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Michael Bracewell has written his book THE NINETIES: WHEN SURFACE WAS DEPTH and despite a glaring warning sign (i.e it is called THE NINETIES: WHEN SURFACE WITH DEPTH) I have bought it because I liked England Is Mine even when it was very wrong. This one though looks more slapdash - a pasted-together collection of journalism - and has one bad mistake in the first 30 pages (misquoting and totally changing the meaning of the lyrics to "Wannabe"). Has anyone else read it? Does anyone else plan to?

Tom, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He mis-spelled my name ('Curry') in 'England is Mine', but I forgive him and will probably read this new one. I still think his first novel 'The Crypto-Amnesia Club' is his best piece of writing, though. Along with the short story 'Missing Margate'. They're so 80s, they're surely ready to be chic again.

Momus, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

should I have heard of either of these books, or this Mr Bracewell?

DV, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hi, Vicar.

Interesting thread. I look forward to more of this. Where's Teresa Tzara when you need her?

the pinefox, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What say y'all to Bracewell's novels? I liked that recent one (the name escapes me) which was 150 pages about some guy's day at work.

misterjones, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, Pinefox!

Teresa Tzara, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hi, Teresa.

My advice to you is to stop faffing around and sniping subversively from the edges: bite the bullet and actually come and work at Melody Maker.

Whaddya mean it's folded??

the pinefox, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought he'd retired and started coaching?

chris, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

bite the bullet and actually come and work at Melody Maker

Is the world ready for a 1992 revival?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not till I've finished my 1991 revival, in about 5 years' time.

the pinefox, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ten months pass...
dunno if this thread didn't take off cause no-one cares all that much about michael bracewell or if it just kind of got forgotten,but i just read england is mine and found it very interesting

i didn't agree with some of his angles and so on,but he is very good at drawing links between people and ideas,and giving some idea of a particular "atmosphere" or "feeling" for want of better words
i wasn't alive for the vast majority of the time covered by the book,so it could be full of wild generalisations,but i suppose it is a personal interpretation of pop as much as anything else

it seems like the type of book a lot of people on ilx would like to write,even if they may not actually like this specific book,so i'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion of it

robin (robin), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

of course,i may well just have missed a 974 post taking sides vice magazine's indie guilt vs michael bracewell's class part 7,but i did a search and didn't see much else

also,tom,how was that nineties book?

robin (robin), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I got to page fifty or so of When Surface Was Depth and said "screw it." Horribly slapdash, a bunch of journo pieces fitted together w/"a thesis" I can neither make out nor care to. (something about how the '90s were, cough cough, "the cappuccino decade." and here comes Bracewell to provide the froth, right?)

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

did you read england is mine?
if so,what did you make of that?

robin (robin), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I have not, nothing I saw in the new one compels me to try, either. is that wrong?

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

well as i said above,i certainly found it interesting,although not being familiar with all the stuff he talks about (or being familiar enough with the history of british pop culture to know what he leaves out) i can't really make a judgement i'd be confident enough in to recommend it fully
the reason i asked was because if you had read and liked england is mine and then disliked the nineties one it would reflect badly on the latter,but since i liked england is mine,if you had not liked that either then your opinion on it would be of less consequence to me,if you see what i mean

robin (robin), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

jesus that's a convoluted,badly phrased post
oh well

robin (robin), Tuesday, 3 June 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

EiM is better than tN

It has been discussed before. I'll try and point you to the spot.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Favourite Pieces Of Music Writing

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

cool,cheers pinefox,i'll have a look now

robin (robin), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

ten months pass...
Revive-uh:

Above all else there are some really excellent idosyncratic turns of phrase in 'England is Mine'. Description of Major Tom as 'Reggie Perrin at the ass-end of space' is my favourite thing this week.

I enjoy it more as an amusing tour of reference points than a verbatim account of the Truth, but I don't remember violently disagreeing with much of it all the same, possibly through not having studied many of the non-postpunk subjects in much detail. Which bits are Very Wrong?

ferg (Ferg), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Pensacola, Florida

Skottie, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I've only read "England Is Mine." I vaguely remember liking it for it for giving me some background flava, but its lack of successful conventional structure ultimately left me unsatisfied.

If Bracewell hadn't been so chummy with Morrissey -- often writes about Morrissey and is also the husband of Morrissey's best friend, Linder -- I probably wouldn't have bothered reading "England Is Mine."

However, one memorable thing I liked was Bracewell's reference to a joke about "dark, satanic chip shops."

melinda mess-injure, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
I just got England is Mine in the mail--couldn't find it anywhere in the states--very excited. I read the '90s book in galley form before I knew of the Bracewell-Linder-Moz connection and was not very impressed--picked up the book again a few weeks ago and found it an enjoyable read, hmm . . .

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It's interesting that Reynolds/Morley are kind of the patron saints around here, and not Bracewell, hence this thread is sort of stalling a lot -- my theory is that the subtitle to 'EIM' ('... from Oscar Wilde to Goldie') rooted it too much in its time (or not even that, it was published post-'Mother').

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to read more Morley--I can't really find his books here either.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

He's only done three, Ask (c. 1985, interviews, totally unavailable here too, though abebooks.co.uk is good), Nothing (2000, Faber, so shd be get-able), and Words and Music (2003, Bloomsbury, ditto). So the stuff that made him a legend (ie early 80s NME stuff) is inaccessible. Here he is also a somewhat subversive presence as a TV pundit, occasional DJ, etc. rocksbackpages threaten to put more of his early stuff on their site.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I read half of Nothing--I didn't really like it.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, yeah, perhaps he's not v 'long-form'!!

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

How can you read half of Nothing?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick OTM; it's a bloody magnificent book. I read the whole thing recently in three days. Why, Mary, didst thou not like it? It may be a tempermental thing, but I find it a book I couldn't comfortably put down, 'til I'd finished.

Bracewell ought to be recognised; "England is Mine" is a fine book, though not sure about its manner of ending. Just sort of petered out, without much of the conclusion or end-piece.

Tom May (Tom May), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry - I actually only read about three pages of Nothing. I was just making a 'maths joke'.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing bored me to tears . . . I am enjoying EIM very much though.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

IMO W&M is for shit too, but Morley is a legend nonetheless.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought England Is Mine read like a collection of very good, smallish ideas strapped together pretty clumsily. some of the sections - especially those on Edwardian 'Arcady', the brave new consumerist world of immediate post-war Britain, suburbia, and the Teutonic glamour of London new romanticism - were fantastic and provocative. but the jumps from one to another, and the tendency to make huge sweeping generalisations without any argument or evidence, made the whole book fairly frustrating.

from what i've heard, The Nineties sounds like it follows the pattern above only moreso, so I've avoided it.

pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

We sure are repeating ourselves on this thread. But that's OK. Good, even.

It is funny how Morley has taken over the Bracewell thread!

But let me repeat myself: EIM I am vey fond of: it's stimulating. 90s is not in the same class, really. Nothing is magnificent, though unlike Mr May I took several weeks rather than 3 days to read it. W&M is up and down and celebrates too much music I don't like.

I am deeply fond of both writers, even when or where I actually don't like what they've written or said.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

She was complete in that room, surrounded by her souvenirs and her relics, the epiphenomena of a life: the fluffy toys won for her by some former boyfriend at a coastal fair years ago, the strata of cosmetics (above the washstand) that dated back to the original Body Shop and then, finally, the bottom line - the row of twenty pairs of shoes, spread out like a crescendo on a creased piece of music. The spoils of a thousand shopping trips, the evidence of a thousand rainy afternoons in bad-tempered shops. From the plimsolls rebelliously worn to school, to the court shoes worn once to a friend's wedding, to the scuffed and despised work shoes, to the final sad lustre of the catalogue bridal slippers - white shells in a rockpool of tissue paper. Her fiancé was marrying a collection of shoes, scorched by hot pavements and frozen by bus stop sleet.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
Has anyone read Saint Rachel? It's queer!

Did anyone see him on an epic Newsnight Review confrontation last Friday night?

'What it reminded me of was the golden age of incomprehensibel postmodernism...'

the bellefox, Thursday, 2 September 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...
I have never got to the end of the book I started this thread about.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

The book in the link though looks like a must buy.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

I worried for a second that that book was going to 'queer' the 'pitch' for my 'cultural biography of New Towns' proposal.

When is Bracewell's 'Roxyism' coming out? It is almost as much delayed as Marcello's book.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

that sounds enticing!

N_RQ, Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

both, i mean: roxy *and* teh new towns.

N_RQ, Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Tangentially, I was in the guest list queue for Arcade Fire at the Astoria on Monday, and there were two kids in front of me arguing about whether they had spotted a Scissor Sister. They couldn't decide between them, so one of them poked the tall guy in front of them and said "Dad, is that the bloke out of Scissor Sisters over there?". 'Dad' turned round and it was... Bryan Ferry. He looked gorgeous.

The only info I can find on 'Roxyism' has it coming out September 2004.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

wow, that dude who broke into the house of commons was in line with you?!

N_RQ, Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

I think it was a younger Ferry boy.

Here it says 'Roxyism' has been put back to 2007! This will come as no surpise to people who have worked with Mr Bracewell.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

cf penman's 'projected' ferry biog...

N_RQ, Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

ayo

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

well then?

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 1 March 2008 12:09 (seventeen years ago)

Anyone else read Re-make/Re-model, the Roxy book? I liked it, mostly. If anyone went in blindly expecting a biog of Roxy, they'd be disappointed, but as a study of the art schools (Newcastle, esp - you learn a lot about Richard Hamilton), total-style-as-meaning, Pop Art -> pop, Aesthetic revival, &c (all as regards England, 60-73), the lesser-known figures in the Roxy circle and Ferry as self-created art work, it's very good (not that I know enough about this stuff to have a balancing view.)
Agree with patchiness of England is Mine; likes the right stuff as far as I'm concerned, nice writing, but a bit all over the place. Re-make feels more coherent at least.

woofwoofwoof, Saturday, 1 March 2008 12:45 (seventeen years ago)

Reading the Roxy now. I don't have much confidence that he knows much about the music side of things. Bracewell claims--twice--that the Beatles marked the end of the beat boom!

A lot of stuff in the Newcastle section I already knew, but I got an art history degree there and my mother lived in the same street as Ferry at the time so maybe I'm not the typical reader. I'm about to get into the Eno/Mackay section.

Raw Patrick, Monday, 3 March 2008 08:58 (seventeen years ago)

two weeks pass...

read england is mine, felt i'd sort-of read it before but maybe not, and it's terrible!! but very influential, or at least familiar-seeming. some of the connection-making is desperate stuff, and the writing is often really, really bad.

I enjoy it more as an amusing tour of reference points than a verbatim account of the Truth, but I don't remember violently disagreeing with much of it all the same, possibly through not having studied many of the non-postpunk subjects in much detail. Which bits are Very Wrong?

-- ferg (Ferg), Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:06 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

yeah... i think if i'd read it a few years ago (ten years ago) i'd have liked it more because it might have directed me to new stuff.

i think he's basically wring about englishness, the concept of 'arcadia', pop music, popular culture before the 1950s, the highbrows he cites (auden, waugh), kitchen sink cinema, and powell and pressburger.

banriquit, Thursday, 20 March 2008 00:15 (seventeen years ago)

Must finish Roxy book.

Raw Patrick, Thursday, 20 March 2008 00:17 (seventeen years ago)

still wanna read that... wonder if he's doing a second volume: isn't it just up to 1972?

banriquit, Thursday, 20 March 2008 00:19 (seventeen years ago)

thirteen years pass...

Bracewell is back.

https://www.whiterabbitbooks.co.uk/titles/michael-bracewell-2/souvenir/9781474622318/

the pinefox, Thursday, 2 September 2021 14:18 (four years ago)

three years pass...

Just read The Conclave and then Unfinished Business - enjoyed both a great deal (although I think The Conclave runs out of puff a bit 2/3 through).

Somehow felt very "seen" to use the disgusting contemporary term - maybe it is just reading a book that examines middle-aged, middle class suburban masculinity thru an unsparing but not wholly unsympathetic lens.

The recent book in particular is beautifully written. I am a bit surprised nobody made more of a fuss about it, but maybe it isn't what people wanted to make a fuss about in 2023. I suppose in the UK he is perhaps just part of the cultural background noise?

Previous form with Bracewell = Roxy book (loved), Perfect Tense (loved), England is Mine (patchy but many good bits), Souvenir (weirdly elusive but some sections incredibly evocative). Tried to read The Crypto-Amnesia Club once but moved it swiftly to the charity shop pile.

Cognosc in Tyrol (emsworth), Wednesday, 23 July 2025 06:50 (six months ago)


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