Theory vs Object

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In Modern Art is an idea enough ? Does the aesthic consdieration of the object matter ? Are we children of Duchamp ?

― anthony, Sunday, 5 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I hate Post Modernism. I want *clear* answers*. We are children of the revolution!

― nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But modernism was never clear. The cannoical modern artists used as much theory, pastiche, etc. as Post Modernism. Pounds translations becoming Pounds Poems. Or Manzettis poems using cut-ups before WSB. Or the dadaists. Modernism was always chaotic and murky and about ideas.

― anthony, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually, I was mainly talking about their approach to God. So about art? I don't think it matters. The idea is enough. I think what matters most in art is *confrontation*.

― nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

whaat is aart, let alone what is modenism..how do we separate object/subject? What is the question/answer...piss in a urinal, let me know.

― Geoff, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think that is what i am asking. A guy in Cleavend where a 1963 Duchamp Repo is held was pissed in by an art student.

― anthony, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the guy was pissed in? and it gets called art? fuck ....

― Geoff, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

People = the ultimate readymades

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Surely the world=ultimate readymade

Which of course would cast Piero Manzoni in the role of God. How cool is that?

― jamesmichaelward, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nine months pass...

Because god cans our shit? Is that what we look foreward to in the afterlife, Pooland supercrapmarket, did you remember the can opener?

― Parker, Monday, 3 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Duchamp would have loved the guy pissing in the readymade, don't you think? Has no-one ever done that before? Did the art student say why he did it? Was his piss intended as hommage or contempt for Duchamp?

― fritz, Monday, 3 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

eno says he did: some japanese guy did it at tate modern when it opened => BUT DID ANYONE ACTUALLY DO IT or are they all just saying it (and which is best as art)?

― mark s, Monday, 3 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

anyway it ain't a readymade anymore cuz they broke it (or lost it) and had to replace it with a specially made identical one-off!!

― mark s, Monday, 3 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Specially remade copies of readymades is even better, I think. Did they fake the fake signature too?

Duchamp, after all, declared when the Large Glass was broken in transit that the cracks were now part of the work. I think he'd approve of confusing matters further.

And we can't be clear about Postmodern art, since the arguably central idea of Postmodernism is the lack of privileged narratives. A clear, true summary of what Postmodern art is, let alone art as a whole, is therefore impossible. Hurrah!

― Martin Skidmore, Monday, 3 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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