic between the main character and his former grade school teacher/wife was very interesting. I own and have read Puttering About in a Small Land, Humpty Dumpty in Oakland and Voices from the Street but don't really remember that much about them.

I would consider The Transmigration of Timothy Archer to be non-SF even if it is part of the Valis trilogy. And I guess I would put that one up there with his best books.

hey, I been through all of our PKD threads lookin for the PKD book title generator that someone posted years back - can't find it anywhere - google no help - any ideas? thanking you kindly

I would consider The Transmigration of Timothy Archer to be non-SF even if it is part of the Valis trilogy. And I guess I would put that one up there with his best books.

yeah, agreed. Some of his writing can seem slipshod and pulpy, but this book really felt like he had reached some new plateau.. and much better female characters than earlier books

ty for that correction, elvis. i walk past that building at 408 civic center literally every day. it's right across from a church that has definitely been there for a while.

tangential, but here's some wet cement graffiti i found in the same neighborhood:
https://imgur.com/a/083gRxR

yes, i live in the area. can see the water tower from my window. lmk if you want me to investigate more irl pkd lore. it's a rad neighborhood.

Finally got around to reading Ubik.

pretty good read imo!

Seems to be the ILX consensus pick

Now I need to finish up Flow My Tears. Wonder which one I should read after that.

I decided that The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch was my favorite PKD book, though it's been decades since I read it.

That's also on my list. Feel like I've read it before but have no recollection.

I've started re-reading Ubik, probably for the third or fourth time (remember pre-internet, when you were bored and you would just reread books you already read?), though for the first time in 25 years at least. Only a couple of chapters in, so far holding up very well, I'm still very much into this dysfunctional future world. As has been pointed out before I am sure, a lot of this seems very relevant in the current AI age.

Ubik, Palmer Eldritch, and Dr Bloodmoney. My 3 picks

Interesting to me that if you look at the results here,
What is the finest Philip K. Dick Novel?, UBIK was the clear winner with other obvious ones near the top, but if I read longer lists and posts by individuals, pretty much every PKD book seems to be on somebody's short list.

Martian Time-Slip is another good one from the period between The Man in the High Castle and The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch.

yeah, I remember Martian Time-Slip being one of my favourites, I might re-read that one next

i keep having an urge to reread 'radio free albemuth'.

― j., Sunday, November 20, 2011 12:48 AM (fourteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

That's next on my re-reading list too, as I remember not a single thing about it. Deus Irae to follow.

― ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: (Matt #2), Sunday, November 20, 2011 1:06 AM (fourteen years ago)

lol still haven't got around to it!

Thought of DEUS IRAE whilst reading UBIK, since Joe Chip hears The Requiem in the Beloved Brethren Moratorium, which libretto has those words, I believe.

PKD talks a lot about UBIK in THE EXEGESIS, both the book and the general concept of Ubik.

That's one PKD tome I've always made sure to avoid (Exegesis not UBIK)

Heh, I bought a cheap copy and search through it from time to time, but don't think I could try to read it beginning to end.

Seems like I read that the Estate was not too pleased with Lethem putting that together/Library of America putting it out, but they must have authorized it (maybe felt pressured/maybe they needed the money, like PKD always did). I won't likely read it either---well may skim if come across it----