Influence (ATTN MARK S)

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i wrote a poem tonight and Dan Irons said it sounded like i was listening to Momus COming in a Girls Mouth, the tone was different but the influence was clear. Is this a good thing?

― anthony, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't know what influence means anthony... d'you mean it resembles momus or it does the stuff you think he fails to do? if ppl like momus they will like yr poem? if ppl like hitler they will like yr poem? is it an hommage or a fite? a referential demolition or an antithetical completion?

― mark s, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Esp for Mark S: in·flu·ence Pronunciation Key (nfl-ns) n. 1. A power affecting a person, thing, or course of events, especially one that operates without any direct or apparent effort: relaxed under the influence of the music; the influence of television on modern life. 2. Power to sway or affect based on prestige, wealth, ability, or position: used her parent's influence to get the job. 3. a. A person who exerts influence: My parents considered my friend to be a bad influence on me. b. An effect or change produced by influence. 4. a. A determining factor believed by some to affect individual tendencies and characteristics understood to be caused by the positions of the stars and planets at the time of one's birth. b. Factors believed to be caused by the changing positions of the stars and planets in relation to their positions at the time of one's birth.
Overrated? Sure. Misunderstood? Sure. BUT STILL PREVALENT! heheh

― nathalie, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can not be influenced. But I do go in for copying and ripping off :)

Where's the poem anthony?

― jel --, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

4b i can get with obv

― mark s, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Famously, Cliff Richard was influenced by punk rock in that he went into the studio and made an LP ("I'm No Hero"?) quickly and relatively cheaply, in an attempt to capture some of the energy he heard and appreciated in punk. It doesn't sound like punk rock (though no doubt it is part of the "string of brilliant Cliff records" you were describing to me the other day, Mark?) and it's not clear that Cliff was doing something he thought punk should have but wasn't doing. But 'influence' seems a good word to use in this context. To me.

In this model, Anthony, Momus is punk and you are Cliff Richard. By any other sensible measure it's the other way round, of course.

― Tim, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't obv. I resist your influence. heh

― nath @ woik, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

cliff

it's as if

you really were

― Queen G of the pinched nerve in her neck, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can post the poem, its just NSFW.
The thing is that everything one reads or listens to infects your thoughts.
I did not mean to write a poem like momus sings, but i did, mostly by listenign to him.

― anthony, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think what I meant by influence in this particular instance is only that I recognized a certain unusual theme that I thought would probably only emerge in one's poetry after having heard Coming in a Girl's Mouth. It's a good poem, too.

― Dan I., Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

eighteen years pass...

https://4columns.org/dayal-geeta/wagnerism

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 24 September 2020 21:08 (five years ago)

i know!

― mark s, Thursday, 24 September 2020 21:58 (five years ago)

Actually this was the thread I was looking for to place this link:

the pernicious and silly term "influence"

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 24 September 2020 22:09 (five years ago)

two years pass...

"To build on this, Frederick R. Karl writes in his essay “The Faulknerian Presence in Contemporary American Fiction” about the “presence” of Faulkner (rather than the “influence”) in post-war US novelists. “Presence suggests an element which remains: it is both influence and residue, and it cannot be blunted or blocked. It is like a factor in the blood, or a cell marking; it is there.” A “presence” will carry the watermark of the bewitching reversibility of reading and writing much better than influence—most everyone is influenced by Joyce, but a select few contain his “presence.” Not surprisingly, Karl finds that “presence” of Faulkner in many of the Black Humorists (Gaddis, Gass, Barth, Coover, McElroy), plus Flannery O'Connor, Eudora Welty, Walker Percy, and Guy Davenport, where language is lacquered with more adipose for greater savoring, yet not in Bellow, Roth, Styron, Mailer, Morrison, Updike, and certainly not Carver (recall Carver's one-time mentor John Gardener [no Faulkner presence in there, I believe] giving him this advice: “Read all the Faulkner you can get your hands on, and then read all of Hemingway to clean the Faulkner out of your system.”)"

https://www.clereviewofbooks.com/home/faulkners-ghost-american-novel

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 27 October 2022 20:38 (three years ago)

two weeks pass...

exists cf Pierrot aka Ferdidand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUaaTM4PlX4

― youn, Monday, 14 November 2022 06:58 (three years ago)

One difference might be that Godard favored a Technicolor blue not present in the video above.
The countryside in Pierrot Le Fou is also amazing and beautiful. I think there are scenes like this in Vagabond, but I can't remember them very well and am not even sure it is the film I'm thinking of.
Also, the houses and furnishings in Pierrot Le Fou seem like they were done with an unlimited budget.

― youn, Monday, 14 November 2022 14:35 (three years ago)

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